I've been dreaming of a SHO for a while now and wanting to pull the trigger in the next 6 months.
Was waiting for the '15 Legacy to see if they would put the 2.0T in it, but they failed. So now I'm back at looking at a slightly pre-owned '13 SHO. Seems like a bargain for what they go for these days ($30K). Has options other cars in the class don't offer, like ventilated seats, heated steering wheel, remote start, and other gadgets. I really like the look of the '13+ and a drop with H&R springs does wonders for the appearance.
Currently have a '12 Sonata Limited 2.0T but lease is up in 12 months and I really miss AWD.
Any regrets on your SHO purchases? Do you wish you went with a Charter R/T AWD, TL SH-AWD, or G37x?
I'm a little worried about the reliability of the car, as I'd own it for 3+ years out of warranty. Do you guys feel like these cars will go to 100k miles with under $1K in repairs?
Lastly, are you satisfied with the AWD performance? Does it grip well with all-season tires in slippery conditions?
If you had $30K to buy a new or used car, would you buy the SHO or go with something else?
Quote from: PokerMunkee on February 15, 2014, 04:53:33 PM
Any regrets on your SHO purchases?
Do you wish you went with a Charter R/T AWD, TL SH-AWD, or G37x?
Do you guys feel like these cars will go to 100k miles with under $1K in repairs?
Lastly, are you satisfied with the AWD performance?
If you had $30K to buy a new or used car, would you buy the SHO or go with something else?
Welcome to EBPF!! :WELCOME:
To answer the questions in order...
No regrets.
I drove a lot of cars including Lexus, Mopar, Infinity, BMW, C7, Acura.... I picked the SHO for the total package at half the price of the others comparably equipped.
Hope so... on member did just turn 100K with no out of warranty repairs. Maintenance not included.
I feel stuck to the road.
Right now i'd buy another SHO so I could REALLY push the potential without risking my DD.
Cheers... Buy it, you'll never look back!
Do i regret my purchase? Absolutely not.
I've owned a C55 amg, warrenty nightmare. went from that to a brand new in 2006 IS350 that dropped a valve spring at 15K and lexus refused to warrenty the engine till i threated to sue. They replaced the motor and i started having constant transmission issues. It was lemon lawed for a IS250 which was GUTLESS and i promptly traded for a 2006 Chrysler 300 SRT8 which spent over 90 days in service the 1st year i owned it. Having lost my butt on the chyrsler i bought a used P71 crown vic and piled over 300k on it. in 2010, i looked hard for a new sedan. I wound up with a new Genesis sedan V8. I called it a korean cadillac. Wonderful ride, powerful V8, great brakes but cant toss it around like my P71 or the 300. So i traded it for the SHO. I wished i waited for a PP car but i still love it. Other than a PTU its been great mechanically. Just the little stuff thats pissing me off like the chrome trim, how little room there is in the back seat and all the stuff that comes with an early build car. Would i do it again? Hell yes. The only other car i own that i like more is my S5 but thats totally different territory.
I myself too have a 2.0t sonata..... which is actually now my wifes car. Do I have any regrets buying my sho? Well yes......wondering why the heck I waited so long to buy one :). Well I do not have a 2013 rather a 2010 with all the options available in 2010 I am truly in love with this car. You should see all the puzzled looks I get as I roar down the streets in this car which btw is a perfect sleeper. It is not only extremly fast but offers the comfort you'd expect in a 60000 car.
Honestly?
Ive been a Ford guy all of my life (I still have 3 in my garage) with the exception of a Chrysler 300 AWD, which was your typical no quality Chrysler product that I had so many problems from drive train to interior parts, it was unbelievable. Hey, I had to try one.
I then bought my first WRX. My first import. Then I bought my second WRX.
Now you cant compare a Taurus to a WRX. Two different types of cars.
But what you can compare is reliability
Ive seen people on here with wheel bearing problems, some kind of heater door problems and a few other problems. And Ive had very,VERY minor problems with my SHO. Ive never had any issues with either WRX.
It concerns me.
The Subarus was bullet proof.
With all of that being said, the SHO is an incredible car, especially after you install a tune.
obviously I bought the car because I wanted it. Maybe I should have done a little more research before I bought it. It may have changed my mind knowing some of the problems that occur on SOME of them at rather low mileage.
I really like the car but if I have to deal with wheel bearings , etc, I may not be with me for more than a couple of years. The problem is, if I sell it, theres no car, in its class, that I could replace it with.
Check out repair frequency and system of the car repaired: http://www.truedelta.com/join (http://www.truedelta.com/join)
My driveway = SHO, FUSION, F250, E250 and my boat has a stroked aluminum headed 351
I thing you should try an impala
Former subaru guy here, had some 90's outbacks and legacys, and traded my 2004 Baja Turbo for my 2013 SHO. At first I was concerned about reliability as I grew up with the FORD= Fix or repair daily. But I will say Ford has made me a believer so far. Its luxurious, and surprisingly fun to drive for its size. And <knock on wood> hasnt given me any sort of issues yet (15k miles). My only regret... That I would have just bought it outright and not traded away my Baja :( I have a feeling the Turbo Baja is going to be hard to find sooner rather than later and may have been something to hang on too.
When it comes to performance, handling, and comfort I love my '13 SHO...the car is a great family hauler that can really get up and go when you want to have some fun. When it comes to reliability my car has been total garbage, in the shop for repairs over 10% of the time since I bought it in September 2012. Based on my experiences, with both the car itself and with Ford's customer service, I doubt I'd buy the car again if I could go back. This is going to be my first and last new Ford.
when you guys talk about the sho what is the PP mean?
PP = Performance Package.
what does that consist of in that package?
No regrets ... Love my SHO ...fun in the snow too ..... Pretty competent at that !
Quote from: explorergotoluvit on February 15, 2014, 11:31:10 PM
what does that consist of in that package?
SHO Performance Package
For the discriminating automotive enthusiast, Ford offers the SHO Performance Package, which offers package-specific tuning to the suspension - including unique dampers and springs - that goes above and beyond the standard SHO. Other upgrades are even stronger brake pads and track-tuned calipers, a re-calibrated steering system, the ability to completely disable stability control, a 3.16 final drive ratio for improved acceleration, extreme-duty cooling, 20-inch machined and painted wheels and 245/YR20 performance summer tires.
Thanks, fellas!
I'm going to test drive the '15 WRX Limited CVT once it hits dealers. If I lease a new car again, this or the upcoming Golf R DSG or Audi A3 will be my next vehicles. If I go used, the '13 SHO is #1 on my list.
Can't wait to get out of my Sonata. It's just too plain. The MPG is nice (avg 27) and the turbo puts me back in the seat, but ready to get back in a quick car again.
The only possible cause for regret with this car for me will be if it stabs me in the back with unreliability. The car itself is excellent in many ways.
There's only a couple of vehicles that I truly might could sub out for the SHO, and those are the new Q Infiniti and the Cadillac ATS. Both excellent choices.
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Finding that 2013 Lincoln MKS's can also be had for $30K or less. Mmm. Tempting. I'm 32 and think I'm too young for a Lincoln but I think the MKS looks pretty sporty. Decisions...
As a happy EX WRX owner (2010 and a 2012), I saw the 2015 at the auto show. I hated it, the SHO was the next pick.
The Golf, from what Ive heard, and I could be TOTALLY wrong, but I heard it was a $40,000. dollar car......for a GOLF. As Ive said, I could be totally wrong but for that kind of money you can pickup a SHO and have a lot more car.
Just so you know, I got a phone call from the Subie dealer last night and they are starting to take orders for the new REX any day now.
Quote from: PokerMunkee on February 18, 2014, 01:08:30 PM
Finding that 2013 Lincoln MKS's can also be had for $30K or less. Mmm. Tempting. I'm 32 and think I'm too young for a Lincoln but I think the MKS looks pretty sporty. Decisions...
i'm in the same age range and sprung for the MKS over the SHO (2010). i personally like the styling of the MKS and there not as many out on the road, so you have a sense of exclusivity. and the car definitely looks sporty, as i have been challenged (and usually beat) by a number of drivers of BMWs, Acuras, Infinitis etc. so it must look the part to others as well.
the 2013 MKS also has the exclusive adjustable suspension and would look great with the right set of aftermarket wheels!
Quote from: PokerMunkee on February 18, 2014, 01:08:30 PM
Finding that 2013 Lincoln MKS's can also be had for $30K or less. Mmm. Tempting. I'm 32 and think I'm too young for a Lincoln but I think the MKS looks pretty sporty. Decisions...
I turn 33 in July and have owned a 2010 MKS since June of 2012, so I would happily dispute that statement. I've always owned something from FoMoCo, so I'm certainly biased, but I am thrilled beyond belief with my MKS. I was originally looking at SHO's but I found an MKS EcoBoost that just snuck in to the top end of my price range so I jumped on it. I would honestly be a little shocked if you were able to get an 2013 MKS with EcoBoost for that price without it having crazy miles or something, but if so I would jump on it. It's no knock on the SHO, and the MKS doesn't have the performance pack option the SHO has, so there's that to consider too, but it was a tradeoff I was willing to make.
There are a few comforts I wish my car had come with, such as the remote start, massaging seats or adaptive cruise control. But those really are minor things compared to how much I DON'T regret getting my particular SHO.
Sometimes I wish I had a sportier, lighter RWD car. But I will just have to get one in addition to the SHO at some point, I'd also really want that car to be a convertible, so I couldn't have it in Michigan year-round anyway.
Quote from: DRII on February 18, 2014, 02:50:53 PM
Quote from: PokerMunkee on February 18, 2014, 01:08:30 PM
Finding that 2013 Lincoln MKS's can also be had for $30K or less. Mmm. Tempting. I'm 32 and think I'm too young for a Lincoln but I think the MKS looks pretty sporty. Decisions...
i'm in the same age range and sprung for the MKS over the SHO (2010). i personally like the styling of the MKS and there not as many out on the road, so you have a sense of exclusivity. and the car definitely looks sporty, as i have been challenged (and usually beat) by a number of drivers of BMWs, Acuras, Infinitis etc. so it must look the part to others as well.
the 2013 MKS also has the exclusive adjustable suspension and would look great with the right set of aftermarket wheels!
MKS brothers unite!
Here are some 2013's I'm finding for around $30K. Found a couple under $30K that had "minor damage" reported under CarFax.
'13 MKS Premium/Elite/Adapt/Roof 43k = $26.9:
http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail.jsp?tracktype=usedcc&csDlId=&csDgId=&listingId=130506116&listingRecNum=39&criteria=feedSegId%3D28705%26rpp%3D50%26trId%3D27862%26isDealerGrouping%3Dfalse%26sf2Nm%3Dmiles%26requestorTrackingInfo%3DRTB_SEARCH%26yrId%3D47272%26sf1Nm%3Dprice%26sf2Dir%3DASC%26stkTypId%3D28881%26PMmt%3D1-1-1%26rn%3D0%26prcId%3D28575%26prcId%3D28574%26zc%3D80863%26rd%3D100000%26crSrtFlds%3DstkTypId-feedSegId-mkId-mdId%26mdId%3D21403%26stkTyp%3DU%26mkId%3D20025%26sf1Dir%3DDESC&aff=national&listType=1 (http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail.jsp?tracktype=usedcc&csDlId=&csDgId=&listingId=130506116&listingRecNum=39&criteria=feedSegId%3D28705%26rpp%3D50%26trId%3D27862%26isDealerGrouping%3Dfalse%26sf2Nm%3Dmiles%26requestorTrackingInfo%3DRTB_SEARCH%26yrId%3D47272%26sf1Nm%3Dprice%26sf2Dir%3DASC%26stkTypId%3D28881%26PMmt%3D1-1-1%26rn%3D0%26prcId%3D28575%26prcId%3D28574%26zc%3D80863%26rd%3D100000%26crSrtFlds%3DstkTypId-feedSegId-mkId-mdId%26mdId%3D21403%26stkTyp%3DU%26mkId%3D20025%26sf1Dir%3DDESC&aff=national&listType=1)
'13 MKS Premium/Elite/Adapt/Roof 30k = $29.9:
http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail.jsp?tracktype=usedcc&csDlId=&csDgId=&listingId=126356354&listingRecNum=34&criteria=feedSegId%3D28705%26rpp%3D50%26trId%3D27862%26isDealerGrouping%3Dfalse%26sf2Nm%3Dmiles%26requestorTrackingInfo%3DRTB_SEARCH%26yrId%3D47272%26sf1Nm%3Dprice%26sf2Dir%3DASC%26stkTypId%3D28881%26PMmt%3D1-1-1%26rn%3D0%26prcId%3D28575%26prcId%3D28574%26zc%3D80863%26rd%3D100000%26crSrtFlds%3DstkTypId-feedSegId-mkId-mdId%26mdId%3D21403%26stkTyp%3DU%26mkId%3D20025%26sf1Dir%3DDESC&aff=national&listType=1 (http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail.jsp?tracktype=usedcc&csDlId=&csDgId=&listingId=126356354&listingRecNum=34&criteria=feedSegId%3D28705%26rpp%3D50%26trId%3D27862%26isDealerGrouping%3Dfalse%26sf2Nm%3Dmiles%26requestorTrackingInfo%3DRTB_SEARCH%26yrId%3D47272%26sf1Nm%3Dprice%26sf2Dir%3DASC%26stkTypId%3D28881%26PMmt%3D1-1-1%26rn%3D0%26prcId%3D28575%26prcId%3D28574%26zc%3D80863%26rd%3D100000%26crSrtFlds%3DstkTypId-feedSegId-mkId-mdId%26mdId%3D21403%26stkTyp%3DU%26mkId%3D20025%26sf1Dir%3DDESC&aff=national&listType=1)
'13 MKS Premium/Elite/Adapt/Roof 13k = $31.9 (clean carfax) Really like this one.
http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail.jsp?tracktype=usedcc&csDlId=&csDgId=&listingId=131267802&listingRecNum=25&criteria=feedSegId%3D28705%26rpp%3D50%26trId%3D27862%26isDealerGrouping%3Dfalse%26sf2Nm%3Dmiles%26requestorTrackingInfo%3DRTB_SEARCH%26yrId%3D47272%26sf1Nm%3Dprice%26sf2Dir%3DASC%26stkTypId%3D28881%26PMmt%3D1-1-1%26rn%3D0%26prcId%3D28575%26prcId%3D28574%26zc%3D80863%26rd%3D100000%26crSrtFlds%3DstkTypId-feedSegId-mkId-mdId%26mdId%3D21403%26stkTyp%3DU%26mkId%3D20025%26sf1Dir%3DDESC&aff=national&listType=1 (http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail.jsp?tracktype=usedcc&csDlId=&csDgId=&listingId=131267802&listingRecNum=25&criteria=feedSegId%3D28705%26rpp%3D50%26trId%3D27862%26isDealerGrouping%3Dfalse%26sf2Nm%3Dmiles%26requestorTrackingInfo%3DRTB_SEARCH%26yrId%3D47272%26sf1Nm%3Dprice%26sf2Dir%3DASC%26stkTypId%3D28881%26PMmt%3D1-1-1%26rn%3D0%26prcId%3D28575%26prcId%3D28574%26zc%3D80863%26rd%3D100000%26crSrtFlds%3DstkTypId-feedSegId-mkId-mdId%26mdId%3D21403%26stkTyp%3DU%26mkId%3D20025%26sf1Dir%3DDESC&aff=national&listType=1)
Quote from: yowen on February 18, 2014, 03:39:22 PM
There are a few comforts I wish my car had come with, such as the remote start, massaging seats or adaptive cruise control. But those really are minor things compared to how much I DON'T regret getting my particular SHO.
Sometimes I wish I had a sportier, lighter RWD car. But I will just have to get one in addition to the SHO at some point, I'd also really want that car to be a convertible, so I couldn't have it in Michigan year-round anyway.
I wish I had remote start as well but that is an easy thing to get installed plus stock the SHO is cheaper and has more power on tap than the lincoln wouldn't change my mind again. I was actually looking at a g37x and SHO at the same time....IMO hands down goes to the SHO. Even the infiniti didnt match the refinement of teh sho even though the exhaust note was alot better stock... however that was taken care of with my Corsa :)
Quote from: REDSHOCGO on February 18, 2014, 06:25:07 PM
Quote from: yowen on February 18, 2014, 03:39:22 PM
There are a few comforts I wish my car had come with, such as the remote start, massaging seats or adaptive cruise control. But those really are minor things compared to how much I DON'T regret getting my particular SHO.
Sometimes I wish I had a sportier, lighter RWD car. But I will just have to get one in addition to the SHO at some point, I'd also really want that car to be a convertible, so I couldn't have it in Michigan year-round anyway.
I wish I had remote start as well but that is an easy thing to get installed plus stock the SHO is cheaper and has more power on tap than the lincoln wouldn't change my mind again. I was actually looking at a g37x and SHO at the same time....IMO hands down goes to the SHO. Even the infiniti didnt match the refinement of teh sho even though the exhaust note was alot better stock... however that was taken care of with my Corsa :)
buying new, the SHO is cheaper; but buying used the MKS is actually cheaper (especially considiering equipment). at least that was my experience. i was more than happy to take advantage, but its really not a good thing that the MKS loses its value to such a degree.
also the MKS has the same power IIRC, when using premium. the 350 hp figure is when using 87 octane. the engine is the same, although the gearing can be different...
Quote from: DRII on February 19, 2014, 08:15:57 AM
Quote from: REDSHOCGO on February 18, 2014, 06:25:07 PM
Quote from: yowen on February 18, 2014, 03:39:22 PM
There are a few comforts I wish my car had come with, such as the remote start, massaging seats or adaptive cruise control. But those really are minor things compared to how much I DON'T regret getting my particular SHO.
Sometimes I wish I had a sportier, lighter RWD car. But I will just have to get one in addition to the SHO at some point, I'd also really want that car to be a convertible, so I couldn't have it in Michigan year-round anyway.
I wish I had remote start as well but that is an easy thing to get installed plus stock the SHO is cheaper and has more power on tap than the lincoln wouldn't change my mind again. I was actually looking at a g37x and SHO at the same time....IMO hands down goes to the SHO. Even the infiniti didnt match the refinement of teh sho even though the exhaust note was alot better stock... however that was taken care of with my Corsa :)
buying new, the SHO is cheaper; but buying used the MKS is actually cheaper (especially considiering equipment). at least that was my experience. i was more than happy to take advantage, but its really not a good thing that the MKS loses its value to such a degree.
also the MKS has the same power IIRC, when using premium. the 350 hp figure is when using 87 octane. the engine is the same, although the gearing can be different...
When I was shopping I really could've ended up with either. In my area the pricing was similar. The distinct advantage I saw with the lincoln is more sound deadening and the THX stereo.
Quote from: yowen on February 19, 2014, 08:20:56 AM
Quote from: DRII on February 19, 2014, 08:15:57 AM
Quote from: REDSHOCGO on February 18, 2014, 06:25:07 PM
Quote from: yowen on February 18, 2014, 03:39:22 PM
There are a few comforts I wish my car had come with, such as the remote start, massaging seats or adaptive cruise control. But those really are minor things compared to how much I DON'T regret getting my particular SHO.
Sometimes I wish I had a sportier, lighter RWD car. But I will just have to get one in addition to the SHO at some point, I'd also really want that car to be a convertible, so I couldn't have it in Michigan year-round anyway.
I wish I had remote start as well but that is an easy thing to get installed plus stock the SHO is cheaper and has more power on tap than the lincoln wouldn't change my mind again. I was actually looking at a g37x and SHO at the same time....IMO hands down goes to the SHO. Even the infiniti didnt match the refinement of teh sho even though the exhaust note was alot better stock... however that was taken care of with my Corsa :)
buying new, the SHO is cheaper; but buying used the MKS is actually cheaper (especially considiering equipment). at least that was my experience. i was more than happy to take advantage, but its really not a good thing that the MKS loses its value to such a degree.
also the MKS has the same power IIRC, when using premium. the 350 hp figure is when using 87 octane. the engine is the same, although the gearing can be different...
When I was shopping I really could've ended up with either. In my area the pricing was similar. The distinct advantage I saw with the lincoln is more sound deadening and the THX stereo.
absolutely man! i agree 100%! the THX system is ridiculously great, lol...
the MKS also feels a little 'tighter'/more solid to me, as far as rigidity is concerned (might be because of all the increased insulation thats adds a few hundred pounds to the MKS). but you also pay for it with a non-folding rearseat...
The non-folding rear seat was a real deal breaker for me. I would have went with the MKS if that was part of the options.
Haha yep, see attached :D
If I recall correctly that's about 20 2x4x8's, with just one seat folded down, trunk closed.
Quote from: BBOX on February 18, 2014, 05:00:02 PM
Quote from: DRII on February 18, 2014, 02:50:53 PM
Quote from: PokerMunkee on February 18, 2014, 01:08:30 PM
Finding that 2013 Lincoln MKS's can also be had for $30K or less. Mmm. Tempting. I'm 32 and think I'm too young for a Lincoln but I think the MKS looks pretty sporty. Decisions...
i'm in the same age range and sprung for the MKS over the SHO (2010). i personally like the styling of the MKS and there not as many out on the road, so you have a sense of exclusivity. and the car definitely looks sporty, as i have been challenged (and usually beat) by a number of drivers of BMWs, Acuras, Infinitis etc. so it must look the part to others as well.
the 2013 MKS also has the exclusive adjustable suspension and would look great with the right set of aftermarket wheels!
MKS brothers unite!
YEAH!!!!!!!!!
p.s. - no regrets at all either on my 2010 MKS Ecoboost.
I agree with Dave... best four doors out there now.
My son has a 2010 MKS, I have a 2013 SHO... the only differences we notice besides minor sheet metal treatments are the huge MKS sunroof (nice!), the adjustable suspension (sweet, but expensive shocks!), the seats may be better leather with more interior wrap (for the extra 10K MSRP it should be), and the THX certified sound system (definitely superior to the SHO... has one big sub in the rear deck, but still needs subwoofer improvement). Using the decimeter, admittedly in my phone, no apparent noise level differences. All the other options mentioned here... seats, etc, are on both cars.
Go either way ... you will be happy! I have no regrets on the purchase... nor does my son
Just remember though, if you want to go the fastest in an SHO, make sure to get the Performance Package.
Quote from: SRT82ECOBOOST on February 19, 2014, 12:45:41 PM
Just remember though, if you want to go the fastest in an SHO, make sure to get the Performance Package.
Actually, while I don't want to start this discussion again, I chose non-PP because I wanted adaptive cruise control (not available on the PP model) and the stock difference in performance was nothing a tune and a few mods wouldn't equalize... crash's SHO is non-PP, modded, and I believe the fastest show recorded and if it is in the top 3
I don't care about the final drive, different pads, and whatever else...
What I think should sell the PP is the cooling upgrades. Especially seeing as the ridiculously limited quantity of oil in the PTU seems to overheat near continuously.
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Quote from: PokerMunkee on February 18, 2014, 05:36:15 PM
Here are some 2013's I'm finding for around $30K. Found a couple under $30K that had "minor damage" reported under CarFax.
(I took out the list of cars or this would be a huge quote)
That silver one is an amazing deal, I would be all up on that. The black one is too much mileage in such a short period of time for my taste, my 2010 has only about 1500 more miles on it than that one, but that's just kind of personal preference. The middle one in the list appears to already be gone so I can't comment too much on it.
At 27, I don't feel too young to drive a Lincoln. I love my 2011 MKS with the EcoBoost Appearance Package. I did have a couple of minor issues when I first bought it, but they were covered by the warranty. They are also known problems, so there is a chance that they may have already been addressed if you buy used or buy a 2012+ car. For a car of its size, a SHO/MKS can moooooove!
Quote from: SRT82ECOBOOST on February 19, 2014, 09:00:32 AM
The non-folding rear seat was a real deal breaker for me. I would have went with the MKS if that was part of the options.
it is a sacrifice, but the MKS was worth it IMO.
I ordered my MKS in the Summer of 2009 and at that time, my dealer was not discounting the SHO nearly as much as the MKS ecoboost. There was not much difference in the final pricing. I had a Lincoln LS with charcoal interior and wanted a lighter color interior and no light color choice was available with the SHO.
The MKS suspension is not tuned quite a sporty as the SHO, either - even the SHO without the PP. That can be a positive or a negative depending upon your tastes. Here in the frozen tundra of Minneapolis where streets are full of potholes, frost heaves and assorted road kill, I prefer a little softer suspension.
Just not many 2013 SHO/MKS's around me for around $30K. I'll just have to be patient or buy a one way ticket once my lease is near the end.
Thanks all :D
Quote from: BBOX on February 19, 2014, 01:30:23 PM
Quote from: PokerMunkee on February 18, 2014, 05:36:15 PM
Here are some 2013's I'm finding for around $30K. Found a couple under $30K that had "minor damage" reported under CarFax.
(I took out the list of cars or this would be a huge quote)
That silver one is an amazing deal, I would be all up on that. The black one is too much mileage in such a short period of time for my taste, my 2010 has only about 1500 more miles on it than that one, but that's just kind of personal preference. The middle one in the list appears to already be gone so I can't comment too much on it.
I wouldn't necessarily mind a lot of mileage in a short timeframe, because that means it likely didn't see a lot of city driving.
lol, love the $hit talking!
How do the steering wheel buttons work for presets and channel surfing in satellite radio?
I read some review that it was a two button operation to go through presets?
Quote from: PokerMunkee on February 21, 2014, 09:57:37 AM
How do the steering wheel buttons work for presets and channel surfing in satellite radio?
I read some review that it was a two button operation to go through presets?
On my '13 SHO, within the band you have currently selected, the 6 presets toggle by pressing the search button on the right side of the steering wheel upward.
Can't find any fully loaded '13 Deep Impact Blue SHOs. Must not be many of them made. Do you guys like this color in person? Looks good in videos/pictures.
Quote from: PokerMunkee on February 21, 2014, 12:47:31 PM
Can't find any fully loaded '13 Deep Impact Blue SHOs. Must not be many of them made. Do you guys like this color in person? Looks good in videos/pictures.
The color really pops. I think you're right, that like Kona blue not many produced... '13 SHO build numbers should be available in March.
I am not seeing the pp with much an advantage. I raced a 13 pp with more work than me that was turning 12.84 to my 12.91. He has some exhaust work and the livernois stage whatever the hell + 93 fancy blah blah and I have stock exhaust with torries 93 tune. This was also my first visit to the track... And I have about 30k miles over him as well...
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Oh and he has summer tires and I am on all seasons.
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Is the Adaptive CC/Collision Warning worth it?
I mainly want sunroof, multicontour seats, 20" flowers, and voice navi. Undecided if PP is worth it. Definitely don't want summer tires, so hopefully original owner replaced them.
My SHO is 402A plus everything else (wheels,etc) Ford would put on it. I love ACC in traffic and use it every day (you can always accelerate while it's on) and I can say the same for collision avoidance which has saved my bacon a couple of times when I was distracted or some fool cut me off at 75mph! You can disable both. ...and yea, definitely get one that will give you back and butt massage on road trips. I love the voice nav... Easy and let's me focus on driving and not directions.
Quote from: BiGMaC on February 21, 2014, 02:34:22 PM
My SHO is 402A plus everything else (wheels,etc) Ford would put on it. I love ACC in traffic and use it every day (you can always accelerate while it's on) and I can say the same for collision avoidance which has saved my bacon a couple of times when I was distracted or some fool cut me off at 75mph! You can disable both. ...and yea, definitely get one that will give you back and butt massage on road trips. I love the voice nav... Easy and let's me focus on driving and not directions.
I have always been a anti FORD guy until i drove my 10 SHO non PP. I traded my G8 GT with 32k miles for it. I miss the raw V8 but this thing s&*%s and gets. Megan coil overs and some nice wheels really set it off. BiGMaC is right. The ACC saved me multiple times. It just sucks when you have it on going down the street and the car brakes hard because of someone jumping in front of you. The only thing i hate about the car is the material of the seats and how its put together. Other than that, its awesome.
Another noob question. Does the collision system use radar and cause a radar detector to go off constantly?
Found my almost perfect SHO:
http://www.carmart360.com/VehicleDetails/used-2013-Ford-Taurus-4dr_Sdn_SHO_AWD-Billings-MT/2070039263 (http://www.carmart360.com/VehicleDetails/used-2013-Ford-Taurus-4dr_Sdn_SHO_AWD-Billings-MT/2070039263)
Very odd it has all options (no PP) but they didn't check the box for the $700 20" wheels.
Those are the 19" wheels.
NO RAGRATS
Car has exceeded my expectations. Big improvement over my 2000 model.
i love playing the car down to people who havnt seen one before. Just today i worked with a guy i was like i got a 4 year old taurus and they think it will be the 20008 gen and lame. then they hop in there like wow lol. thats not even showing them the best part.
A few more questions... didn't find answers when searching.
1. Can the LED fog lights be programmed to act like a DRL? I read on a Taurus forum someone had this done to a newer Limited model.
2. Does the new MFT system read and send text messages? Does this work well?
3. Does the remote start turn on the heated/vented seats for both seats or just driver? Is there an outside temperature setting it's based on? Does the heated steering wheel also turn on?
1. I have no idea. Sorry
2. Yes it does, but not with an iPhone. It will only read messages with an iPhone not send them. But I use SIRI for that right on the iPhone.
3. Yes to all of this. Both front seats will heat/cool with the remote start. Steering well will also be heated. And yes, it is outside temp based. You can change all this in the settings menu.
Awesome.... thanks!
Here is the thread I was talking about enabling the DRLs:
http://www.blueovalforums.com/forums/index.php?/topic/52063-daytime-running-lamps/ (http://www.blueovalforums.com/forums/index.php?/topic/52063-daytime-running-lamps/)
QuoteWell, dealer surprised me and gave me a call about this. Took it in, they did an update on the Sync system AND, turned the DRL's on. Simply a 'check or uncheck' procedure.
No charge since it was hooked up for the update already. Otherwise he said they probably would have charged me $20 or $25 bucks.
I can't believe the LED strips aren't used as DRLs by default. They should be on all the time, not just when the headlights are on. Would be nice if the dealer could enable them easily.
Quote from: SHO MAN on February 28, 2014, 08:15:45 AM
1. I have no idea. Sorry
2. Yes it does, but not with an iPhone. It will only read messages with an iPhone not send them. But I use SIRI for that right on the iPhone.
3. Yes to all of this. Both front seats will heat/cool with the remote start. Steering well will also be heated. And yes, it is outside temp based. You can change all this in the settings menu.
RE: Question #2 - It depends - if your device is on the Ford Supported list YES, otherwise NO. If you have a newer Android - probably not. It worked fine for me with my old DroidX, but when I upgraded to a Galaxy Nexus no joy, same with my wife and her Expedition - Droid3 = Yes, Samsung Note 2 = No.
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Quote from: SHO MAN on February 28, 2014, 08:15:45 AM
1. I have no idea. Sorry
2. Yes it does, but not with an iPhone. It will only read messages with an iPhone not send them. But I use SIRI for that right on the iPhone.
3. Yes to all of this. Both front seats will heat/cool with the remote start. Steering well will also be heated. And yes, it is outside temp based. You can change all this in the settings menu.
RE: Question #2 - It depends - if your device is on the Ford Supported list YES, otherwise NO. If you have a newer Android - probably not. It worked fine for me with my old DroidX, but when I upgraded to a Galaxy Nexus no joy, same with my wife and her Expedition - Droid3 = Yes, Samsung Note 2 = No.
I have the a Samsung Galaxy Note 2 and I can receive and send text messages without any problems.
Quote from: PokerMunkee on February 28, 2014, 12:35:34 AM
A few more questions... didn't find answers when searching.
2. Does the new MFT system read and send text messages? Does this work well?
It does not with the iPhone and is disabled when you are moving otherwise...BUT ...
Here's how to do it:
You push the home button on the iPhone to call up Siri... The iPhone will ask (through the radio speakers while muting other output) what you want... tell it to "read new text messages" and it will...Then you can answer by speaking to it through the car's microphone and speak your reply... then say send... Done! It's a nuisance to have to touch the phone, but better than trying to type while driving.
Interesting thread...lots of good conversation!
I've been told, that at 41, 'this seems like a very grown up car for you', ha.
Until I purchased the SHO, I haven't owned a new Ford since my first Taurus LX in 1997. It was a great car and my great aunt still drives it. My dad owned an '86 LX, a '93 LX, and a 2005 SE Taurus.
I grew up a Ford guy, but, always owned Subaru's. After the Toybaru merger, Subaru's have never been the same, so, I defected.
When looking at the SHO in 2010, I compared it against the Infiniti M, Hyundai Genesis, Acura TL, Cadillac CTS, Lexus GS. I didn't feel like the Infiniti would hold up well, looking at slightly used models at the dealer. The Hyundai was nice, but, I felt like it was dads car with the fancy clock in the dash. During the test drive of the TL, thru a curve/dip in the road, the windshield made a loud creak noise. The CTS was too small and the GS felt like an appliance. The SHO won my personal comparison.
I love my SHO, even after 4 years. I had most of the 2010 issues, but, all were addressed by Ford within the first 8 months with TSB's. Yes, I'd buy another, in a heart beat.
Regarding the Sync texting feature, only a few phones are compliant with the bluetooth stack that is required. When Google purchased Motorola a few years ago, Google changed the stack and failed to include the bluetooth MAP profile that is required for this functionality. They rolled out those updates to phones. That is why many reported that it 'used to work'. My current phone, the Razr M, will send and receive text via Sync.
My SHO doesn't have the heated steering wheel as that wasn't available until 2013. That would have been nice this winter. But, its loaded with everything else. I still get comments from co-workers that they cannot believe it is a Ford.
Its a fun car, loaded with luxury, and fun, to occasionally surprise the BMW guys at the stoplights.
Quote from: PokerMunkee on February 28, 2014, 12:35:34 AM
A few more questions... didn't find answers when searching.
1. Can the LED fog lights be programmed to act like a DRL? I read on a Taurus forum someone had this done to a newer Limited model.
Sort of. I used a relay to turn on my parking lights (and the LEDs) every time the ignition starts. Very simple to do if you understand basic 12volt wiring.
The 13 and 14s look so good with the parking lights and LEDs on.
To the op. Loved my SHO so much, we bought her sister the x sport for the wife. Love everything about these cars, sync included.
My only regret is that I traded in my 06 Mustang Convertible for the SHO. I should have kept the Mustang and got the SHO!
I have an Ingot Silver 11 with the 20 inch wheels. Its been an amazing car, superior to the Mustang in about all areas. Its amazing how flat it corners and handles. Kiddos love the heated back seats. The nav in the 11 works well but I think I need to update the data. Sync works great, no issues with that.
I was really surprised when I had it out in the snow. It had great traction with the stock Michelins.
No complaints or regrets (except that I have car payments now!!) :D
I was waiting to see what the 2015 Charger changes brought and they discontinued the R/T AWD, so that's out. Like the other changes though.
I have yet to drive a SHO. No used ones for sale locally (Colorado Springs), and only one '13 in Denver. I have time though, so not in a rush. I will check out the '15 WRX but I keep coming back to the SHO. It's rare, it's loaded with my must haves, and can be fast with just a tune (it's "quick" in stock form).
My short list:
2013+ SHO ($30K)
2011 BMW 335xi (CPO $30K) - Never owned/driven a BMW, could be fun for a few years while under warranty
2012+ Infiniti G37x (CPO $29K) - Blah interior, limited on options. Like the looks.
2015 WRX Limited ($33K) - Has potential. Limited on options. Only comes with summer perf tires.
I really want turbos and I really want factory remote start and ventilated seats. That makes the SHO the only option alone.
I would think out of that list, the SHO would give you the most bang (or boost :D) for you buck. Nothing else offers the room, amenities or power at the price.
Id buy a SHO over again, but I would search for one WITHOUT active cruse control... Your one bastard ass raccoon away from not having any cruse control on your car what so ever with that system!
Best to drive one.... I'd buy a SHO again on a heartbeat... I love ACC and use it daily, others may not.... So different strokes... :beer2:
Jimmy, have bpd drive his SHO in front of yours for protection :D
My big regret was having to choose just one ecoboost vehicle. And I couldn't buy a sho flex and f 150
"No ragrets...."
"Not even one letter?"
"No"
We absolutely love our XSport...it's fun, fast, luxurious, and still ridiculously practical. If I could/had to change one thing though...it would be sync/MFT...not a fan. It works OK for what it is...but compared to import satnav and functionality, it sub par.
I like my new Explorer I wish there was somewhere to put my left leg bad design
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No regrets with my MKS. Wish I had gotten an ecoboost sooner! Wish the one I bought had adaptive cruise but I don't use the cruise enough for that to matter. The sport appearance package gives it exactly the foundation I have wanted for quite a while. Hoping to keep this car for a good long while.
No regrets with the SHO. It's a great car.
My qualms?
I miss high power/manual trans. In fact, the more I drive the SHO, the more I miss a manual.
The second is size/weight...
The SHO is a mammoth car. And while I can overlook it's heft, becasue of its speed and surprising agility, it's still a heck of a footprint. When I drive my CX-5 or especially the Neon, it's very refreshing to be able to whip into a tiny space, or between another car and median...
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Bought the car brand new with 4 mi,was very excited 2 months later a tick sound from front end,still not fully resolved,month later drivers seat noise like its loose or something,when stopping alittle squeak and minor grind from brakes,car has 9400mi,inside feels kind of cheap especially the dashboard.i always supported American pride,buy American drive American,lately the clock is ticking,forgot to mention the f1s are half gone,looking for tires soon.sorry for all the complints you spend close to 40k +taxes and interests fees =50k with no signal lights on outside door mirrors??????????????
Quote from: ZSHO on May 07, 2014, 04:53:59 PM
Bought the car brand new with 4 mi,was very excited 2 months later a tick sound from front end,still not fully resolved,month later drivers seat noise like its loose or something,when stopping alittle squeak and minor grind from brakes,car has 9400mi,inside feels kind of cheap especially the dashboard.i always supported American pride,buy American drive American,lately the clock is ticking,forgot to mention the f1s are half gone,looking for tires soon.sorry for all the complints you spend close to 40k +taxes and interests fees =50k with no signal lights on outside door mirrors??????????????
I actually put F1's on my car around 50K. Currently at 76K and still have 5/32nds of tread. So I should get 35-40K of use out of the tires. For 40K in the Euro market you're getting a C250, base 3 series, or A4. For the performance/options you can't touch a better car for the money. One car that has my interest is the Chevy SS. A little higher in price, but can be had next year with the manual trans and magnetic ride suspension.
Quote from: ZSHO on May 07, 2014, 04:53:59 PM
you spend close to 40k +taxes and interests fees =50k with no signal lights on outside door mirrors??????????????
You paid $40K!?... before taxes and fees??.... WOW!
and you haven't modded the turn signals you want...
I respect your opinion about modding the outside door mirrors,but you have cars half the price with that factory option included
Quote from: SHOdded on May 06, 2014, 09:02:11 PMJimmy, have bpd drive his SHO in front of yours for protection :D
Ha! Now that's funny......
As long as he can keep up with not only my car, but also my mad driving skills.....
Keeping in my wake is key! :drive:
Yup .... it's a minor thing but the SHO and MKS don't have turn signals integrated into the mirrors , yet the cheaper Fusion and MKZ have em ...... go figure .
Quote from: SwampRat on May 07, 2014, 10:33:27 PM
Yup .... it's a minor thing but the SHO and MKS don't have turn signals integrated into the mirrors , yet the cheaper Fusion and MKZ have em ...... go figure .
Don't forget the XSport! ;D
Quote from: JimiJak on May 08, 2014, 12:54:32 AM
Quote from: SwampRat on May 07, 2014, 10:33:27 PM
Yup .... it's a minor thing but the SHO and MKS don't have turn signals integrated into the mirrors , yet the cheaper Fusion and MKZ have em ...... go figure .
Don't forget the XSport! ;D
Does the XSport have em ?
Quote from: SwampRat on May 08, 2014, 01:23:01 AM
Quote from: JimiJak on May 08, 2014, 12:54:32 AM
Quote from: SwampRat on May 07, 2014, 10:33:27 PM
Yup .... it's a minor thing but the SHO and MKS don't have turn signals integrated into the mirrors , yet the cheaper Fusion and MKZ have em ...... go figure .
Don't forget the XSport! ;D
Does the XSport have em ?
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-r58BVH-Ta_Q/U2aEmBi7BAI/AAAAAAAAEFM/nxgxYcjh0mA/w782-h520-no/DSC_0235.JPG)
They're not all smoked and polished...but these are! ;)
Why all the buzz about lights in the mirrors?? That is pretty much absent from my list of wants and needs, regardless of MSRP.
Guys don't get me wrong,i love the car that's why my wife hates me,its just those few issues with the front end and etc,The other day went to the dealer for a complimentary oil change,while waiting was checking out a fusion the car felt more solid,especially the sheet metal,spoke with the service manager regarding that he smiled and said on the sho they to compensate on the sheet metal because the car is so heavy,if the sheet metal was more durable car will weigh about 5,000,no regrets here.
I'm young but I prefer a simple cars give me power and traction. Remote start and heated seats steering wheel and I'm happy. I do like the blis system though does work good
Quote from: ZSHO on May 07, 2014, 10:05:06 PM
I respect your opinion about modding the outside door mirrors,but you have cars half the price with that factory option included
And you also have cars that cost $15K+ more than don't actually have cooled seats or a heated rear seat. E class have ventilated front seats not a/c. Also no heated rear seat.
I assure the steel on you SHO is other same gauge steal as any other. I know on the fusion ford has begun to play with thiner steel. But this only being used on the roof. But typical sheet metal thickness is .30 the fusion roof is .25.
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Quote from: crash712us on May 08, 2014, 12:49:36 PM
I assure the steel on you SHO is other same gauge steal as any other. I know on the fusion ford has begun to play with thiner steel. But this only being used on the roof. But typical sheet metal thickness is .30 the fusion roof is .25.
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hasn't the 2015 F-150 gone to aluminum even?
Can anyone tell me why all cars aren't aluminum?
Traditionally, the reasons were that aluminum is not as crush resistant or rust-resistant as steel, despite the obvious weight savings advantage. Not to mention that iron is just a tad bit more abundant than aluminum. Even now, we want T304 stainless steel piping on our exhaust systems rather than galvanized aluminum. I guess with advances in safety engineering and environmental protection techniques, it is more feasible now to use Al instead of Fe-Ni. Body shapes are also more complicated, and aluminum is easier to shape than steel. Weight savings = better mpg = happier EPA. IMHO.
Yes the new f150 is supposed to be made of aluminum. Why all car are not? That's a tough question, and I am sure we will see more and more car that will be made of aluminum in the future. But aluminum is a whole nother animal, how it's formed welded is much different than steel. My thought is why ford didn't the truck 1st is purely EPA rating as the ford tuck is a big part of there sales it's also a large impact on there fleet EPA rating. Big changes is headed for the automotive industry. As I think by 2020 car manufactures fleet EPA ratings has to be like 45-50mpg.
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I think they quoted 700 pounds lighter which is incredible. An aluminum bodied SHO would be nice!
I was disappointed the new '15 Charger won't have AWD in the R/T trim. Only available on the V6, boo.
So, for $30K, you can get:
- 2013 Taurus SHO - Best value. No other car has the options and power.
- 2013 Charger R/T AWD - Similar options to the SHO, no turbo.
- 2013 Infiniti G37x (CPO) - Pretty blah. No turbo, no remote start, no cooled seats, no heated wheel, etc etc. Gotta bump up to M37x/56x for more options, but seem like grandpa cars.
- 2011 BMW 335xi (CPO) - Fast, tuneable, nice AWD system, awesome handling. Not a lot of options, not even a backup camera. $$ to maintain/repair. Small.
- 2011 Lexus IS350 AWD - Nice interior, exterior styling a little feminine for me. No turbo, small.
- 2012 Acura TL SH-AWD - Nice interior, nice AWD system. No turbo, no remote start.
- 2015 Subaru WRX Limited (New) - Tempting, awesome resale value, not a lot of options/luxury obviously.
- 2015 Audi A3 (New) - Base 1.8T. Might be able to get a 2.0T Quattro for low $30s. Small.
A lot of options. I have a lot of test driving to do. So far leaning towards a new WRX or a used 2013 SHO. The WRX will have to be really fun to drive to bypass all of the luxury and toys on the SHO.
Anyone raced a 335xi? I would think if both tuned, the 335xi will have a slight edge. I think they do 12.5 in the 1/4.
Quote from: PokerMunkee on May 09, 2014, 09:24:51 AM
I was disappointed the new '15 Charger won't have AWD in the R/T trim. Only available on the V6, boo.
So, for $30K, you can get:
- 2013 Taurus SHO - Best value. No other car has the options and power.
- 2013 Charger R/T AWD - Similar options to the SHO, no turbo.
- 2013 Infiniti G37x (CPO) - Pretty blah. No turbo, no remote start, no cooled seats, no heated wheel, etc etc. Gotta bump up to M37x/56x for more options, but seem like grandpa cars.
- 2011 BMW 335xi (CPO) - Fast, tuneable, nice AWD system, awesome handling. Not a lot of options, not even a backup camera. $$ to maintain/repair. Small.
- 2011 Lexus IS350 AWD - Nice interior, exterior styling a little feminine for me. No turbo, small.
- 2012 Acura TL SH-AWD - Nice interior, nice AWD system. No turbo, no remote start.
- 2015 Subaru WRX Limited (New) - Tempting, awesome resale value, not a lot of options/luxury obviously.
- 2015 Audi A3 (New) - Base 1.8T. Might be able to get a 2.0T Quattro for low $30s. Small.
A lot of options. I have a lot of test driving to do. So far leaning towards a new WRX or a used 2013 SHO. The WRX will have to be really fun to drive to bypass all of the luxury and toys on the SHO.
The value proposition of a lightly used SHO/MKS/Flex is hard to beat. I did all the options and research back in 2013 and the SHO for me came out way on top. Fullsize, options, performance, mpg's, etc. etc.
What???
regarding the Charger and AWD only for the V6 for the 2015 model.
Chrysler finally beat the SHO (Interceptor) at the track during police testing with their new Pursuit model and upgraded AWD system. The Charger RT (track pack) is the basis of the Pursuit police model, just like the SHO-PP is very similar to the police Interceptor.
Why would Chrysler not put their new and improved AWD on the 8 models ???
makes little sense...
Quote from: DRII on May 09, 2014, 01:53:05 PM
What???
regarding the Charger and AWD only for the V6 for the 2015 model.
Chrysler finally beat the SHO (Interceptor) at the track during police testing with their new Pursuit model and upgraded AWD system. The Charger RT (track pack) is the basis of the Pursuit police model, just like the SHO-PP is very similar to the police Interceptor.
Why would Chrysler not put their new and improved AWD on the 8 models ???
makes little sense...
Yeah, don't get it. Must have been a volume thing. I really like the changes in the '15 Charger too, sucks :(
Not a fan of the new design, looks like a full size Dart now.
Quote from: DRII on May 09, 2014, 01:53:05 PM
What???
regarding the Charger and AWD only for the V6 for the 2015 model.
Chrysler finally beat the SHO (Interceptor) at the track during police testing with their new Pursuit model and upgraded AWD system. The Charger RT (track pack) is the basis of the Pursuit police model, just like the SHO-PP is very similar to the police Interceptor.
Why would Chrysler not put their new and improved AWD on the 8 models ???
makes little sense...
I got stuck behind a Charger Police car this morning - with Manufacturer plates! Everyone was slowing down for him. Nobody knew he wasn't a cop. Ugh.
Quote from: DRII on May 09, 2014, 01:53:05 PM
What???
regarding the Charger and AWD only for the V6 for the 2015 model.
Chrysler finally beat the SHO (Interceptor) at the track during police testing with their new Pursuit model and upgraded AWD system. The Charger RT (track pack) is the basis of the Pursuit police model, just like the SHO-PP is very similar to the police Interceptor.
Why would Chrysler not put their new and improved AWD on the 8 models ???
makes little sense...
Because it doesn't work right yet?.... and they are gonna let the taxpayer and LEOs do the beta testing?
Looks aside, now that that wretched 5 speed auto is gone on the 8 cylinder optioned cars, and the 8 speed is in, it's a slick car.
Personally, I think it looks fresh. Awesome car overall.
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