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As titled... I squeezed my Alky meth kit tank and pump into my driver side bumper plus my massive trans cooler. I run the cooler with NO trans T-stat. 100 degrees down here daily now.

***I used a aftermarket washer fluid tank for My alky kit to preserve my oem washer fluid tank. Not pretty but its hidden and been working just fine for over a year now.

Quote from: StinkinLinkin13 on June 09, 2020, 11:06:53 AM
As titled... I squeezed my Alky meth kit tank and pump into my driver side bumper plus my massive trans cooler. I run the cooler with NO trans T-stat. 100 degrees down here daily now.

***I used a aftermarket washer fluid tank for My alky kit to preserve my oem washer fluid tank. Not pretty but its hidden and been working just fine for over a year now.

Nice! Any issues getting the bumper cover to go back on clean?

I had to trim a little around the fog light housing, relocate horns slightly and zip tie that module as seen (bracket was already broken cuz of minor fender bender). That's about it. I think I could have avoided trimming had I located the tank level gauge differently. Live and learn.

What kind of cooler?

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Is that a Tru Cool?

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Quote from: 802SHO on June 13, 2020, 05:26:07 PM
Is that a Tru Cool?

Yes. Largest I could find. I forget the model number. Its for an RV supposedly. 😂

Quote from: StinkinLinkin13 on June 13, 2020, 08:06:01 PM

Quote from: 802SHO on June 13, 2020, 05:26:07 PM
Is that a Tru Cool?

Yes. Largest I could find. I forget the model number. Its for an RV supposedly.

This one?  (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200614/7ff76f5bbf2c8483a609896a5ee8e749.jpg)

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What kind of trans temps are you seeing?  You didn't add a trans temp to the aux cooler is that what you're saying?  I had to reread what you said, at first I thought you were saying you were seeing 100° down here like now your trans temp was down to 100° not the weather...but you meant the weather.

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Quote from: 802SHO on June 14, 2020, 06:50:09 AM
What kind of trans temps are you seeing?  You didn't add a trans temp to the aux cooler is that what you're saying?  I had to reread what you said, at first I thought you were saying you were seeing 100° down here like now your trans temp was down to 100° not the weather...but you meant the weather.

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Yes. Its available cheaper on ebay. Couldn't find it on amazon where I got it from. Part number LPD47391. There is a model that includes a t stat but I did not opt for that one.

To clarify I remove my OEM transmission t-stat from the housing. I hate how late it opens especially on wot runs. I had temps skyrocket in the past to dangerously high levels. Why I went this route with the cooler instead of the PP model. Granted it probably is overkill but I do run hard and open her up fairly often.

Last time I checked my trans temps I was running approx 160° DD and would spike to approx 180° pushing it hard. (130+ mph high way runs in Mexico). Then recover back to 160ish pretty quickly.

Quote from: StinkinLinkin13 on June 14, 2020, 11:11:13 AM

Quote from: 802SHO on June 14, 2020, 06:50:09 AM
What kind of trans temps are you seeing?  You didn't add a trans temp to the aux cooler is that what you're saying?  I had to reread what you said, at first I thought you were saying you were seeing 100° down here like now your trans temp was down to 100° not the weather...but you meant the weather.

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Yes. Its available cheaper on ebay. Couldn't find it on amazon where I got it from. Part number LPD47391. There is a model that includes a t stat but I did not opt for that one.

To clarify I remove my OEM transmission t-stat from the housing. I hate how late it opens especially on wot runs. I had temps skyrocket in the past to dangerously high levels. Why I went this route with the cooler instead of the PP model. Granted it probably is overkill but I do run hard and open her up fairly often.

Last time I checked my trans temps I was running approx 160° DD and would spike to approx 180° pushing it hard. (130+ mph high way runs in Mexico). Then recover back to 160ish pretty quickly.

How long does it take to reach operating temps without a stat?

Where exactly is the trans T - stat located?

I'm not sure... Never really timed how long it takes. I can check and get back to you.

Its just right of the transmission. Aluminum block with both lines connected. Underneath the air box.

Pics of my "cooler" t-stat I believe found on PP models. Its only opens about 10°-15° cooler than standard I believe. I planned on using this one during our brootal 2 month winter but haven't really found it necessary.

So you just put in a PP trans T-Stat from what I am reading?

Decided I needed to upgrade my trans cooler also. My temps are making me uncomfortable on long freeway drives. I am averaging right at 216 to 218 at a sustained 85 mph.

I will be removing my stock PP trans cooler and I am going to try and stuff this cooler between the condenser and the crash bar. If I have to notch the crash bar, so be it. I will try to mount it as low as I can so that I can keep as much air flow on the other components behind it. 4 times the surface area, more capacity, and $66 dollars shipped my house, worth a try.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004XONRYK/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I run no trans t-stat at all. I bought the PP version tstat thinking I'd run too cool in the winter but it didn't turn out to be much of a problem at all. 
It took me about ten minutes to get to 100° this morning. That's as is with no t-stat and this trans cooler it likes to sit at 160. It will spike to about 180ish after some very spirited driving then recover back to about 160. I've driven over 500 miles on a hundred plus degree day and 160° is where it like to sit. I did have some concern that temps would gradually raise but it never became an issue.

Just to attempt to clarify. When I say I run no t stat I physically remove the t-stat from the aluminum block held in place by that snap ring in the picture. The aluminum block is still used. Then I blocked off the port (where the tstat used to sit) in between the lines with a bolt so there's no crossover.

I included a pic of the cooler installed on my old car so you can see how well it's sits and gets fresh air. Best pic I had.

Quote from: StinkinLinkin13 on June 15, 2020, 01:17:40 PM
I run no trans t-stat at all. I bought the PP version tstat thinking I'd run too cool in the winter but it didn't turn out to be much of a problem at all. 
It took me about ten minutes to get to 100° this morning. That's as is with no t-stat and this trans cooler it likes to sit at 160. It will spike to about 180ish after some very spirited driving then recover back to about 160. I've driven over 500 miles on a hundred plus degree day and 160° is where it like to sit. I did have some concern that temps would gradually raise but it never became an issue.

Just to attempt to clarify. When I say I run no t stat I physically remove the t-stat from the aluminum block held in place by that snap ring in the picture. The aluminum block is still used. Then I blocked off the port (where the tstat used to sit) in between the lines with a bolt so there's no crossover.

I included a pic of the cooler installed on my old car so you can see how well it's sits and gets fresh air. Best pic I had.

This is exactly what I was looking for.  I will install that big cooler this weekend. Hopefully I can replicate your trans temps.  That would be really nice.

***Edited for bad trans temp pid used***

I just did 2 back to back pulls to about 100mph just to test. Temp went up to 162° (estimated adjustment) and leveled off... Started inching back down. Hope it works out for you. Save your tstat just in case you want to use it in winter...

Quote from: StinkinLinkin13 on June 15, 2020, 02:07:02 PM
I just did 2 back to back pulls to about 100mph just to test. Temp went up to 122° and leveled off... Started inching back down. Hope it works out for you. Save your tstat just in case you want to use it in winter...

I will yank that block off and take it to my local speed shop and just get some AN connectors and adapt the lines together. That will allow me to make it a plug and play system if I have to put the t stat back in.

Quote from: StinkinLinkin13 on June 15, 2020, 01:17:40 PM
I run no trans t-stat at all. I bought the PP version tstat thinking I'd run too cool in the winter but it didn't turn out to be much of a problem at all. 
It took me about ten minutes to get to 100° this morning. That's as is with no t-stat and this trans cooler it likes to sit at 160. It will spike to about 180ish after some very spirited driving then recover back to about 160. I've driven over 500 miles on a hundred plus degree day and 160° is where it like to sit. I did have some concern that temps would gradually raise but it never became an issue.

Just to attempt to clarify. When I say I run no t stat I physically remove the t-stat from the aluminum block held in place by that snap ring in the picture. The aluminum block is still used. Then I blocked off the port (where the tstat used to sit) in between the lines with a bolt so there's no crossover.

I included a pic of the cooler installed on my old car so you can see how well it's sits and gets fresh air. Best pic I had.

I remember something about minimum temps for efficiency and lube. I think you're right in the ballpark.

From my understanding of Trans fluid, the ideal or recommended temp is around 175-215ish. Under that the fluid is losing viscosity and becomes thick, above those temps you start cooking it. So having super low trans temps isn't ideal to keep your trans happy, the fluid can't lubricate properly if it is closer to pudding than liquid.

Edit: Unless you're changing the trans fluid to match your trans cooler, then you can disregard this post.

Quote from: GotGrip? on June 16, 2020, 12:27:47 PM
From my understanding of Trans fluid, the ideal or recommended temp is around 175-215ish. Under that the fluid is losing viscosity and becomes thick, above those temps you start cooking it. So having super low trans temps isn't ideal to keep your trans happy, the fluid can't lubricate properly if it is closer to pudding than liquid.

Edit: Unless you're changing the trans fluid to match your trans cooler, then you can disregard this post.

I think I will add the cooler and leave the T stat in first.  I will drive it to see what happens.  If it keeps the trans under 200 at 85 - 90 mph sustained I would call it a win. 

Yes sir. Experiment a little to see what works best for you. I did the same.

I needed to correct my temps from yesterday because figured they were too low... I double checked my pids on torque pro and must have entered something incorrectly. Using the Torque supplied Ford Trans Temp pid I ran the same test. The difference is its quite a bit cooler today.... a chilly 73° and raining. My temp after two brisk pulls raised to 140° in about 5 minutes drive time (basically around the block / 3 miles). As you would expect it will take longer to get up to operating temp without the tstat. But It beats the 286+° spikes I had with my 2013 MKS on WOT highway runs. Also it doesn't help that mercon LV is known for breaking down pretty quickly. Personally I'm comfortable with the 160-180 range on our setups. Especially being the lead foot that I am. Also note that it should also help with our condenser temps a little.

Keep in mind my cooler also has about 2 times the area as the PP version.

Quote from: StinkinLinkin13 on June 16, 2020, 01:48:11 PM
Yes sir. Experiment a little to see what works best for you. I did the same.

I needed to correct my temps from yesterday because figured they were too low... I double checked my pids on torque pro and must have entered something incorrectly. Using the Torque supplied Ford Trans Temp pid I ran the same test. The difference is its quite a bit cooler today.... a chilly 73° and raining. My temp after two brisk pulls raised to 140° in about 5 minutes drive time (basically around the block / 3 miles). As you would expect it will take longer to get up to operating temp without the tstat. But It beats the 286+° spikes I had with my 2013 MKS on WOT highway runs. Also it doesn't help that mercon LV is known for breaking down pretty quickly. Personally I'm comfortable with the 160-180 range on our setups. Especially being the lead foot that I am. Also note that it should also help with our condenser temps a little.

Keep in mind my cooler also has about 2 times the area as the PP version.

286 spikes!!!!! Holy crap! I can see where you are a lot happier with the 160 to 180 range.  Wow.  I will try and get that cooler (it was delivered today) installed this weekend and see where the temps hang out in the 110 degree heat here.   

My 2018 post that started it all... Initially I thought it was a tune issue. It ended up being my trans running way too hot. This was on my 13 MKS. It addition it also did relieve the harsh shifting/bucking issues... So this is the setup I've been running ever since. My theory is that most people having harsh shift issues thinking it was the tune were also just having high temp /pressure issues. Just my theory.

https://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php?topic=9234.0

Hopefully you replaced the fluid after those spikes, would suck to have done all that work putting a cooler in just to be running cooked fluid.

Quote from: GotGrip? on June 16, 2020, 04:45:13 PM
Hopefully you replaced the fluid after those spikes, would suck to have done all that work putting a cooler in just to be running cooked fluid.

Yes sir. Surprisingly the fluid wasn't as bad as I expected but it was fresh fluid already. When I added the cooler I changed the fluid again.

Would have been  interesting to  get a Blackstone  report on the old fluid just to see what they find.

Quote from: 6500rpm on June 16, 2020, 06:14:31 PM
Would have been  interesting to  get a Blackstone  report on the old fluid just to see what they find.

Yea. That would have been interesting to say the least.

Also torque gauges from todays drive... Was picking on a new Type R civic when i took this screenshot... Almost felt bad for him.

Quote from: SM105K on June 16, 2020, 03:13:58 PM

Quote from: StinkinLinkin13 on June 16, 2020, 01:48:11 PM
Yes sir. Experiment a little to see what works best for you. I did the same.

I needed to correct my temps from yesterday because figured they were too low... I double checked my pids on torque pro and must have entered something incorrectly. Using the Torque supplied Ford Trans Temp pid I ran the same test. The difference is its quite a bit cooler today.... a chilly 73° and raining. My temp after two brisk pulls raised to 140° in about 5 minutes drive time (basically around the block / 3 miles). As you would expect it will take longer to get up to operating temp without the tstat. But It beats the 286+° spikes I had with my 2013 MKS on WOT highway runs. Also it doesn't help that mercon LV is known for breaking down pretty quickly. Personally I'm comfortable with the 160-180 range on our setups. Especially being the lead foot that I am. Also note that it should also help with our condenser temps a little.

Keep in mind my cooler also has about 2 times the area as the PP version.

286 spikes!!!!! Holy crap! I can see where you are a lot happier with the 160 to 180 range.  Wow.  I will try and get that cooler (it was delivered today) installed this weekend and see where the temps hang out in the 110 degree heat here.

How did the t-stat cooler experiment ever work out for you? What route did you take?

Quote from: StinkinLinkin13 on August 29, 2020, 11:06:22 AM

Quote from: SM105K on June 16, 2020, 03:13:58 PM

Quote from: StinkinLinkin13 on June 16, 2020, 01:48:11 PM
Yes sir. Experiment a little to see what works best for you. I did the same.

I needed to correct my temps from yesterday because figured they were too low... I double checked my pids on torque pro and must have entered something incorrectly. Using the Torque supplied Ford Trans Temp pid I ran the same test. The difference is its quite a bit cooler today.... a chilly 73° and raining. My temp after two brisk pulls raised to 140° in about 5 minutes drive time (basically around the block / 3 miles). As you would expect it will take longer to get up to operating temp without the tstat. But It beats the 286+° spikes I had with my 2013 MKS on WOT highway runs. Also it doesn't help that mercon LV is known for breaking down pretty quickly. Personally I'm comfortable with the 160-180 range on our setups. Especially being the lead foot that I am. Also note that it should also help with our condenser temps a little.

Keep in mind my cooler also has about 2 times the area as the PP version.

286 spikes!!!!! Holy crap! I can see where you are a lot happier with the 160 to 180 range.  Wow.  I will try and get that cooler (it was delivered today) installed this weekend and see where the temps hang out in the 110 degree heat here.

How did the t-stat cooler experiment ever work out for you? What route did you take?

So the cooler that I bought was much smaller than advertised. However I still removed the stock PP cooler and added the Derale. I have had two trips through the desert and the new cooler has dropped my fluid temps 20 degrees. I was seeing 217 to 220 degree at sustained 85 mph plus in 100 to 105 degree ambient range. With the new cooler it holds right at 200 with ambient temps in the 115 range. I left the trans t-stat in. New cooler works alot better.