Took the car down and we started trying to tune it myself (with a friend's help), we ran into an issue with not knowing how to change to 3 bar map sensor but we'll figure that out tomorrow. I used Torrie's tune I had in the car previously and adjusted fueling in the aux injector controller. The first pull the ECU limited the torque to 500 and boost to 15PSI. The car rewarded us on 15psi at 505 HP!!!! 15 PSI!!!!! I knew it felt fast but HEY!
You can see the car limiting the torque to 500 FLAT as a pancake.
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http://youtu.be/W-DGoA-COYM (http://youtu.be/W-DGoA-COYM)
In my previous dyno's I knew that if I unhooked the factory boost controller that I could get more boost so we did that. The car rewarded us with 23PSI on wastegate spring.
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The car has another 5-10PSI available to it once I get everything figured out. We rolled into the throttle at 3K RPM and got a nice pull.
http://youtu.be/9KWNQ7i-F-E (http://youtu.be/9KWNQ7i-F-E)
Videos are uploading now should be done in 5-10 minuts
Congratulations Mike! You have unleashed the Beast!
WOW...... What a thing of beauty. Well done :clap2:
Very nice. Can't wait to see the final numbers.
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WOW!!! That's incredible!
You have me completely questioning the direction of my build.
That's awesome! Nice work.
Congrats!!! Were you on 100 octane or E85? Any idea in how much difference there is in the boost ramp up with these turbos compared to the stockers or the stockers with upgraded wheel? Also, were you running meth?
E85, no more gasoline for me unless on long trips I'll just go back to stock and run 91 octane. :) No meth on this car.
This picture shows the boost lines, I don't have a stock boost line graph unfortunately.
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Gotta love the Corn Juice!!! How did the timing look with the tune you were running? I'm sure there weren't any signs of knock due to the fact that E85 is nearly detonation proof.
Quote from: 05yellowgt on September 25, 2013, 10:00:43 AM
Gotta love the Corn Juice!!! How did the timing look with the tune you were running? I'm sure there weren't any signs of knock due to the fact that E85 is nearly detonation proof.
23 degrees across the board, we think there's a bit more there as well. :)
Totally different application but my 05 mustang made the best power at 23degrees on E85. That was with 27psi of boost via an F1A Procharger. We just made 3 runs at a given timing, let the car get back to a baseline operating temperature, upped the timing another degree and repeated till the power started to fall off and then backed back down to the previous timing. I Regret that I wasn't about to get the stock heads, cams, and intake manifold upgraded before I finished that built. 715rwhp was awesome, but I feel I would have been a little north of 900rwhp if I had done the other upgrades. Car is long gone now, so the Flex and now the F150 are my "performance" fixes for now.
Quote from: 4DRHTRD on September 25, 2013, 09:54:35 AM
E85, no more gasoline for me unless on long trips I'll just go back to stock and run 91 octane. :) No meth on this car.
This picture shows the boost lines, I don't have a stock boost line graph unfortunately.
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-tP03sj6S41c/UkJltCGUd5I/AAAAAAADXjU/ritQm-YXTYM/w1526-h860-no/2013-09-24+20.14.42.jpg)
Mike: That is crazy power!!! More than 550whp, that represents what? At least 700hp!!! Wow! If you can put that power to the ground, that Flex is supposed to run in the 11's easily... That run wasn't with nitrous right? With nitrous, you could see 10's!
Incredible... Good job!
Is there going to be any chance of running the ATP turbos on 91 octane without methanol? Do they also require an auxiliary fuel system upgrade?
Quote from: SRT82ECOBOOST on September 25, 2013, 11:48:31 AM
Is there going to be any chance of running the ATP turbos on 91 octane without methanol? Do they also require an auxiliary fuel system upgrade?
Sure you'll just be limited to the amount of boost you can run.
Quote from: 4DRHTRD on September 25, 2013, 11:50:41 AM
Quote from: SRT82ECOBOOST on September 25, 2013, 11:48:31 AM
Is there going to be any chance of running the ATP turbos on 91 octane without methanol? Do they also require an auxiliary fuel system upgrade?
Sure you'll just be limited to the amount of boost you can run.
So you would hit the same HP via methanol or larger turbos as the fuel starts to run out on the OEM fuel system?
Meth = fuel, more fuel = more power. You can also run additional timing on meth so it's a win/win scenario.
Eventually you'll run out of fuel though that's a matter of debate between the Livernois guys and everyone else. :)
There are really two ways that Meth injection can be used. It can be used as: A) purely as a tool to reduce the air charge temperature, or B) it can be used as an air charge reduce AND a fuel supplement. Both result in higher power numbers than without the Meth injection. If it is used as method B, then there can be some danger if something happens to the Methanol injection system (run out of meth, pump fails, etc).
If it were me preparing for upgrades and increases of power, I would go with the upgraded turbos now, run them within the limits of the OEM fuel system and then upgrade the OEM fuel system and take advantage of the larger capability turbos.
Since you are talking about 91 octane, that might change the picture a little bit as the Meth can be used in Method A, to allow more power to be made than what 91 alone can support. I hope to go down the E85 path, if that can ever be done with the DI fuel system only.
I wish I had something to add to all of this, but unfortunately I am more of a questions guy at this point of the game. Just for the sake of discussion, if someone had all the supporting mods available from intake to exhaust with appropriate tuning, what do you guess could be wrung out with the ATP turbos on the stock fuel system for HP/TQ numbers? Will meth injection get you to the same place?
Well based off Darrelli making 430ish HP on upgraded compressor wheels with stock fueling and meth I'd say on 91 probably around 380ish. Remember I was just on 2.5" catted downpipes and stock exhaust minus 3rd cat. A simple air filter upgrade would suffice.
So
Turbos $2200
Downpipes $600-$850 depending on catted or catless
Air Filter $50
Tuning and Tuner $500ish
That would put you solidly in the low 12's with little effort.
Add some meth and the power would be there for 11's.
Let's not forget the 2 to 3 grand labor to install those pieces. Maybe more...
How much do you have in the E85 auxilliary fuel system with everything, Mike?
Man i cant wait for a drop in hpfp that can flow enough for these turbo's without having to run any AUX fueling and handle E85. Hopefully we are only a year or two out as the DISI 2.3 in the mazda took a bit to get a HPFP
EDIT as i am sure we will start running into injector flow issues once that has happened? i am surprised the injectors have kept up so far.
I know this thread is a little old but I was still hoping to get some info.
Lets say my goal was to hit 400awhp with a Ford Flex while running only 91/93 octane pump gas. Would that be doable?
Other then upgrading the turbos, exhaust, intake, what else would I need? Will I need to upgrade the fuel system? How would I go about doing this when the stock EcoBoost motor uses a mechanical fuel pump?
If there is a way to upgrade the fuel system, and lets say I do it, what would be the maximum I could now aim for on 91/93 octane?
I'm looking at picking up a Ford Flex EcoBoost and was trying to set aside a budget on mods after I buy it (Budget for vehicle is $30k CAD used, current budget for mod is $5k-$7k CAD, or roughly $5600 USD)
You could get up to 350-360 awhp easily with tune + 93 octane + downpipes + T-stat. Then add methanol injection and/or the upgraded turbos to get to 400 awhp or beyond.
http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,808 (http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,808)
I agree with basically with all the above mentioned but to a certain degree cause unfortunetly sometimes the labor will exceed the actual costs of just the products alone and then some,personaly would contact Mike.B at info@ecopowerparts.com and with his knowledge in the flex field,he will definetly SHO you the right way to go and get the most bang for your buck,and best of luck to you. Z