As some may know, I sold my SHO a few days ago. Here is my new 2015 "Perfect Blue" Chevy SS with 415hp, 6-speed manual, magnetic ride, 3.70 gear, sun roof, full sized spare (an actual spare forged rim w/ summer tire)
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I think your car is absolutely gorgeous, congratulations!
How much was it? Incentives?
In my 30+ years of driving, Fords products (primarily Mustangs) have made up most of my cars. That said, the Chevy SS is (stock for stock) faster than an SHO if driven properly. But for me, it lacks one crucial item for single car ownership in the Northeast ...
AWD.
Have fun with your car, let us know how you like it, and post up some vids. :)
I truely love the car and especially the color,best of luck with the new ride and CONGRATS. Z
Quote from: 14 TUX BL on July 16, 2015, 10:40:26 AM
I think your car is absolutely gorgeous, congratulations!
How much was it? Incentives?
In my 30+ years of driving, Fords products (primarily Mustangs) have made up most of my cars. That said, the Chevy SS is (stock for stock) faster than an SHO if driven properly. But for me, it lacks one crucial item for single car ownership in the Northeast ...
AWD.
Have fun with your car, let us know how you like it, and post up some vids. :)
I concur about the AWD, but I was sick of having the winter dictate the cars I buy. I said F**K it, this car is cool and I'm buying it. My last four cars have all been turbocharged and although I LOVE turbos, I really wanted an N/A V8 powered muscle car with some utility. This thing sounds soooooooo good...and it's pretty rare as it's difficult to find one with the 6-speed manual.
The incentive was 72 months at 0% financing plus I had a lot of GM points from my credit card.
I'll post more picks and videos when I get a chance.
Nice car! I would potentially be driving one as well if it weren't for Snow! :)
Well at least you picked the right color to pay homage to the SHO :P Congrats on the new ride, one of the few to get one, hope to get some engine bay pics and vids of sound & drag times soon!!!
Quote from: SHO-Time on July 16, 2015, 10:52:15 AM
Quote from: 14 TUX BL on July 16, 2015, 10:40:26 AM
I think your car is absolutely gorgeous, congratulations!
How much was it? Incentives?
In my 30+ years of driving, Fords products (primarily Mustangs) have made up most of my cars. That said, the Chevy SS is (stock for stock) faster than an SHO if driven properly. But for me, it lacks one crucial item for single car ownership in the Northeast ...
AWD.
Have fun with your car, let us know how you like it, and post up some vids. :)
I concur about the AWD, but I was sick of having the winter dictate the cars I buy. I said F**K it, this car is cool and I'm buying it. My last four cars have all been turbocharged and although I LOVE turbos, I really wanted an N/A V8 powered muscle car with some utility. This thing sounds soooooooo good...and it's pretty rare as it's difficult to find one with the 6-speed manual.
The incentive was 72 months at 0% financing plus I had a lot of GM points from my credit card.
I'll post more picks and videos when I get a chance.
Can't complain with 0% there!!!! CONGRATS!!!! How does the exhaust sound from the factory? I hope a little mean!!! That blue is BEAUTIFUL!
The SS stock sounds like a C6 Corvette that has an aftermarket exhaust already installed. It's very throaty on acceleration, yet fairly quite on the interior and it cackles and pops on deceleration.
Very nice. Even more rare than SHO, can't say I've ever seen one in the wild. Probably only popular in the south. I also don't see many 300/Charger SRT8 sedans in Colorado.
If you want 4 doors + V8 + AWD, you have very limited choices. Anything, other than a couple expensive SUVs? Dodge dropped the Charger R/T AWD for 2015. Infiniti has their Q70 and Mercedes.
Quote from: PokerMunkee on July 16, 2015, 11:39:09 AM
Very nice. Even more rare than SHO, can't say I've ever seen one in the wild. Probably only popular in the south. I also don't see many 300/Charger SRT8 sedans in Colorado.
If you want 4 doors + V8 + AWD, you have very limited choices. Anything, other than a couple expensive SUVs? Dodge dropped the Charger R/T AWD for 2015. Infiniti has their Q70 and Mercedes.
Yeah, maybe an SRT8 Jeep is one of the few choices
Thats a sharp looking car! Makes me miss my charger srt8. Lets see the sound clip and engine pictures of it. A rare find for sure.
How does it compare to the size of your SHO?
Quote from: JagerBomb on July 16, 2015, 12:07:17 PM
Thats a sharp looking car! Makes me miss my charger srt8. Lets see the sound clip and engine pictures of it. A rare find for sure.
How does it compare to the size of your SHO?
Length wise, they're both virtually the same. The SS is a few inches lower and slightly thinner then the SHO. Weight wise, the SS tips the scale at 3,970 lbs. The dashboard in the SS is closer to the windshield so with my driver's seat all the way back, an adult 6ft person can still fit very comfortably in the backseat. One of the pluses and minuses of the SS is that it has perfect 50/50 balance, however the trade off is the rear seats do not fold down...only the center portion does.
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Power wise, it feels faster than my tuned non-PP SHO, however we all know how a dig race from stoplight-to-stoplight would play out. The manual SSs have been running better times then the autos in 1/4 and there is a guy on youtube that ran a 12.8 in a bone stock 6-speed manual with mediocre 60 ft times. I received a "free" GoPro with my purchase, so me and my brother-inlaw will do some runs between his tuned PP with intake & downpipes vs. my stock SS!!
Free GoPro > Free XBox :D
A GoPro video of the modified SHO vs the stock SS would be awesome. It should be pretty close, I bet!
It looks great. I defiantly like it and since it looks like you can share parts with the yellow jacket in the garage.
What GoPro are they giving away? The one just before the new super small one came out just recently?
That 50/50 weight distribution is awesome! I would like to see a modified SHO vs a stock SS I would be curious how it plays out. Have to make sure I don't embarrass myself out on the roads here when I see one. LOL.
That yellow C6 Z51 Vette is actually my mother-inlaw's LOL! Her winter car is a Trailblazer SS ;)
I'm actually not sure which GoPro it is...I'm still waiting for it. The dealership had a max value of $129.00 on it, so I'm sure it's a 1st or 2nd gen GoPro.
I'll take an SS in white w/ a sunroof please.............don't need AWD in Texas!!
The TBSS is a nice winter ride in place of a corvette. Its about as close to one as you can have when you have bad weather.
I would take the Jeep SRT over the TBSS. ;D
Really nice ride there for sure! I just couldn't swing paying the asking price for the SS but I do like the car a LOT. It just makes me miss my TBSS that I traded in for the SHO. I DO NOT miss the piss poor mileage though... :)
Enjoy the new ride!
Quote from: r1crusher on July 16, 2015, 04:13:53 PM
Really nice ride there for sure! I just couldn't swing paying the asking price for the SS but I do like the car a LOT. It just makes me miss my TBSS that I traded in for the SHO. I DO NOT miss the piss poor mileage though... :)
Enjoy the new ride!
I do a lot of highway commuting and the mileage not toooo far off of the SHO. That being said, I haven't really tested the mileage cause I've had my foot into the gas quite a bit recently. I told many dealers to go F themselves with their pricing. It took a little while to find one that was willing to deal.
I bet you cant wait to race your brother-in -law now,sweet, Z
Quote from: ZSHO on July 16, 2015, 04:53:41 PM
I bet you cant wait to race your brother-in -law now,sweet, Z
Indeed! I'm still getting used to the car, but we'll be posting some race vids soon enough :)
Beautiful cars for sure, debated getting the wife one, them we had our worst winter in over a decade. Enjoy the ride, now get outta here with that Chevy lol
Some more pics
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That interior is super nice. Chevy did a really nice job on the interior. I really like the color. It reminds me of the S10 I had in electric blue.
Great looking ride man!
Be sure to keep us up to date even though it's not ecoboosted.
Rich
Interesting test result comparisons (Car & Driver) ...
CHEVY SS
PRICE AS TESTED: $47,640 (2015)
ENGINE: pushrod 16-valve V-8, aluminum block and heads, port fuel injection
Displacement: 376 cu in, 6162 cc
Power: 415 hp @ 5900 rpm
Torque: 415 lb-ft @ 4600 rpm
Wheelbase: 114.8 in
Length: 195.5 in
Width: 74.7 in
Height: 57.9 in
Curb weight: 3970 lb
MANUAL
0-60 mph: 4.6 sec
0-100 mph: 10.7 sec
0-150 mph: 31.1 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 5.3 sec
¼-mile: 13.0 sec @ 111 mph
Top speed (C/D est): 160 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 159 ft
Roadholding: 0.97 g
EPA city/highway: 15/21 mpg
C/D observed: 15 mpg
AUTO
0-60 mph: 4.5 sec
0-100 mph: 10.5 sec
0-150 mph: 28.6 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 5.1 sec
¼-mile: 12.9 sec @ 111 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 160 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 153 ft
Roadholding: 0.95 g
EPA city/highway driving: 14/21 mpg
C/D observed: 17 mpg
SHO
PRICE AS TESTED: $46,380 (2013)
ENGINE TYPE: twin-turbocharged and intercooled DOHC 24-valve V-6, aluminum block and heads, direct fuel injection
Displacement: 213 cu in, 3496 cc
Power: 365 hp @ 5500 rpm
Torque: 350 lb-ft @ 1500 rpm
TRANSMISSION: 6-speed automatic with manual shifting mode
Wheelbase: 112.9 in
Length: 202.9 in
Width: 76.2 in
Height: 60.7 in
Curb weight: 4358 lb
0-60 mph: 5.2 sec
0-100 mph: 13.0 sec
0-140 mph: 32.3 sec
Rolling Start, 5-60 mph: 5.6 sec
¼-mile: 13.8 sec @ 102 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 141 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 168 ft
Roadholding: 0.86 g
EPA city/highway: 17/25 mpg
C/D observed: 16 mpg
What's also interesting is the 6-speed manual does not get hit with the $1,300.00 gas guzzler tax like the auto does, however C&D got worse gas mileage in the manual. The manual offers a "skip shift" feature that improves mileage by a 1-2 mpgs. There are guys running sub 13 sec 1/4s with the manuals but it's all within margin of error.
Is the SS loaded up? HIDs, LEDs, remote start, heated steering wheel, cooled seats, etc?
Quote from: PokerMunkee on July 24, 2015, 11:01:56 AM
Is the SS loaded up? HIDs, LEDs, remote start, heated steering wheel, cooled seats, etc?
It has;
- HIDs and LEDS
- Heated & Ventilated front seats
- Color Heads-up Display
- Interactive Infotainment system
- Bose sound system
- Dual climate control
- Self parking (both parallel and normal parking)
It does not have;
- Heated steering wheel
- Remote start (mine's manual...the autos have remote start)
- Heated rear seats
- 60/40 fold down seats (only the center section fold down)
- Foot well lighting
Quote from: SHO-Time on July 16, 2015, 10:22:58 AM
As some may know, I sold my SHO a few days ago. Here is my new 2015 "Perfect Blue" Chevy SS with 415hp, 6-speed manual, magnetic ride, 3.70 gear, sun roof, full sized spare (an actual spare forged rim w/ summer tire)
Hey Mike -- wanna race ? ? ? ? ? ? ;)
Make sure you install a camera in the dash so you can see the backend of my SHO LOL
but really.... wanna hit up great lakes with me and by buddies?
Quote from: 14SHOCAR on July 24, 2015, 11:43:55 AM
Quote from: SHO-Time on July 16, 2015, 10:22:58 AM
As some may know, I sold my SHO a few days ago. Here is my new 2015 "Perfect Blue" Chevy SS with 415hp, 6-speed manual, magnetic ride, 3.70 gear, sun roof, full sized spare (an actual spare forged rim w/ summer tire)
Hey Mike -- wanna race ? ? ? ? ? ? ;)
Make sure you install a camera in the dash so you can see the backend of my SHO LOL
but really.... wanna hit up great lakes with me and by buddies?
Sure...and I'm still waiting for the friggin dealership to send me my GoPro. Actually, I'm starting to get a little pissed off about it . I have my intake and catchcan arriving today.
I sure do like these. I skipped over them, because their price was unnegotiable, and...ahem...GM.
Awesome cars though. Really, more what I was looking for. More of a sports car appeal, instead of the sport lux sedan, like the SHO.
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Heres a quick video of the stock exhaust on start up. If someone could help me embed the video, that would be cool.
http://youtu.be/jQDK_0Vbl3g (http://youtu.be/jQDK_0Vbl3g)
That blue was my first choice prior to buying my sho,overall the sho is very limited in many aspects,its almost similiar to finding a six speeed as you did,best of luck to you cause might be taking a simiiar route as you did. Z
Quote from: ZSHO on July 24, 2015, 07:33:04 PM
That blue was my first choice prior to buying my sho,overall the sho is very limited in many aspects,its almost similiar to finding a six speeed as you did,best of luck to you cause might be taking a simiiar route as you did. Z
Thanks Z. It's a good time to be an automotive enthusiast. There's a ton of fast cars to choose from almost any manufacturer.
Just installed my new Rotofab cold air intake
BEFORE:
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AFTER:
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That looks GREAT! How long to install?
Looks sweet!
Thanks fellas. It took me 25-30 mins for the install. Pretty straight forward. I wanted to make sure everything was sealed and tightened. The RotoFab intake is a really nice quality piece and definitely produces a throaty sound.
Am I the only one begging for another sound clip :D
YOUR A VERY LUCKY man i love these for sure.. My only reason i havent bought one is they are slower than the SHO at colorado's altitude.
CONGRATS sounds great and one of the best intakes i think
That is one quality piece for sure,would of been great if it was a stock option,giving the engine compartment more aggressive appeal to it,also like how the battery is on the other side giving it more flexibility and playing room. Z
+1 for a new sound clip!
Mike, I'd love to do a video of your car if you are up for it.
Quote from: 14SHOCAR on July 28, 2015, 12:02:11 PM
+1 for a new sound clip!
Mike, I'd love to do a video of your car if you are up for it.
No problem. There's a car show today at the Hardees off of hwy 83 (starts around 4:30pm-ish) in Delafield and of course there's cars and coffee this upcoming Sunday in Lake mills.
Quote from: PokerMunkee on July 16, 2015, 11:39:09 AM
Very nice. Even more rare than SHO, can't say I've ever seen one in the wild. Probably only popular in the south. I also don't see many 300/Charger SRT8 sedans in Colorado.
If you want 4 doors + V8 + AWD, you have very limited choices. Anything, other than a couple expensive SUVs? Dodge dropped the Charger R/T AWD for 2015. Infiniti has their Q70 and Mercedes.
Anything on team Germany.
Installed my Elite Engineering catch can today. Very nice high quality piece with easy straight forward install. For the most part all catch cans are the same so if anyone in interested Elite's website is listed below;
www.eliteengineeringusa.com (http://www.eliteengineeringusa.com)
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Bad ass car. I would have a Chev SS in my driveway if it wasn't for the much higher price tag on a gently used one. Btw, I'll take a RWD car with proper snow tires over an AWD with all seasons any day of the week.
RWD, V8, two things I knew I'd miss from my Marauder, and I do.
The takeoff CTS-V/ZL1 superchargers go on that car nicely.... :)
Quote from: Vortech347 on September 11, 2015, 10:37:47 AM
Bad ass car. I would have a Chev SS in my driveway if it wasn't for the much higher price tag on a gently used one. Btw, I'll take a RWD car with proper snow tires over an AWD with all seasons any day of the week.
RWD, V8, two things I knew I'd miss from my Marauder, and I do.
Im not sure if your tuned or not but a tune from either LME or Torrie could influence your view and aspect somewhat. Z
Awesome looking car. However, why would you need a catch can on a NA car? there isn't enough blow by that the PCV system wouldn't suffice. Could have saved a little $ IMO.
Any amount of oil vapors will lower effective octane so if u pushing to the max and running max timing then u want to avoid the vapors...
I run no catch can on my coyote 5.0 that I twin turboed and everyone is surprised...I monitored my knock when tuning with pump gas...that's the beauty of knock sensors...if they hear it they will retard.
Catch cans are kind of insurance that octane won't be lowered due to oil vapors...among helping carbon issues in the intake
Quote from: ZSHO on September 11, 2015, 11:01:40 AM
Im not sure if your tuned or not but a tune from either LME or Torrie could influence your view and aspect somewhat. Z
It wouldn't. No tune can bring that beautiful V8 rumble out of the tale pipes, nor turn off the AWD. (now that would kick ass if it was select-able) As much as yes, a tune is great. Those SS's are doing 12's out of the box with fantastic mph. Manual trans too is awesome on them.
Quote from: Vortech347 on September 12, 2015, 12:00:56 AM
Quote from: ZSHO on September 11, 2015, 11:01:40 AM
Im not sure if your tuned or not but a tune from either LME or Torrie could influence your view and aspect somewhat. Z
It wouldn't. No tune can bring that beautiful V8 rumble out of the tale pipes, nor turn off the AWD. (now that would kick ass if it was select-able) As much as yes, a tune is great. Those SS's are doing 12's out of the box with fantastic mph. Manual trans too is awesome on them.
True that the ecoboost exhaust sounds like poop...but those ss cars will barely crack 12's and I mean barely...I've seen them at the track run mid 13's all day...
Pretty much every tuned sho will walk that thing from a dig and top end...the ss will run pretty much what the 04'-06' GTO and the G 8's did which was mid 13's
Quote from: ajpturbo on September 12, 2015, 01:26:00 PM
Quote from: Vortech347 on September 12, 2015, 12:00:56 AM
Quote from: ZSHO on September 11, 2015, 11:01:40 AM
Im not sure if your tuned or not but a tune from either LME or Torrie could influence your view and aspect somewhat. Z
It wouldn't. No tune can bring that beautiful V8 rumble out of the tale pipes, nor turn off the AWD. (now that would kick ass if it was select-able) As much as yes, a tune is great. Those SS's are doing 12's out of the box with fantastic mph. Manual trans too is awesome on them.
True that the ecoboost exhaust sounds like poop...but those ss cars will barely crack 12's and I mean barely...I've seen them at the track run mid 13's all day...
Pretty much every tuned sho will walk that thing from a dig and top end...the ss will run pretty much what the 04'-06' GTO and the G 8's did which was mid 13's
Agree entirely... I do miss the sound of a big block 8 on straight pipes... But times do change, and I've eaten a few of them from a stoplight even though the sound I made was the six.... As far as shifting... Many pros and cons, but with the smaller engines, for most people, the car can shift itself better than I can. Plus as I get older and stoplights proliferate I grew tired of all the shifting and holding down the extra peddle at the lights. Other than overcoming the initial inertia of the wheels/tires spinning is fun, but doesn't move the car faster.
Good luck with it...
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Quote from: Vortech347 on September 11, 2015, 10:37:47 AM
... I'll take a RWD car with proper snow tires over an AWD with all seasons any day of the week.
RWD 410 hp SS + snow tires will behave as if it's running on slicks. Too much power for just one set of wheels to handle, chains maybe, but not just snows.
AWD SHO + AS tires spreads the traction work around, better chance to grab.
If the OP puts snows on his SS maybe he can let us know his thoughts on how they compare ...
Ok, wanted to be totally fair considering my previous post so I and looked for some video tests. Most were "Winter Tires on FWD/RWD vs. Summer Tires on AWD/4WD", not what I was looking for. Then I found these two:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7l2cMlNRX_A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7l2cMlNRX_A)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpYQR0Zx1qE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpYQR0Zx1qE)
They show AS Tires on AWD/4WD will out accelerate Snow Tires with FWD/RWD.
In Cornering and Braking however, Snow Tires with FWD/RWD won.
Questions? lol
So you have to have a separate winter setup for FWD/RWD. I would for my AWD, but just don't have the room. So I grabbed the best "winter performance" A/S tires in my price range. I wonder if snow tires on AWD beat snow tires on FWD/RWD. Hmm, nobody would ever put snow tires on AWD, right, right?
Quote from: ZSHO on September 11, 2015, 11:01:40 AM
Quote from: Vortech347 on September 11, 2015, 10:37:47 AM
Bad ass car. I would have a Chev SS in my driveway if it wasn't for the much higher price tag on a gently used one. Btw, I'll take a RWD car with proper snow tires over an AWD with all seasons any day of the week.
RWD, V8, two things I knew I'd miss from my Marauder, and I do.
Im not sure if your tuned or not but a tune from either LME or Torrie could influence your view and aspect somewhat. Z
Z has a very valid point. We offer amazing tunes for the 2014- 2015 SS models and also have a great bundle with the RotoFab cold air intake. We have multiple combinations of ECM and TCM tunes that allow us to meet a wide variety of different driving styles. Some of our customers tuned are set up for road racing others are 1/4 mile guys and then the majority of course are street tuned. The 93 octane aggressive ECM and TCM combination seem to be the most popular currently and pick up almost 30 wheel HP tune only. With the Rotofab combination package we have reported gains of 40+ whp which is phenomenal for a naturally aspirated v8.
Car just went 10.5@136
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Quote from: 14 TUX BL on September 14, 2015, 12:00:58 AM
Quote from: Vortech347 on September 11, 2015, 10:37:47 AM
... I'll take a RWD car with proper snow tires over an AWD with all seasons any day of the week.
RWD 410 hp SS + snow tires will behave as if it's running on slicks. Too much power for just one set of wheels to handle, chains maybe, but not just snows.
AWD SHO + AS tires spreads the traction work around, better chance to grab.
If the OP puts snows on his SS maybe he can let us know his thoughts on how they compare ...
I'm not doubting the overall ability for actual straight line traction. Using HP for snow traction is irreverent unless you race in the snow. I prefer how a RWD car drives and handles. My wife and I both daily drove a Cobra and Marauder through winter with blizzaks without a single problem. Anyone here that has ran a dedicated snow tire will vouch that all season tires are the jack of all trades but masters of none. Especially when it comes to braking.
AWD only does ONE THING better and that is overall forward traction. It doesn't stop better, turn better, ect. Only provides more forward motion. Which is why Its fun to laugh at the Subaru's and lifted trucks slid off the road because they think AWD/4x4 magically changes the laws of friction and what tires are on the vehicle. I personally enjoy and prefer the handling and driving experience with RWD. Its okay though, I keep telling myself this SHO is a grown up car and I need to act my age. Thank god I still have the two tire shredd'n Mustangs in the garage when I choose to hang the ass out. :)
Back on topic that white SS is sexy!!
Did anyone see the license plate! LOL CTS V
Haha
Quote from: ecoboostsho on September 14, 2015, 02:42:17 PM
Did anyone see the license plate! LOL CTS V
Good catch! Beaten by the green (!!!) Camaro, though?
saw a similar one at our strip a couple weeks ago running similar times, so had to go see it for myself. just couldn't believe was bone stock & configuration looked very similar to above. maybe company out their doing conversions. it was also white.
Quote from: Vortech347 on September 14, 2015, 12:37:48 PM
Quote from: 14 TUX BL on September 14, 2015, 12:00:58 AM
Quote from: Vortech347 on September 11, 2015, 10:37:47 AM
... I'll take a RWD car with proper snow tires over an AWD with all seasons any day of the week.
RWD 410 hp SS + snow tires will behave as if it's running on slicks. Too much power for just one set of wheels to handle, chains maybe, but not just snows.
AWD SHO + AS tires spreads the traction work around, better chance to grab.
If the OP puts snows on his SS maybe he can let us know his thoughts on how they compare ...
I'm not doubting the overall ability for actual straight line traction. Using HP for snow traction is irreverent unless you race in the snow. I prefer how a RWD car drives and handles. My wife and I both daily drove a Cobra and Marauder through winter with blizzaks without a single problem. Anyone here that has ran a dedicated snow tire will vouch that all season tires are the jack of all trades but masters of none. Especially when it comes to braking.
AWD only does ONE THING better and that is overall forward traction. It doesn't stop better, turn better, ect. Only provides more forward motion. Which is why Its fun to laugh at the Subaru's and lifted trucks slid off the road because they think AWD/4x4 magically changes the laws of friction and what tires are on the vehicle. I personally enjoy and prefer the handling and driving experience with RWD. Its okay though, I keep telling myself this SHO is a grown up car and I need to act my age. Thank god I still have the two tire shredd'n Mustangs in the garage when I choose to hang the ass out. :)
Back on topic that white SS is sexy!!
That's why you pedal out of a slide...lol
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Quote from: Vortech347 on September 14, 2015, 12:37:48 PM
Quote from: 14 TUX BL on September 14, 2015, 12:00:58 AM
Quote from: Vortech347 on September 11, 2015, 10:37:47 AM
... I'll take a RWD car with proper snow tires over an AWD with all seasons any day of the week.
RWD 410 hp SS + snow tires will behave as if it's running on slicks. Too much power for just one set of wheels to handle, chains maybe, but not just snows.
AWD SHO + AS tires spreads the traction work around, better chance to grab.
If the OP puts snows on his SS maybe he can let us know his thoughts on how they compare ...
It doesn't stop better, turn better, ect.
Back on topic that white SS is sexy!!
I think that isn't entirely true....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=938&v=F5F18o8xayA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=938&v=F5F18o8xayA)
Quote from: Vortech347 on September 14, 2015, 12:37:48 PM
... I prefer how a RWD car drives and handles.
That's the point, an aspect of AWD handling makes RWD irrelevant.
QuoteMy wife and I both daily drove a Cobra and Marauder through winter with blizzaks without a single problem. Anyone here that has ran a dedicated snow tire will vouch that all season tires are the jack of all trades but masters of none. Especially when it comes to braking.
I've driven 9 different Mustangs (most GT's) over 30 years including Winter driving, none of them with snows. To say they compare to AWD is beyond unreasonable.
QuoteAWD only does ONE THING better and that is overall forward traction.
VERY WRONG. For example, try doing a full throttle left or right TURN at an intersection in the SHO, then do the same in a Stang. Actually, don't even bother trying to do it in a Stang. Save yourself the trouble.
Let's get back on topic comparing SS to SHO!
Quote from: 14 TUX BL on September 17, 2015, 05:53:03 PM
Quote from: Vortech347 on September 14, 2015, 12:37:48 PM
... I prefer how a RWD car drives and handles.
That's the point, an aspect of AWD handling makes RWD irrelevant.
QuoteMy wife and I both daily drove a Cobra and Marauder through winter with blizzaks without a single problem. Anyone here that has ran a dedicated snow tire will vouch that all season tires are the jack of all trades but masters of none. Especially when it comes to braking.
I've driven 9 different Mustangs (most GT's) over 30 years including Winter driving, none of them with snows. To say they compare to AWD is beyond unreasonable.
If you know what you're doing with the proper tire. FWD/RWD can greatly exceed the standard expectation. Will it be 100% as good in a straight line for acceleration, of course not! But road holding and braking will be the same.
QuoteAWD only does ONE THING better and that is overall forward traction.
VERY WRONG. For example, try doing a full throttle left or right TURN at an intersection in the SHO, then do the same in a Stang. Actually, don't even bother trying to do it in a Stang. Save yourself the trouble.
That's called having fun with a RWD car. Of course you'll have better traction under any full throttle condition. no denying that.
Let's get back on topic comparing SS to SHO!
Agree'd. I just get a kick out of beating up STi-EVO guys open track with my 25 year old tin can fox body.
Quote from: Vortech347 on September 18, 2015, 04:42:42 PM
If you know what you're doing with the proper tire. FWD/RWD can greatly exceed the standard expectation. Will it be 100% as good in a straight line for acceleration, of course not! But road holding and braking will be the same.
To get remotely near what an AWD vehicle is capable of versus FWD/RWD, you'll need ultra sticky 3 Season tires (possibly shaved as well). Not a good scenario in my book!
QuoteThat's called having fun with a RWD car. Of course you'll have better traction under any full throttle condition. no denying that.
My Stangs provided me with that kind of fun for decades. But now it's nice to have something that actually sticks while moving forward. lol
QuoteAgree'd. I just get a kick out of beating up STi-EVO guys open track with my 25 year old tin can fox body.
Nothing against Fox bodies (I had a new 82 GT, 83 GT, 85 GT, 93 LX 5.0) but any car can be modified to do literally anything. Right? A go cart could be modded to outrun Fox bodies (and most exotic cars) like they were standing still. ;)
Just want to reiterate to the OP and everyone else that I think his car looks great, and stock for stock (if it can get traction) accelerates faster than our SHO. But again, I live in the Northeast and have had it with FWD/RWD cars. For me, the SHO is the perfect choice.
PEACE :)
Quote from: ecoboostsho on September 14, 2015, 02:42:17 PM
Did anyone see the license plate! LOL CTS V
Haha
He's yet to beat my times in my V :)
Quote from: JDW1 on September 11, 2015, 03:11:19 PM
Awesome looking car. However, why would you need a catch can on a NA car? there isn't enough blow by that the PCV system wouldn't suffice. Could have saved a little $ IMO.
Haven't been on this site for awhile, so sorry for the bump.
The LS3 engine produces
a lot of blow-bye through the PCV system and feeds it right back into the intake...especially if the car is driven "spirited". The picture below is of another SS owner's catch can (same one I have installed). I can attest to the same results, but this was roughly 800 miles of daily driving with occasional spirited driving. Would you want this feeding back into your intake?
(http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb243/GOGS_666/IMG_20150703_193042_zpsh3yitcn4.jpg) (http://s209.photobucket.com/user/GOGS_666/media/IMG_20150703_193042_zpsh3yitcn4.jpg.html)
(http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb243/GOGS_666/two_zpstceyus7t.jpg) (http://s209.photobucket.com/user/GOGS_666/media/two_zpstceyus7t.jpg.html)
Quote from: SHO-Time on February 16, 2016, 11:52:34 AM
Quote from: JDW1 on September 11, 2015, 03:11:19 PM
Awesome looking car. However, why would you need a catch can on a NA car? there isn't enough blow by that the PCV system wouldn't suffice. Could have saved a little $ IMO.
Haven't been on this site for awhile, so sorry for the bump.
The LS3 engine produces a lot of blow-bye through the PCV system and feeds it right back into the intake...especially if the car is driven "spirited". The picture below is of another SS owner's catch can (same one I have installed). I can attest to the same results, but this was roughly 800 miles of daily driving with occasional spirited driving. Would you want this feeding back into your intake?
(http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb243/GOGS_666/IMG_20150703_193042_zpsh3yitcn4.jpg) (http://s209.photobucket.com/user/GOGS_666/media/IMG_20150703_193042_zpsh3yitcn4.jpg.html)
(http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb243/GOGS_666/two_zpstceyus7t.jpg) (http://s209.photobucket.com/user/GOGS_666/media/two_zpstceyus7t.jpg.html)
Thats great Mike,is that with full synthetic oil? Z
Quote from: ZSHO on February 16, 2016, 12:20:40 PM
Quote from: SHO-Time on February 16, 2016, 11:52:34 AM
Quote from: JDW1 on September 11, 2015, 03:11:19 PM
Awesome looking car. However, why would you need a catch can on a NA car? there isn't enough blow by that the PCV system wouldn't suffice. Could have saved a little $ IMO.
Haven't been on this site for awhile, so sorry for the bump.
The LS3 engine produces a lot of blow-bye through the PCV system and feeds it right back into the intake...especially if the car is driven "spirited". The picture below is of another SS owner's catch can (same one I have installed). I can attest to the same results, but this was roughly 800 miles of daily driving with occasional spirited driving. Would you want this feeding back into your intake?
(http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb243/GOGS_666/IMG_20150703_193042_zpsh3yitcn4.jpg) (http://s209.photobucket.com/user/GOGS_666/media/IMG_20150703_193042_zpsh3yitcn4.jpg.html)
(http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb243/GOGS_666/two_zpstceyus7t.jpg) (http://s209.photobucket.com/user/GOGS_666/media/two_zpstceyus7t.jpg.html)
Thats great Mike,is that with full synthetic oil? Z
Hey Z, I run Pennzoil Ultra Platinum full-syn. Personally, whether you have an N/A or forced Induction engine, a catch can is just added protection and peace of mind. The SS will be going in for a dyno-tune hopefully by the end of March / early April.
Another intake saved, yeah!
Just to add to the AWD vs RWD debate....I ended up buying a 04 BMW 325XI as a winter beater in September. To date the SS has not seen a single snowflake.
Quote from: SHO-Time on February 16, 2016, 03:16:59 PM
Just to add to the AWD vs RWD debate....I ended up buying a 04 BMW 325XI as a winter beater in September. To date the SS has not seen a single snowflake.
Thats ok it saw snow and rain at the dealership they just didnt tell you....its a chevy, a general motors product...meaning a car for the masses...it belongs in the snow and weather, nothing special
Quote from: ajpturbo on February 16, 2016, 07:23:22 PM
Quote from: SHO-Time on February 16, 2016, 03:16:59 PM
Just to add to the AWD vs RWD debate....I ended up buying a 04 BMW 325XI as a winter beater in September. To date the SS has not seen a single snowflake.
Thats ok it saw snow and rain at the dealership they just didnt tell you....its a chevy, a general motors product...meaning a car for the masses...it belongs in the snow and weather, nothing special
Not the precipitation I care about, mainly the road salt. It's a little special being Holden is closing their doors this year. It's no# 30 out of 44 optioned in Perfect Blue with the manual transmission, sunroof & full size spare.
Quote from: SHO-Time on February 16, 2016, 09:38:10 PM
Quote from: ajpturbo on February 16, 2016, 07:23:22 PM
Quote from: SHO-Time on February 16, 2016, 03:16:59 PM
Just to add to the AWD vs RWD debate....I ended up buying a 04 BMW 325XI as a winter beater in September. To date the SS has not seen a single snowflake.
Thats ok it saw snow and rain at the dealership they just didnt tell you....its a chevy, a general motors product...meaning a car for the masses...it belongs in the snow and weather, nothing special
Not the precipitation I care about, mainly the road salt. It's a little special being Holden is closing their doors this year. It's no# 30 out of 44 optioned in Perfect Blue with the manual transmission, sunroof & full size spare.
Everybody thought the late model gto's were cool because they were a Holden car but it was a fatboy chevy that died without a fight....funny to me how the mainstream options that your ss has tries to deceive people as being unique.....i could wipe my bum and place a piece of poopy toilet paper in the trunk of my sho and it would be only #1 of 1 that has a stinky trunk with brown stained poop paper in it...wouldnt be worth anymore money tho
Quote from: ajpturbo on February 16, 2016, 09:50:19 PM
Quote from: SHO-Time on February 16, 2016, 09:38:10 PM
Quote from: ajpturbo on February 16, 2016, 07:23:22 PM
Quote from: SHO-Time on February 16, 2016, 03:16:59 PM
Just to add to the AWD vs RWD debate....I ended up buying a 04 BMW 325XI as a winter beater in September. To date the SS has not seen a single snowflake.
Thats ok it saw snow and rain at the dealership they just didnt tell you....its a chevy, a general motors product...meaning a car for the masses...it belongs in the snow and weather, nothing special
Not the precipitation I care about, mainly the road salt. It's a little special being Holden is closing their doors this year. It's no# 30 out of 44 optioned in Perfect Blue with the manual transmission, sunroof & full size spare.
Everybody thought the late model gto's were cool because they were a Holden car but it was a fatboy chevy that died without a fight....funny to me how the mainstream options that your ss has tries to deceive people as being unique.....i could wipe my bum and place a piece of poopy toilet paper in the trunk of my sho and it would be only #1 of 1 that has a stinky trunk with brown stained poop paper in it...wouldnt be worth anymore money tho
Mike dont mind AJ,he just likes to stir the pot sometimes for entertainment purposes but he's a good dude IMO. Z :)
Even after what i just said, believe it or not i kinda like the ss and the idea of a big sedan with a big motor and a stick...but i dont want to be without my awd with 4 snow tires in the winter....its become a guilty pleasure of mine seeing irresponsible retards stuck in ditches when they choose to not properly equip their vehicles for the climate they live in and believe its the responsibility of the government to steal my earnings to clear streets for those whose choose to drive on 50% worn all seasons in winter in PA
Quote from: ajpturbo on February 16, 2016, 09:50:19 PM
Quote from: SHO-Time on February 16, 2016, 09:38:10 PM
Quote from: ajpturbo on February 16, 2016, 07:23:22 PM
Quote from: SHO-Time on February 16, 2016, 03:16:59 PM
Just to add to the AWD vs RWD debate....I ended up buying a 04 BMW 325XI as a winter beater in September. To date the SS has not seen a single snowflake.
Thats ok it saw snow and rain at the dealership they just didnt tell you....its a chevy, a general motors product...meaning a car for the masses...it belongs in the snow and weather, nothing special
Not the precipitation I care about, mainly the road salt. It's a little special being Holden is closing their doors this year. It's no# 30 out of 44 optioned in Perfect Blue with the manual transmission, sunroof & full size spare.
Everybody thought the late model gto's were cool because they were a Holden car but it was a fatboy chevy that died without a fight....funny to me how the mainstream options that your ss has tries to deceive people as being unique.....i could wipe my bum and place a piece of poopy toilet paper in the trunk of my sho and it would be only #1 of 1 that has a stinky trunk with brown stained poop paper in it...wouldnt be worth anymore money tho
The GTO was simply replaced by the GXP after the design change. The G8 GXPs are still holding their value very well. There were 3,100 SS sedans built in 2015. 273 of those were "Perfect Blue" which was a one year run color. Only 44 of the 273 were manual...large manual sport sedans nowadays are not very common. The car is a little unique despite your "poopy toilet paper" analogy.
Did you ever make it out to LMT to get it tuned? They are THE place for LS engines.
Quote from: 14SHOCAR on February 17, 2016, 10:46:15 AM
Did you ever make it out to LMT to get it tuned? They are THE place for LS engines.
Soon my friend...very soon. I'm going to schedule a dyno-tune for late March / Early April.
Quote from: SHO-Time on February 16, 2016, 03:16:59 PM
Just to add to the AWD vs RWD debate....
Debate? I didn't realize it was a debatable issue?
Pound for pound, AWD takes it away. It's physics. That's why virtually every manufacturer of high hp cars uses it, it's not just for show.
Sure, Camaros/Stangs/SS's are great fun cars. That will never change. But with AWD they'd obviously be better (though cost prohibitive).
And if you didn't get your AWD Winter car, you'd still have the SHO.
Quote from: 14 TUX BL on March 20, 2016, 12:18:39 AM
Quote from: SHO-Time on February 16, 2016, 03:16:59 PM
Just to add to the AWD vs RWD debate....
Debate? I didn't realize it was a debatable issue?
Pound for pound, AWD takes it away. It's physics. That's why virtually every manufacturer of high hp cars uses it, it's not just for show.
Sure, Camaros/Stangs/SS's are great fun cars. That will never change. But with AWD they'd obviously be better (though cost prohibitive).
And if you didn't get your AWD Winter car, you'd still have the SHO.
Good points....But just a question.....How do you explain the Corvette ZR1/Z06, every Ferrari model, Porsche GT3/GT2?
Quote from: AJP turbo on March 20, 2016, 12:33:12 AM
Good points....But just a question.....How do you explain the Corvette ZR1/Z06, every Ferrari model, Porsche GT3/GT2?
That's actually 3 questions shoved into one, but the answers are simple ...
1) Ferrari does make a 4 wheel drive car (think FF and GTC4Lusso).
2) Certain manufacturers know purists aren't mentally capable of making the jump to 4WD. Hence, RWD offerings.
3) Continuing from #2, examples of the new Vette have received criticisms about it not being able to get the power to the ground. Case closed.
Now, having driven eight new RWD V8 Mustangs (spanning several decades) I can testify those cars are great fun to drive. But they are only as fast as one is able to manage the limits of RWD. Which at best, is a tricky proposition. But they're pony/muscle cars, and are not expected to behave any differently.
The Law of Physics will not be subdue itself to anyone:
More Traction = Better
Less Traction = Worse
Quote from: 14 TUX BL on March 20, 2016, 07:44:57 PM
Quote from: AJP turbo on March 20, 2016, 12:33:12 AM
Good points....But just a question.....How do you explain the Corvette ZR1/Z06, every Ferrari model, Porsche GT3/GT2?
That's actually 3 questions shoved into one, but the answers are simple ...
1) Ferrari does make a 4 wheel drive car (think FF and GTC4Lusso).
2) Certain manufacturers know purists aren't mentally capable of making the jump to 4WD. Hence, RWD offerings.
3) Continuing from #2, examples of the new Vette have received criticisms about it not being able to get the power to the ground. Case closed.
Now, having driven eight new RWD V8 Mustangs (spanning several decades) I can testify those cars are great fun to drive. But they are only as fast as one is able to manage the limits of RWD. Which at best, is a tricky proposition. But they're pony/muscle cars, and are not expected to behave any differently.
The Law of Physics will not be subdue itself to anyone:
More Traction = Better
Less Traction = Worse
Man, the vettes put up good lap times for not being able to put the power to the ground
Have you seen the traction circles?...the tire can only do so much...the more you use for propulsion the less traction is left for steering change
Rwd cars seem to reign at the top for nurburgring times .
Ive driven so many awd and rwd cars and get annoyed with the handling dynamics of the awd cars in the twisties....people i work with want to tell me and show me how fast their sti's and evo's are in the bends....im so hard into my cars that im not hitting the gas in the bends it wouldnt matter if i had 8wd....and as far as corner exit im just a little sideways but at a higher velocity ....i guess if your not comfortable being sideways and accelerating then go for awd
I guess all things being equal, same car same power plant ive always been faster in the rwd...the awd version of the same cars that ive had when compared to their rwd counterparts felt bulky, heavy, and slow due to the understeer and handling
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F5F18o8xayA
You guys have to remember the blanket term of AWD vs RWD isn't comparable. There are so many types of AWD systems out there!!! The SHO's AWD system isn't really anything to brag about nor was it designed for handling or lap times. It has horrible under steer and TQ steer just like a FWD car. The system is really more of a "oh crap wheels are spinning, I'll have the back help a little bit" I look forward to auto crossing the SHO this year but its characteristics will be that of a FWD with a little more forward traction. There's no transfer case, and the front wheels have full power all the time, only the rear wheels are controlled as "helpers"
This what I've experienced so far as someone that actually races open track/auto-x.
You catch the price of that GTR?
Quote from: AJP turbo on March 20, 2016, 11:46:18 PM
You catch the price of that GTR?
Yup, here's the full comparo....with a 911 turbo added in.
http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/2015-chevrolet-corvette-z06-vs-2015-nissan-gt-r-nismo-2014-porsche-911-turbo-s-final-scoring-performance-data-and-complete-specs-page-5 (http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/2015-chevrolet-corvette-z06-vs-2015-nissan-gt-r-nismo-2014-porsche-911-turbo-s-final-scoring-performance-data-and-complete-specs-page-5)
Quote from: Vortech347 on March 20, 2016, 11:14:02 PM
You guys have to remember the blanket term of AWD vs RWD isn't comparable. There are so many types of AWD systems out there!!! The SHO's AWD system isn't really anything to brag about nor was it designed for handling or lap times. It has horrible under steer and TQ steer just like a FWD car. The system is really more of a "oh crap wheels are spinning, I'll have the back help a little bit" I look forward to auto crossing the SHO this year but its characteristics will be that of a FWD with a little more forward traction. There's no transfer case, and the front wheels have full power all the time, only the rear wheels are controlled as "helpers"
This what I've experienced so far as someone that actually races open track/auto-x.
Maybe it will be better than you anticipate....
"In our lapping session I found the car surprisingly civilized, supple and quiet, despite its ability to turn in nicely and then drift in controlled, balanced fashion. The engine is blazingly fast down the straights and comes off the corners with hard-hitting torque (and makes a lovely sound while doing it), and the easily modulated brakes have no trouble catching the line drive to shortstop. For a big car, it bleeds off speed easily and impressively."
http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/first-drives/reviews/a18234/2013-ford-taurus-sho-with-performance-package/ (http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/first-drives/reviews/a18234/2013-ford-taurus-sho-with-performance-package/)
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on March 20, 2016, 09:08:49 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F5F18o8xayA
And there you go.
Professional race car driver Randi Pobst on driving the Z06:
"You've got to be on full high alert"
"it takes full focus all the time"
"the Nissan GTR is a lot more stable than the Corvette Z06 is"As far as I'm concerned, this formally ends the debate on RWD vs 4WD/AWD performance cars.
And rather clearly at that. Time to move on to a new topic ...
How can that RWD vette do better in the skidpad and slalom than those expensive awd cars?...rwd for handling and enjoyment and awd for bad weather and drag racing! Yes! Ajp wins again!
Quote from: 14 TUX BL on March 21, 2016, 12:30:04 AM
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on March 20, 2016, 09:08:49 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F5F18o8xayA
And there you go.
Professional race car driver Randi Pobst on driving the Z06:
"You've got to be on full high alert"
"it takes full focus all the time"
"the Nissan GTR is a lot more stable than the Corvette Z06 is"
As far as I'm concerned, this formally ends the debate on RWD vs 4WD/AWD performance cars.
And rather clearly at that. Time to move on to a new topic ...
Another topic, really lol....wonder how it would end if you threw 40 grand of resources at the vette?...wait i know the answer....gtr loses lol
Quote from: 14 TUX BL on March 20, 2016, 12:18:39 AM
Quote from: SHO-Time on February 16, 2016, 03:16:59 PM
Just to add to the AWD vs RWD debate....
Debate? I didn't realize it was a debatable issue?
Pound for pound, AWD takes it away. It's physics. That's why virtually every manufacturer of high hp cars uses it, it's not just for show.
Sure, Camaros/Stangs/SS's are great fun cars. That will never change. But with AWD they'd obviously be better (though cost prohibitive).
And if you didn't get your AWD Winter car, you'd still have the SHO.
The "debate" was in regards to winter driving not performance. I did try throwing the SHO into some corners a few times...the result was laughable at best.
In regards to drag race performance, yes AWD on the street should and will win the majority of the time. On a drag strip, the result will be much different as the AWD advantage is decreased significantly.
I've always liked drag racing but unfortunately the SHO is kinda limited for this purpose with the fuel system and all. I'm kinda surprised that even the fastest SHOs are still only cutting 1.7 60 fts. I'm not sure what the secret is there, it's definitely not an HP issue.
Next sedan for me might be rwd.
Quote from: SHO-Time on March 21, 2016, 10:41:34 AM
Quote from: 14 TUX BL on March 20, 2016, 12:18:39 AM
Quote from: SHO-Time on February 16, 2016, 03:16:59 PM
Just to add to the AWD vs RWD debate....
Debate? I didn't realize it was a debatable issue?
Pound for pound, AWD takes it away. It's physics. That's why virtually every manufacturer of high hp cars uses it, it's not just for show.
Sure, Camaros/Stangs/SS's are great fun cars. That will never change. But with AWD they'd obviously be better (though cost prohibitive).
And if you didn't get your AWD Winter car, you'd still have the SHO.
The "debate" was in regards to winter driving not performance. I did try throwing the SHO into some corners a few times...the result was laughable at best.
In regards to drag race performance, yes AWD on the street should and will win the majority of the time. On a drag strip, the result will be much different as the AWD advantage is decreased significantly.
Quote from: Blackhawk on March 21, 2016, 11:16:21 AM
I've always liked drag racing but unfortunately the SHO is kinda limited for this purpose with the fuel system and all. I'm kinda surprised that even the fastest SHOs are still only cutting 1.7 60 fts. I'm not sure what the secret is there, it's definitely not an HP issue.
Next sedan for me might be rwd.
Its because power is wasted with front wheel spin and not very much gets sent to the back wheels. They are helpers.
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on March 21, 2016, 12:00:54 AM
Maybe it will be better than you anticipate....
"In our lapping session I found the car surprisingly civilized, supple and quiet, despite its ability to turn in nicely and then drift in controlled, balanced fashion. The engine is blazingly fast down the straights and comes off the corners with hard-hitting torque (and makes a lovely sound while doing it), and the easily modulated brakes have no trouble catching the line drive to shortstop. For a big car, it bleeds off speed easily and impressively."
http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/first-drives/reviews/a18234/2013-ford-taurus-sho-with-performance-package/ (http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/first-drives/reviews/a18234/2013-ford-taurus-sho-with-performance-package/)
Based off some aggressive driving I've already done If I try to get on the throttle earlier to take advantage of the AWD I get snow plow THEN the rear wheels get power and start to help out. Its a very unsettling feeling. The system reacts pretty slow. I think the reason they didn't put the "nanny off" switch in until later models is because its better to leave it on so you don't get that short moment of plowing under-steer if the front wheels break loose. I'm willing to bet ALL of the magazine test people either put advanced trac sport mode or have non-PP cars and the nanny's are on. I'll be fun to experiment between the different modes in a timed environment.
Quote from: Vortech347 on March 21, 2016, 11:38:53 AM
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on March 21, 2016, 12:00:54 AM
Maybe it will be better than you anticipate....
"In our lapping session I found the car surprisingly civilized, supple and quiet, despite its ability to turn in nicely and then drift in controlled, balanced fashion. The engine is blazingly fast down the straights and comes off the corners with hard-hitting torque (and makes a lovely sound while doing it), and the easily modulated brakes have no trouble catching the line drive to shortstop. For a big car, it bleeds off speed easily and impressively."
http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/first-drives/reviews/a18234/2013-ford-taurus-sho-with-performance-package/ (http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/first-drives/reviews/a18234/2013-ford-taurus-sho-with-performance-package/)
Based off some aggressive driving I've already done If I try to get on the throttle earlier to take advantage of the AWD I get snow plow THEN the rear wheels get power and start to help out. Its a very unsettling feeling. The system reacts pretty slow. I think the reason they didn't put the "nanny off" switch in until later models is because its better to leave it on so you don't get that short moment of plowing under-steer if the front wheels break loose. I'm willing to bet ALL of the magazine test people either put advanced trac sport mode or have non-PP cars and the nanny's are on. I'll be fun to experiment between the different modes in a timed environment.
Neither car has behaved like that at all. Power always goes to the rear first under any kind of aggressive acceleration.
Installing my active all wheel drive gauge only confirmed what I felt in both cars. Power to the rear first then moving towards 50-50 with speed. Cruising is really the only time I see heavy front bias. Foot off the gas you will see the rear axle is ready to receive power upon acceleration.
With Blizzaks and wet roads combined with WOT downshifts I've seen it dump all the power to the rear initially which is exactly what I'd expect as the weight transfers to the rear.
The AWD is both proactive and reactive and capable of making 100 changes per second based on something like 27 different sensors. I've not experienced the understeer you speak of even with all of the extra supplied Torrie power.
Only the PP cars that are designed for track usage get the nanny off mode.
I stopped reading posts because I don't want to get into needless arguments, just want to go down with this final thought if that's ok:
SHO-Time originally posted on his SS, a car he was clearly proud of. I wish him the best!
My response was/remains it's a great looking car with equally great performance. But for me, I needed a one-solution AWD performance sedan, and the SHO fit the bill (plus, I'm a Ford guy to a fault).
I wish our SHO's pulled 13.0's stock (C&D says the auto SS is even a tenth faster at 12.9) but I'll have to be content with my 13.79 non-PP bone stock ET, which doesn't carry a $1300 Gas Guzzler Tax equipped with an automatic.
Bottom line is the SS is a commendable car that has earned respect in the performance sedan market, as well it should.
PEACE
Quote from: 14 TUX BL on March 24, 2016, 12:13:50 AM
I stopped reading posts because I don't want to get into needless arguments, just want to go down with this final thought if that's ok:
SHO-Time originally posted on his SS, a car he was clearly proud of. I wish him the best!
My response was/remains it's a great looking car with equally great performance. But for me, I needed a one-solution AWD performance sedan, and the SHO fit the bill (plus, I'm a Ford guy to a fault).
I wish our SHO's pulled 13.0's stock (C&D says the auto SS is even a tenth faster at 12.9) but I'll have to be content with my 13.79 non-PP bone stock ET, which doesn't carry a $1300 Gas Guzzler Tax equipped with an automatic.
Bottom line is the SS is a commendable car that has earned respect in the performance sedan market, as well it should.
PEACE
Thanks 14 TUX BL!
When originally posting my thread, it was never intended to start a "what car is better" or "AWD vs RWD" argument, but such is the internet. As everything in life, people will choose what ever product best suits their preferences, personality and/or overall tastes. I enjoyed my SHO very much, I simply decided to go in a different direction.
With that said, I did get the SS tuned a couple of weeks ago...
Basline with Rotofab Intake = 366 RWHP / 373 RWTQ
RotoFab CAI & Dyno-Tune =
390 RWHP / 388 RWTQAnd I had these custom painted engine covers made
(http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb243/GOGS_666/IMG_0397%201_zpsfuwrrug1.jpg) (http://s209.photobucket.com/user/GOGS_666/media/IMG_0397%201_zpsfuwrrug1.jpg.html)
(http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb243/GOGS_666/IMG_0396_zpsqq0zp3xz.jpg) (http://s209.photobucket.com/user/GOGS_666/media/IMG_0396_zpsqq0zp3xz.jpg.html)
(http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb243/GOGS_666/IMG_0389_zpswt3pbued.jpg) (http://s209.photobucket.com/user/GOGS_666/media/IMG_0389_zpswt3pbued.jpg.html)
Thank heavens at least the paint is the right color! :D
Man, I love those rotofab intakes, I wish they'd give us some love.
Engine covers look great as well.
Who did your tuning?
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on March 24, 2016, 02:03:47 PM
Man, I love those rotofab intakes, I wish they'd give us some love.
Engine covers look great as well.
Who did your tuning?
Thank you.
I had Late Model Throttle in Waukesha, WI do the tune.
They thought they could've squeeze a little more timing out, but I stored the car for the winter and I most likely had some poopy stale fuel or winter blend 93 octane in the tank....oh well.
Definitely looks great Mike. Z :thumb:
I apologize for Hi-jacking.
Your SS is a sexy beast. If I would have had another 5k in the bank at the time. I would have bought one.
Quote from: SHO-Time on March 24, 2016, 11:31:10 AM
Thanks 14 TUX BL!
When originally posting my thread, it was never intended to start a "what car is better" or "AWD vs RWD" argument, but such is the internet. As everything in life, people will choose what ever product best suits their preferences, personality and/or overall tastes. I enjoyed my SHO very much, I simply decided to go in a different direction.
Understood.
I actually like the SS, very nice car and as fast as a stock Mustang GT. And as you probably know, MT recently tested an SS and called it "
The New Benchmark Sport Sedan":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbLweooe3aM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbLweooe3aM)
QuoteWith that said, I did get the SS tuned a couple of weeks ago...
Basline with Rotofab Intake = 366 RWHP / 373 RWTQ
RotoFab CAI & Dyno-Tune = 390 RWHP / 388 RWTQ
Really nice results. Did you run the SHO on the same dyno? Numbers on that for comparo?
Best of luck to you and your car, stay safe!
Quote from: SHO-Time on March 24, 2016, 11:31:10 AM
Quote from: 14 TUX BL on March 24, 2016, 12:13:50 AM
I stopped reading posts because I don't want to get into needless arguments, just want to go down with this final thought if that's ok:
SHO-Time originally posted on his SS, a car he was clearly proud of. I wish him the best!
My response was/remains it's a great looking car with equally great performance. But for me, I needed a one-solution AWD performance sedan, and the SHO fit the bill (plus, I'm a Ford guy to a fault).
I wish our SHO's pulled 13.0's stock (C&D says the auto SS is even a tenth faster at 12.9) but I'll have to be content with my 13.79 non-PP bone stock ET, which doesn't carry a $1300 Gas Guzzler Tax equipped with an automatic.
Bottom line is the SS is a commendable car that has earned respect in the performance sedan market, as well it should.
PEACE
Thanks 14 TUX BL!
When originally posting my thread, it was never intended to start a "what car is better" or "AWD vs RWD" argument, but such is the internet. As everything in life, people will choose what ever product best suits their preferences, personality and/or overall tastes. I enjoyed my SHO very much, I simply decided to go in a different direction.
With that said, I did get the SS tuned a couple of weeks ago...
Basline with Rotofab Intake = 366 RWHP / 373 RWTQ
RotoFab CAI & Dyno-Tune = 390 RWHP / 388 RWTQ
And I had these custom painted engine covers made
(http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb243/GOGS_666/IMG_0397%201_zpsfuwrrug1.jpg) (http://s209.photobucket.com/user/GOGS_666/media/IMG_0397%201_zpsfuwrrug1.jpg.html)
(http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb243/GOGS_666/IMG_0396_zpsqq0zp3xz.jpg) (http://s209.photobucket.com/user/GOGS_666/media/IMG_0396_zpsqq0zp3xz.jpg.html)
(http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb243/GOGS_666/IMG_0389_zpswt3pbued.jpg) (http://s209.photobucket.com/user/GOGS_666/media/IMG_0389_zpswt3pbued.jpg.html)
Damn... those covers look sweet.... been debating to get that but really saving up for some welds wheels for the ss
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