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3.5eco transverse prone to water pump failures?

Started by lamrith, February 14, 2019, 08:21:26 AM

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lamrith

I saw this mentioned a few times in the last month on various Facebook groups (yes I know lot of BS there hence why asking here...).  Supposedly according to them the 3.5eco transverse is prone to water pump failures?

I do not recall seeing it as ever even mentioned here or elsewhere until it came up on FB last month.  Any truth to it?
'13 Sho PP, SCT x4, AJP 92-Octane rev6 (14psi&20spark) NGK 6510, 3Bar, K&N CAI, PPE Catted DP, Dynomax Axleback, 20*9.5 Voxx Lago w/ 275/40-20 GMAX AS-05.

SHOdded

Wouldnt say prone, but does it happen?  Yes.  Lot of factors at play.  Overextended coolant change intervals,  overextended oil change intervals ( even with full synth), frequent hard acceleration/braking (affects timing chains), etc.

One of the problems is the location.  Being behind the front cover, it is a 14 hr book time job to do.  A bigger concern to me is the potential for coolant to mix with oil when the overtemperature warning is ignored and one keeps driving instead if pulling over right away.  That can damage the engine internally.
2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

SHOdded

The pump itself has two seals.  Old coolant erodes the seals.  Chains develop slack.  Slack causes the pump to wobble, and the bearings to wear down.
2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

SHOdded

2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

SM105K

Quote from: SHOdded on February 14, 2019, 08:35:16 AM
Wouldnt say prone, but does it happen?  Yes.  Lot of factors at play.  Overextended coolant change intervals,  overextended oil change intervals ( even with full synth), frequent hard acceleration/braking (affects timing chains), etc.

One of the problems is the location.  Being behind the front cover, it is a 14 hr book time job to do.  A bigger concern to me is the potential for coolant to mix with oil when the overtemperature warning is ignored and one keeps driving instead if pulling over right away.  That can damage the engine internally.

Along with Shodded's explanation, people don't know about the lubricating properties of coolant.  It keeps the seals lubricated and that keeps the pump happy.  People believe that coolant is a lifetime fluid.......it isn't.  Change all fluids on schedule, and don't skimp.  Hell change them earlier.
"M" 2013 SHO PP | AJPTurbo E30 Tune | FS HPFP | Stock IC with Ice Water DIY Sprayer | PPE Downpipes | Custom Magnaflow Resonator | 3rd Cat Delete | Derale Upgraded Trans Cooler | Dicunzolo Gen2 Trans Mounts| EPP Noisemaker Eliminator | MSD Coil Over Plugs | SP-542's | UPR Dual Valve Catch Can | K&N Drop In | Power Stop Slotted and Drilled Rotors with Stock PP Pads | H&R Springs  | AVS Flush Deflector | 802SHO Custom Splitter | Duraflex Chin Spoiler | Curva Concept C7's | Continental DWS06 Extreme Contact Rubber | 411 HP and 546 TQ |

"The Fukus" 2013 Focus ST | Boomba BOV | FSWerks Short Shifter | Power Stop Brakes | Continental DWS06 Extreme Contact Rubber |

ZSHO

#5
There's nothing bulletproof or lifetime Fluids IMO and definitely change your Fluids sooner than later while avoiding Fords service interval recommendations for a peace of mind and costly repairs. Z



2013 Performance Package SHO| Livernois Custom Methanol Tune|3-Bar Map|Reische-170-Stat|Full Race Tial-10psi BOV in Black|PPE-Gloss Black Hot Pipes|EPP Dual Intake in Gloss Black|PPE Catted DP|Corsa Sport Cat Back Exhaust|H&R Sport-Springs|CFM Performance Billet Valve Cover Breather In Gloss Black|Llumar 20%Ceramic window Tint|MSD Ignition Coils in Black|Extreme Roof Spoiler|Redline Fluids all around|Gearhead Intercooler|First-SHO With Direct Port Alky-VP-M1-100%-Methanol Injection|LMS-Custom-Dyno-Tuned @ 415whp-465wtq| Best Trap Speed of 115.54 mph|

lamrith

So no more prone than any other vehicle basically.  They made it sound like it was a chronic failure, what you all are describing here is not a cause for concern like it was portrayed on FB.
I have had vehicles with chronic common issues:  STS-V eat wheel bearings often 20-30k miles and some start to fail, shifter park switch failures at <50k miles, as well as thermostats.  944's you have to replace timing belt every 3yrs regardless of miles.. 

thanks again as always guys!
'13 Sho PP, SCT x4, AJP 92-Octane rev6 (14psi&20spark) NGK 6510, 3Bar, K&N CAI, PPE Catted DP, Dynomax Axleback, 20*9.5 Voxx Lago w/ 275/40-20 GMAX AS-05.

BlueSHO

Quote from: ZSHO on February 14, 2019, 10:45:13 AM
There's nothing bulletproof or lifetime Fluids IMO and definitely change your Fluids sooner than later while avoiding Fords service interval recommendations for a peace of mind and costly repairs. Z
Fords initial change for coolant is 6 years or 100k miles so you think that is too long? 

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2016 SHO Blue Jeans
2001 Lightning
1996 Mystic Cobra

SM105K

Quote from: BlueSHO on February 14, 2019, 12:11:44 PM
Quote from: ZSHO on February 14, 2019, 10:45:13 AM
There's nothing bulletproof or lifetime Fluids IMO and definitely change your Fluids sooner than later while avoiding Fords service interval recommendations for a peace of mind and costly repairs. Z
Fords initial change for coolant is 6 years or 100k miles so you think that is too long? 

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Hell yes that is way too long.  Think of all the heat cycles coolant goes through just in 3 years......extreme hot and cold.
"M" 2013 SHO PP | AJPTurbo E30 Tune | FS HPFP | Stock IC with Ice Water DIY Sprayer | PPE Downpipes | Custom Magnaflow Resonator | 3rd Cat Delete | Derale Upgraded Trans Cooler | Dicunzolo Gen2 Trans Mounts| EPP Noisemaker Eliminator | MSD Coil Over Plugs | SP-542's | UPR Dual Valve Catch Can | K&N Drop In | Power Stop Slotted and Drilled Rotors with Stock PP Pads | H&R Springs  | AVS Flush Deflector | 802SHO Custom Splitter | Duraflex Chin Spoiler | Curva Concept C7's | Continental DWS06 Extreme Contact Rubber | 411 HP and 546 TQ |

"The Fukus" 2013 Focus ST | Boomba BOV | FSWerks Short Shifter | Power Stop Brakes | Continental DWS06 Extreme Contact Rubber |

nickstewartroc

Current:
2013 Ruby Red Flex Limited EcoBoost, Unleashed Tuned, drop in filter

Gone but not forgotten: 2011 SHO Non-PP in Black Tuxedo Metallic - Catback, DPs, Stoptech Z23s, MDesign CAI, LMS Tune

ZSHO

#10
Quote from: BlueSHO on February 14, 2019, 12:11:44 PM
Quote from: ZSHO on February 14, 2019, 10:45:13 AM
There's nothing bulletproof or lifetime Fluids IMO and definitely change your Fluids sooner than later while avoiding Fords service interval recommendations for a peace of mind and costly repairs. Z
Fords initial change for coolant is 6 years or 100k miles so you think that is too long? 

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Divide that by Two! I change mine @ 30K Intervals from PTU-RDU-TRANS-COOLANT-BRAKE SYSTEM FLUSH!
Something to also consider is severe duty or severe climate would require shorter intervals IMO!  Z


2013 Performance Package SHO| Livernois Custom Methanol Tune|3-Bar Map|Reische-170-Stat|Full Race Tial-10psi BOV in Black|PPE-Gloss Black Hot Pipes|EPP Dual Intake in Gloss Black|PPE Catted DP|Corsa Sport Cat Back Exhaust|H&R Sport-Springs|CFM Performance Billet Valve Cover Breather In Gloss Black|Llumar 20%Ceramic window Tint|MSD Ignition Coils in Black|Extreme Roof Spoiler|Redline Fluids all around|Gearhead Intercooler|First-SHO With Direct Port Alky-VP-M1-100%-Methanol Injection|LMS-Custom-Dyno-Tuned @ 415whp-465wtq| Best Trap Speed of 115.54 mph|

802SHO

Boy oh boy I've never had mine changed, don't know when it was last done if ever, got the car with 52k and I've driven 20k....better get this done!  Too close for comfort
IG @802SHO 2010 SHO non PP, Tuned by AJP Turbo, 109 Octane + VP C85 for E30, Ported GH Gen 3 upgraded turbos, Ported 13+ Exhaust Manifolds, Custom FM IC TreadStone TR10C, EPP Hot Pipes, EPP Dual CAI, XDI35 HPFP, Deatschwerks 300C LPFP, Alky Control Methonal Injection, Alky dual nozzle upgrade, Zex Nitrous dual dry shots, Dicunzolo Gen2 torque mounts, MSD Coils, SP542 .026, 160 T, 3bar, Phenolic Spacer, Braille Lightweight Battery, Kirky Lightweight Racing Driver Seat, Catless Downpipes, custom stainless 2.5" double xpipe w/muffler deletes 4" quad tips, UPR Dual Valve Catch Can, 13+ PP Trans Cooler, Econoaid throttle Body Booster, Bravado Tribute 20x9.5 + 32 offset Wheels, Nitto NT555R Front Tires, Continental Extreme Contact DW Rear Tires and all are 275/35/20, H&R Springs all around w/rear cut 1/2", 1" hubcentric wheel spacers m14 1.5 stud/lug conversion, R1 Concepts Geomet slotted/drilled rotors with Heavy Duty Semi Metallic pads, Aeroforce Interceptor Gauge.
Currently World's Fastest Ecoboost SHO
11.063 @ 123.17 MPH!  NED 10/10/20

SM105K

Quote from: 802SHO on February 14, 2019, 06:46:26 PM
Boy oh boy I've never had mine changed, don't know when it was last done if ever, got the car with 52k and I've driven 20k....better get this done!  Too close for comfort

I am in the same boat.  Bought mine at 51K and I have 69K now.  I am going to try and install my IC this weekend, so I will replace the coolant then. 
"M" 2013 SHO PP | AJPTurbo E30 Tune | FS HPFP | Stock IC with Ice Water DIY Sprayer | PPE Downpipes | Custom Magnaflow Resonator | 3rd Cat Delete | Derale Upgraded Trans Cooler | Dicunzolo Gen2 Trans Mounts| EPP Noisemaker Eliminator | MSD Coil Over Plugs | SP-542's | UPR Dual Valve Catch Can | K&N Drop In | Power Stop Slotted and Drilled Rotors with Stock PP Pads | H&R Springs  | AVS Flush Deflector | 802SHO Custom Splitter | Duraflex Chin Spoiler | Curva Concept C7's | Continental DWS06 Extreme Contact Rubber | 411 HP and 546 TQ |

"The Fukus" 2013 Focus ST | Boomba BOV | FSWerks Short Shifter | Power Stop Brakes | Continental DWS06 Extreme Contact Rubber |

ClearwaterSHO

My '13 is at 114k miles. Tuned since 51k. I can't count how many passes down the track. I will tell you that I have followed the advice of the good people on this forum in terms of maintenance and have almost 0 issues from my car. I even had to take it to Ford to have the rack and pinion replaced and they told me that the car is in pristine condition, aside from the rack and pinion issue at the time. I'm hoping to hear back from GH soon on the intercooler and we will see how much oil is in the stock one. I've never looked! 

My Maintenance Schedule:

Oil - Amsoil Signature - 5k miles
Trans Drain Fill - 5k miles
PTU - 15k miles
RDU - 1 time a year around June

I had my coolant flushed last feb @ 90k because I knew the interval was coming and I was worried about the pump. After seeing I should do it even more often, I'll start doing that every 40k or 2 years.
2013 NON-PP SHO Tuxedo Black
Unleashed 3 Bar Tune -12.865 @ 106.5
AJP POWERED Tune - 12.59 @ 108.?

Mods: GH Intercooler, E30 Tune by AJPTurbo, SW Catless DP's, H&R Springs, MSD Coils (Is this a mod?)

802SHO

Quote from: sm105k on February 15, 2019, 08:21:59 AM
Quote from: 802SHO on February 14, 2019, 06:46:26 PM
Boy oh boy I've never had mine changed, don't know when it was last done if ever, got the car with 52k and I've driven 20k....better get this done!  Too close for comfort

I am in the same boat.  Bought mine at 51K and I have 69K now.  I am going to try and install my IC this weekend, so I will replace the coolant then.

Good call, I'll wait until I do the same since the radiator will need to come out anyhow! 

Just fill the radiator back up?  Our system burbs itself doesn't it?  Not sure if that's the correct term...lol
IG @802SHO 2010 SHO non PP, Tuned by AJP Turbo, 109 Octane + VP C85 for E30, Ported GH Gen 3 upgraded turbos, Ported 13+ Exhaust Manifolds, Custom FM IC TreadStone TR10C, EPP Hot Pipes, EPP Dual CAI, XDI35 HPFP, Deatschwerks 300C LPFP, Alky Control Methonal Injection, Alky dual nozzle upgrade, Zex Nitrous dual dry shots, Dicunzolo Gen2 torque mounts, MSD Coils, SP542 .026, 160 T, 3bar, Phenolic Spacer, Braille Lightweight Battery, Kirky Lightweight Racing Driver Seat, Catless Downpipes, custom stainless 2.5" double xpipe w/muffler deletes 4" quad tips, UPR Dual Valve Catch Can, 13+ PP Trans Cooler, Econoaid throttle Body Booster, Bravado Tribute 20x9.5 + 32 offset Wheels, Nitto NT555R Front Tires, Continental Extreme Contact DW Rear Tires and all are 275/35/20, H&R Springs all around w/rear cut 1/2", 1" hubcentric wheel spacers m14 1.5 stud/lug conversion, R1 Concepts Geomet slotted/drilled rotors with Heavy Duty Semi Metallic pads, Aeroforce Interceptor Gauge.
Currently World's Fastest Ecoboost SHO
11.063 @ 123.17 MPH!  NED 10/10/20