• Welcome to Ecoboost Performance Forum. Please log in or sign up.
collapse

802SHO 2010 Build

Started by 802SHO, April 30, 2019, 12:37:54 PM

Previous topic - Next topic

ZSHO

#315
Need to get the ball rolling on a Patent  ;)  New Topic Discussions are always welcomed. Z  :)


2013 Performance Package SHO| Livernois Custom Methanol Tune|3-Bar Map|Reische-170-Stat|Full Race Tial-10psi BOV in Black|PPE-Gloss Black Hot Pipes|EPP Dual Intake in Gloss Black|PPE Catted DP|Corsa Sport Cat Back Exhaust|H&R Sport-Springs|CFM Performance Billet Valve Cover Breather In Gloss Black|Llumar 20%Ceramic window Tint|MSD Ignition Coils in Black|Extreme Roof Spoiler|Redline Fluids all around|Gearhead Intercooler|First-SHO With Direct Port Alky-VP-M1-100%-Methanol Injection|LMS-Custom-Dyno-Tuned @ 415whp-465wtq| Best Trap Speed of 115.54 mph|

MrCRKLPOP


802SHO

Quote from: MrCRKLPOP on December 16, 2019, 06:20:25 AM
Quote from: 802SHO on August 08, 2019, 06:10:24 AM
Cleaned her up a little.

man goals for my 11 nicely done

Thank you for reviving my thread as I need to get it back up to date before the year ends. 
IG @802SHO 2010 SHO non PP, Tuned by AJP Turbo, 109 Octane + VP C85 for E30, Ported GH Gen 3 upgraded turbos, Ported 13+ Exhaust Manifolds, Custom FM IC TreadStone TR10C, EPP Hot Pipes, EPP Dual CAI, XDI35 HPFP, Deatschwerks 300C LPFP, Alky Control Methonal Injection, Alky dual nozzle upgrade, Zex Nitrous dual dry shots, Dicunzolo Gen2 torque mounts, MSD Coils, SP542 .026, 160 T, 3bar, Phenolic Spacer, Braille Lightweight Battery, Kirky Lightweight Racing Driver Seat, Catless Downpipes, custom stainless 2.5" double xpipe w/muffler deletes 4" quad tips, UPR Dual Valve Catch Can, 13+ PP Trans Cooler, Econoaid throttle Body Booster, Bravado Tribute 20x9.5 + 32 offset Wheels, Nitto NT555R Front Tires, Continental Extreme Contact DW Rear Tires and all are 275/35/20, H&R Springs all around w/rear cut 1/2", 1" hubcentric wheel spacers m14 1.5 stud/lug conversion, R1 Concepts Geomet slotted/drilled rotors with Heavy Duty Semi Metallic pads, Aeroforce Interceptor Gauge.
Currently World's Fastest Ecoboost SHO
11.063 @ 123.17 MPH!  NED 10/10/20

SM105K

"M" 2013 SHO PP | AJPTurbo E30 Tune | FS HPFP | Stock IC with Ice Water DIY Sprayer | PPE Downpipes | Custom Magnaflow Resonator | 3rd Cat Delete | Derale Upgraded Trans Cooler | Dicunzolo Gen2 Trans Mounts| EPP Noisemaker Eliminator | MSD Coil Over Plugs | SP-542's | UPR Dual Valve Catch Can | K&N Drop In | Power Stop Slotted and Drilled Rotors with Stock PP Pads | H&R Springs  | AVS Flush Deflector | 802SHO Custom Splitter | Duraflex Chin Spoiler | Curva Concept C7's | Continental DWS06 Extreme Contact Rubber | 411 HP and 546 TQ |

"The Fukus" 2013 Focus ST | Boomba BOV | FSWerks Short Shifter | Power Stop Brakes | Continental DWS06 Extreme Contact Rubber |

802SHO

#319
The next phase for my SHO, recommended by Easton (SM105K) was installing some Nitrous to lower IAT2 temps to battle Summer temps/DA at the strip.  I purchased a Zex Safe Shot Nitrous kit.  The kit itself comes with a 5lb Bottle, all lines you'll need, activation button, Toggle Switch to arm the Solenoid, the Solenoid and 5 jets ranging in HP shots of 15, 20, 25, 30 and 35. 

I installed the kit myself and used a scrap piece of ABS plastic to mount my Toggle Switch and Activation button that I secured with 3M tape.  I prefer to avoid drilling holes when possible.  I installed the Bottle in the trunk where the spare tire goes, ran my line under the car, in some of the frame and up into the engine bay, mounted the Solenoid avove the fan, and tapped into my IC to TB pipe just after the IC clamps and before my Meth Nozzles. 

I started with the 15 shot jet.  Unlike the meth nozzles, the jets can be easily changed/swapped to alternative jet sizes.  I checked with my tuner (AJPTurbo) for the "Go Ahead" confirmation and took her out.  Just before leaving, I started my SHO with the hood open, trunk open, opened the valve on the Bottle, checked for Frost(leak)...tiny bit from line connection on Bottle, closed valve, tightened, checked again..Good! 

Started with a 15 shot but ended up going completely nuts with a 75 shot.  From my Experience, I was really happy with the 35 shot, it lowered my IAT2 Dramatically with Methonal.  By as much as 50° in a single pull.

IG @802SHO 2010 SHO non PP, Tuned by AJP Turbo, 109 Octane + VP C85 for E30, Ported GH Gen 3 upgraded turbos, Ported 13+ Exhaust Manifolds, Custom FM IC TreadStone TR10C, EPP Hot Pipes, EPP Dual CAI, XDI35 HPFP, Deatschwerks 300C LPFP, Alky Control Methonal Injection, Alky dual nozzle upgrade, Zex Nitrous dual dry shots, Dicunzolo Gen2 torque mounts, MSD Coils, SP542 .026, 160 T, 3bar, Phenolic Spacer, Braille Lightweight Battery, Kirky Lightweight Racing Driver Seat, Catless Downpipes, custom stainless 2.5" double xpipe w/muffler deletes 4" quad tips, UPR Dual Valve Catch Can, 13+ PP Trans Cooler, Econoaid throttle Body Booster, Bravado Tribute 20x9.5 + 32 offset Wheels, Nitto NT555R Front Tires, Continental Extreme Contact DW Rear Tires and all are 275/35/20, H&R Springs all around w/rear cut 1/2", 1" hubcentric wheel spacers m14 1.5 stud/lug conversion, R1 Concepts Geomet slotted/drilled rotors with Heavy Duty Semi Metallic pads, Aeroforce Interceptor Gauge.
Currently World's Fastest Ecoboost SHO
11.063 @ 123.17 MPH!  NED 10/10/20

802SHO

After my datalog with the 35 shot I went to the strip August 30th and met up with Tim(ShoNoff) in his Edge Sport.  My plan was to do a couple runs without Nitrous to beat my 11.89 that I ran (1 out of 2 runs) earlier, confident I could do better than the 11.89. 

Well, when I arrived to the track at 8pm, it was closed down, break down after break down and the track closed at 10pm.  I was finally getting close to the starting line about 9:30pm and all plans of trying to beat my 11.89 without nitrous went out the window.  I was worried I wouldn't get a chance to see what the 35 shot would do, so I went for it. 

I snagged an 11.690 @ 120 against a Pontiac G8, with cams and MT Drag Radials.  He ran an 11.75.  Close race and he was a cool dude, I chatted it up while we waited forever in the staging lanes.  I was cars ahead in the right lane, just worked out that we ran at the same time.  I was like....oh great...him.?  But the SHO pulled ahead and stayed there.  He out 60ft me but my reaction was faster. 

I then hot lapped it hoping for one more and got to go against a modded Subaru STI.  Again I was out 60ft there as well, but the SHO again pulled ahead and kept her pace.  STI was right behind me though in my blind spot.  He missed 4th then let off too soon running a 12.5 to my 11.8.  I had him though, wish he didn't miss 4th it would have been closer.  My 60ft was horrible. 

Second time to the strip and a grand total of only 4 runs.  Not ideal by any means.  I'd like to do at least 4 a trip.  I've done as much as 9 runs in a single trip.  So 2 runs a trip wasn't sufficient to me to leave thinking I did my best for the night.

Video from that night.  https://youtu.be/B85FFJku83s
IG @802SHO 2010 SHO non PP, Tuned by AJP Turbo, 109 Octane + VP C85 for E30, Ported GH Gen 3 upgraded turbos, Ported 13+ Exhaust Manifolds, Custom FM IC TreadStone TR10C, EPP Hot Pipes, EPP Dual CAI, XDI35 HPFP, Deatschwerks 300C LPFP, Alky Control Methonal Injection, Alky dual nozzle upgrade, Zex Nitrous dual dry shots, Dicunzolo Gen2 torque mounts, MSD Coils, SP542 .026, 160 T, 3bar, Phenolic Spacer, Braille Lightweight Battery, Kirky Lightweight Racing Driver Seat, Catless Downpipes, custom stainless 2.5" double xpipe w/muffler deletes 4" quad tips, UPR Dual Valve Catch Can, 13+ PP Trans Cooler, Econoaid throttle Body Booster, Bravado Tribute 20x9.5 + 32 offset Wheels, Nitto NT555R Front Tires, Continental Extreme Contact DW Rear Tires and all are 275/35/20, H&R Springs all around w/rear cut 1/2", 1" hubcentric wheel spacers m14 1.5 stud/lug conversion, R1 Concepts Geomet slotted/drilled rotors with Heavy Duty Semi Metallic pads, Aeroforce Interceptor Gauge.
Currently World's Fastest Ecoboost SHO
11.063 @ 123.17 MPH!  NED 10/10/20

802SHO

Next up was buying a .32 Jet for a 50 shot, also a bottle pressure gauge.  In speaking with Jordan, he suggested I swap my tire/wheel set up around to try and get a better 60ft.  I had never thought of that.  I have 245/40 front and 275/35 rear.  So I put the 275's up front and the 245's in the rear.  I left the spacers on, and the 275's up front looked tough!  Did some datalogs with 50, looked good.  Brad liked that my spark was 18-20 with big turbo, meth and nitrous. 

Took the SHO back to the track Oct 5th.  My friend joined in the fun starting at 5am that Saturday.  For being such a trooper I offered him a chance to drive, he accepted.  I had high hopes for him, being about 50 lbs lighter than me.  He never drive my car before, let alone a SHO. 

At the track we hoped to buy ice but they were all out.  We took turns me going first.  Weighed the car as well with my friend in it, weighed in at 4450.  So that's 4500 with me in it. 

First out I ran an 11.63.  Very loud exhaust backfire into 3rd.  Never heard that before.  My freind was next up, he ran an 11.70 and more backfiring.  Hmmm.  I didn't bring my laptop to datalog.  We swapped jets to a .38 Jet I assumed was a 75 shot, it wasn't, that's a .40 Jet.  So maybe it was a 65 shot?  I ran an 11.52 being the 3rd person to break the longest standing record of 11.54 by the one and only BPD 1151 and he did it with stock IC, fuel pump and all motor.  Ryan Spencer first beat it with an 11.525.  Jordan was the 2nd man to beat it with an 11.38.  I was one hundredth slower than Ryan at an 11.526.  Still, monumental goal accomplished and the car felt like she stopped pulling just shy of the finish line, still running but not pulling and I crossed the finish lime at 118, the slowest of all my runs for the day.  The backfiring, the car losing power...my miles to Empty was 6 after that run.  No longer worried about how it was acting, I realized "I'm out of fuel, literally". 

I purchased two gallons of 105 at the fuel shack.  My friend gave it a go and ran an 11.57!  He was having a blast.  Then I said, "Let's go for it!"

We took my seats out and weighed it again, this time with me sitting in it, 4350.  Let her cool down, (hood open) then took a crack at Jordan's first Record 11.38, by now he had already beat that with an 11.21? 

All of my runs were against no one.  The last one I did, the 11.52 I sat there for 6 seconds...just really wanted a good launch.  I did the same again.  Took my time and let her rip to an 11.39 @ 123!  Man she was running!  After that I decided lets call it a day, drove home happier than a pig in $hit.  Of course still wishing I did better.  Lol! 

Video from that day.  https://youtu.be/J7HGWRYmp74
IG @802SHO 2010 SHO non PP, Tuned by AJP Turbo, 109 Octane + VP C85 for E30, Ported GH Gen 3 upgraded turbos, Ported 13+ Exhaust Manifolds, Custom FM IC TreadStone TR10C, EPP Hot Pipes, EPP Dual CAI, XDI35 HPFP, Deatschwerks 300C LPFP, Alky Control Methonal Injection, Alky dual nozzle upgrade, Zex Nitrous dual dry shots, Dicunzolo Gen2 torque mounts, MSD Coils, SP542 .026, 160 T, 3bar, Phenolic Spacer, Braille Lightweight Battery, Kirky Lightweight Racing Driver Seat, Catless Downpipes, custom stainless 2.5" double xpipe w/muffler deletes 4" quad tips, UPR Dual Valve Catch Can, 13+ PP Trans Cooler, Econoaid throttle Body Booster, Bravado Tribute 20x9.5 + 32 offset Wheels, Nitto NT555R Front Tires, Continental Extreme Contact DW Rear Tires and all are 275/35/20, H&R Springs all around w/rear cut 1/2", 1" hubcentric wheel spacers m14 1.5 stud/lug conversion, R1 Concepts Geomet slotted/drilled rotors with Heavy Duty Semi Metallic pads, Aeroforce Interceptor Gauge.
Currently World's Fastest Ecoboost SHO
11.063 @ 123.17 MPH!  NED 10/10/20

bpd1151

Flip'n awesome read!

So damn cool and gratz!!!

Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk


802SHO

Quote from: bpd1151 on December 23, 2019, 04:15:30 PM
Flip'n awesome read!

So damn cool and gratz!!!

Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk

Thank you Sir! 
IG @802SHO 2010 SHO non PP, Tuned by AJP Turbo, 109 Octane + VP C85 for E30, Ported GH Gen 3 upgraded turbos, Ported 13+ Exhaust Manifolds, Custom FM IC TreadStone TR10C, EPP Hot Pipes, EPP Dual CAI, XDI35 HPFP, Deatschwerks 300C LPFP, Alky Control Methonal Injection, Alky dual nozzle upgrade, Zex Nitrous dual dry shots, Dicunzolo Gen2 torque mounts, MSD Coils, SP542 .026, 160 T, 3bar, Phenolic Spacer, Braille Lightweight Battery, Kirky Lightweight Racing Driver Seat, Catless Downpipes, custom stainless 2.5" double xpipe w/muffler deletes 4" quad tips, UPR Dual Valve Catch Can, 13+ PP Trans Cooler, Econoaid throttle Body Booster, Bravado Tribute 20x9.5 + 32 offset Wheels, Nitto NT555R Front Tires, Continental Extreme Contact DW Rear Tires and all are 275/35/20, H&R Springs all around w/rear cut 1/2", 1" hubcentric wheel spacers m14 1.5 stud/lug conversion, R1 Concepts Geomet slotted/drilled rotors with Heavy Duty Semi Metallic pads, Aeroforce Interceptor Gauge.
Currently World's Fastest Ecoboost SHO
11.063 @ 123.17 MPH!  NED 10/10/20

802SHO

Following my 11.39 run I was able to best that with an 11.368@122.68!  Every hundredth counts!  I was unable to get the entire run filmed due to my friend and son getting kicked out of the start area for lack of wrist bands as I literally was next up....I wish my friend just stayed instead and filmed me.  I would have.  I was using Dragy so I have that perspective.  Dragy is about 5 hundredths slower.  The first run out of the two was my best.  I didn't do any more runs as my datalogs were showing me I was running a little too lean and I decided to call it a day.  11.36 and 11.49 that day.  https://youtu.be/QSlnXi181Oo
IG @802SHO 2010 SHO non PP, Tuned by AJP Turbo, 109 Octane + VP C85 for E30, Ported GH Gen 3 upgraded turbos, Ported 13+ Exhaust Manifolds, Custom FM IC TreadStone TR10C, EPP Hot Pipes, EPP Dual CAI, XDI35 HPFP, Deatschwerks 300C LPFP, Alky Control Methonal Injection, Alky dual nozzle upgrade, Zex Nitrous dual dry shots, Dicunzolo Gen2 torque mounts, MSD Coils, SP542 .026, 160 T, 3bar, Phenolic Spacer, Braille Lightweight Battery, Kirky Lightweight Racing Driver Seat, Catless Downpipes, custom stainless 2.5" double xpipe w/muffler deletes 4" quad tips, UPR Dual Valve Catch Can, 13+ PP Trans Cooler, Econoaid throttle Body Booster, Bravado Tribute 20x9.5 + 32 offset Wheels, Nitto NT555R Front Tires, Continental Extreme Contact DW Rear Tires and all are 275/35/20, H&R Springs all around w/rear cut 1/2", 1" hubcentric wheel spacers m14 1.5 stud/lug conversion, R1 Concepts Geomet slotted/drilled rotors with Heavy Duty Semi Metallic pads, Aeroforce Interceptor Gauge.
Currently World's Fastest Ecoboost SHO
11.063 @ 123.17 MPH!  NED 10/10/20

802SHO

Due to discovering how restrictive my OEM 10-12 Exhaust Manifolds are by following BPD1151's 2010 Rebuild Thread, I decided to look into exhaust manifold options.  The 10-12 flows roughly 14 CFM.  The 13+ flows roughly 24 CFM.  I purchased 2013+ manifolds and sent them to MaxPower Automotive, where BPD1151 is getting all of his work done.  They ported the manifolds in their entirety and port matched to the turbo flanges. 
IG @802SHO 2010 SHO non PP, Tuned by AJP Turbo, 109 Octane + VP C85 for E30, Ported GH Gen 3 upgraded turbos, Ported 13+ Exhaust Manifolds, Custom FM IC TreadStone TR10C, EPP Hot Pipes, EPP Dual CAI, XDI35 HPFP, Deatschwerks 300C LPFP, Alky Control Methonal Injection, Alky dual nozzle upgrade, Zex Nitrous dual dry shots, Dicunzolo Gen2 torque mounts, MSD Coils, SP542 .026, 160 T, 3bar, Phenolic Spacer, Braille Lightweight Battery, Kirky Lightweight Racing Driver Seat, Catless Downpipes, custom stainless 2.5" double xpipe w/muffler deletes 4" quad tips, UPR Dual Valve Catch Can, 13+ PP Trans Cooler, Econoaid throttle Body Booster, Bravado Tribute 20x9.5 + 32 offset Wheels, Nitto NT555R Front Tires, Continental Extreme Contact DW Rear Tires and all are 275/35/20, H&R Springs all around w/rear cut 1/2", 1" hubcentric wheel spacers m14 1.5 stud/lug conversion, R1 Concepts Geomet slotted/drilled rotors with Heavy Duty Semi Metallic pads, Aeroforce Interceptor Gauge.
Currently World's Fastest Ecoboost SHO
11.063 @ 123.17 MPH!  NED 10/10/20

802SHO

Never thought I'd see this day so soon!  GearHead Turbos are out and being shipped today to MaxPower Automotive for Port matching to my new and now ported 13+ exhaust manifolds.
IG @802SHO 2010 SHO non PP, Tuned by AJP Turbo, 109 Octane + VP C85 for E30, Ported GH Gen 3 upgraded turbos, Ported 13+ Exhaust Manifolds, Custom FM IC TreadStone TR10C, EPP Hot Pipes, EPP Dual CAI, XDI35 HPFP, Deatschwerks 300C LPFP, Alky Control Methonal Injection, Alky dual nozzle upgrade, Zex Nitrous dual dry shots, Dicunzolo Gen2 torque mounts, MSD Coils, SP542 .026, 160 T, 3bar, Phenolic Spacer, Braille Lightweight Battery, Kirky Lightweight Racing Driver Seat, Catless Downpipes, custom stainless 2.5" double xpipe w/muffler deletes 4" quad tips, UPR Dual Valve Catch Can, 13+ PP Trans Cooler, Econoaid throttle Body Booster, Bravado Tribute 20x9.5 + 32 offset Wheels, Nitto NT555R Front Tires, Continental Extreme Contact DW Rear Tires and all are 275/35/20, H&R Springs all around w/rear cut 1/2", 1" hubcentric wheel spacers m14 1.5 stud/lug conversion, R1 Concepts Geomet slotted/drilled rotors with Heavy Duty Semi Metallic pads, Aeroforce Interceptor Gauge.
Currently World's Fastest Ecoboost SHO
11.063 @ 123.17 MPH!  NED 10/10/20

SHOdded

2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

802SHO

GH Turbos are ported now to the turbo gasket.  I didn't do flow data bc it would cost another $200.  Obviously ported flows more air.  Now I'm just waiting for my new ported 13+ manifolds to get thermal coated and then I'll be getting everything sent back to install.  I asked Matt @ Max Power Automotive if I could expect 30hp from all the porting and better flowing OEM manifolds.  He said 25-30hp is extremely realistic.  Sounds good to me.

Stock turbo on left.  My ported GH turbo on right.
IG @802SHO 2010 SHO non PP, Tuned by AJP Turbo, 109 Octane + VP C85 for E30, Ported GH Gen 3 upgraded turbos, Ported 13+ Exhaust Manifolds, Custom FM IC TreadStone TR10C, EPP Hot Pipes, EPP Dual CAI, XDI35 HPFP, Deatschwerks 300C LPFP, Alky Control Methonal Injection, Alky dual nozzle upgrade, Zex Nitrous dual dry shots, Dicunzolo Gen2 torque mounts, MSD Coils, SP542 .026, 160 T, 3bar, Phenolic Spacer, Braille Lightweight Battery, Kirky Lightweight Racing Driver Seat, Catless Downpipes, custom stainless 2.5" double xpipe w/muffler deletes 4" quad tips, UPR Dual Valve Catch Can, 13+ PP Trans Cooler, Econoaid throttle Body Booster, Bravado Tribute 20x9.5 + 32 offset Wheels, Nitto NT555R Front Tires, Continental Extreme Contact DW Rear Tires and all are 275/35/20, H&R Springs all around w/rear cut 1/2", 1" hubcentric wheel spacers m14 1.5 stud/lug conversion, R1 Concepts Geomet slotted/drilled rotors with Heavy Duty Semi Metallic pads, Aeroforce Interceptor Gauge.
Currently World's Fastest Ecoboost SHO
11.063 @ 123.17 MPH!  NED 10/10/20

802SHO

#329
New manifolds and turbos are in.  XDI35, DW LPFP, MSD Coils, new sp542 plugs @.026, new front struts, EPP Dual CAI installed and new custom front mount Intercooler.  I went with a TreadStone TR10C intercooler rated for 666HP.  Universal 2.5" IC pipe kit, Misc silicone adapters, reducers and elbows.  Front mount wouldn't be possible if it wasnt for GotGrip? on SHOForum.  First 2010-12 with one.  GH IC is sold but not shipping until I see some results.  Also installed Braille 21 pound battery and I have custom seat brackets Jordan had made here, and Kirky lightweight racing seat and seat cover shipped.
IG @802SHO 2010 SHO non PP, Tuned by AJP Turbo, 109 Octane + VP C85 for E30, Ported GH Gen 3 upgraded turbos, Ported 13+ Exhaust Manifolds, Custom FM IC TreadStone TR10C, EPP Hot Pipes, EPP Dual CAI, XDI35 HPFP, Deatschwerks 300C LPFP, Alky Control Methonal Injection, Alky dual nozzle upgrade, Zex Nitrous dual dry shots, Dicunzolo Gen2 torque mounts, MSD Coils, SP542 .026, 160 T, 3bar, Phenolic Spacer, Braille Lightweight Battery, Kirky Lightweight Racing Driver Seat, Catless Downpipes, custom stainless 2.5" double xpipe w/muffler deletes 4" quad tips, UPR Dual Valve Catch Can, 13+ PP Trans Cooler, Econoaid throttle Body Booster, Bravado Tribute 20x9.5 + 32 offset Wheels, Nitto NT555R Front Tires, Continental Extreme Contact DW Rear Tires and all are 275/35/20, H&R Springs all around w/rear cut 1/2", 1" hubcentric wheel spacers m14 1.5 stud/lug conversion, R1 Concepts Geomet slotted/drilled rotors with Heavy Duty Semi Metallic pads, Aeroforce Interceptor Gauge.
Currently World's Fastest Ecoboost SHO
11.063 @ 123.17 MPH!  NED 10/10/20