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Stutter at WOT when cold.... Flashing CEL and Limp Mode...

Started by ToMang07, November 23, 2018, 05:37:09 PM

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ToMang07

So driving a 55mph highway the other night, it was cold (single digits) and I went to WOT to pass someone. About 1/2 way through the pass the engine stuttered (felt like a missing cylinder) and the CEL came on flashing. It stayed like that for roughly 5 minutes (FELT like a lot longer) and then it went out, and back to normal. No codes popped up in the info screen and none registered in the system, still haven't scanned it with Forscan.

I will say my brother's truck had this issue last winter, at which time we changed the plugs. His truck (14 F150 3.5L ecoboost)  hasn't worked yet so far since we started getting this cold winter weather, but he says it happens somewhat frequently to him when it's cold and he gets on it.

Is this common? Anyone else experienced this? Any known solutions? I have an unknown "cold weather" tune for the car that I may try and see if it replicates. NOT COOL. Limp mode when your passing someone is dangerous as ****.
~Tom~
2013 SHO - Stage 3 Snow Performance Meth, (2) SCT X4 with Unleashed, 3 Bar Map, MSD Ignition Coils w/Colder Plugs 170*TS, EcoPowerParts Hot Pipes & Tial-Q BOV) Stage 3 Motorsports Catless Downpipes 3" Cat-Back Exhaust, JLT Oil Separator, H&R Sport Springs, K&N CAI, Drilled and Slotted Rotors w/EBC Pads

SHOdded

What was engine and trans temperature at that point? Any idea?  Do not recommend WOT until the trans is at least past 100F, preferably 140F.

I don't think it is a fluid not high enough type issue, but it could be.

When was fluid last completely exchagned out?

Still running 93 octane?  What brand?  Some brands are better behaved, even some stations within a brand, than others.  Cannot take for granted.
2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

ToMang07

Tranny/oil/coolant were all up to temp, probably had driven 20+ miles at that point. Oil pressure was good/normal.

I run strictly 93 from Citgo, since that's the only station around that carries 93. The car only JUST broke 60k miles, running Amsoil. Planning to do a drain/fill on the tranny in the spring. Boost Juice as well.
~Tom~
2013 SHO - Stage 3 Snow Performance Meth, (2) SCT X4 with Unleashed, 3 Bar Map, MSD Ignition Coils w/Colder Plugs 170*TS, EcoPowerParts Hot Pipes & Tial-Q BOV) Stage 3 Motorsports Catless Downpipes 3" Cat-Back Exhaust, JLT Oil Separator, H&R Sport Springs, K&N CAI, Drilled and Slotted Rotors w/EBC Pads

El_SHO

Have you found anything else wrong?.. my sho does the same with all tunes! And it sucks takes away the fun out of the sho
2013 Taurus SHO with PP
Unleashed 93 oct (Livewire TS)
170° Tsat
K&n drop in air fliter
2 12in q5000 subs + 5000(2800rms) SSL amp @ 1 ohm

ZSHO

I would have the Ford dealer Reflash your PCM to the latest updates applicable to your vehicle.  Z

TSB for the 13-SHO..

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ToMang07

Quote from: El_SHO on December 08, 2018, 12:00:43 PM
Have you found anything else wrong?.. my sho does the same with all tunes! And it sucks takes away the fun out of the sho

Hasn't done it again as of yet. I passed a semi today @120mph (50-120 WOT) and not a hiccup. It was in the single digits here this morning. 6*F
~Tom~
2013 SHO - Stage 3 Snow Performance Meth, (2) SCT X4 with Unleashed, 3 Bar Map, MSD Ignition Coils w/Colder Plugs 170*TS, EcoPowerParts Hot Pipes & Tial-Q BOV) Stage 3 Motorsports Catless Downpipes 3" Cat-Back Exhaust, JLT Oil Separator, H&R Sport Springs, K&N CAI, Drilled and Slotted Rotors w/EBC Pads

ToMang07

Quote from: ZSHO on December 08, 2018, 12:18:29 PM
I would try to update and Reflash your PCM @ your local Ford dealer. Z

I don't believe a reflash will do any good on a tuned vehicle, will it?
~Tom~
2013 SHO - Stage 3 Snow Performance Meth, (2) SCT X4 with Unleashed, 3 Bar Map, MSD Ignition Coils w/Colder Plugs 170*TS, EcoPowerParts Hot Pipes & Tial-Q BOV) Stage 3 Motorsports Catless Downpipes 3" Cat-Back Exhaust, JLT Oil Separator, H&R Sport Springs, K&N CAI, Drilled and Slotted Rotors w/EBC Pads

SHOdded

It might if there is an update to the Ford calibration.  Then you would need to get an updated calibration from Unleashed and put that on, after updating the X4 of course.
2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

ToMang07

Yeah, means I'd have to buy new tunes. Unleashed has no interest in working with me since I'm not the original owner.
~Tom~
2013 SHO - Stage 3 Snow Performance Meth, (2) SCT X4 with Unleashed, 3 Bar Map, MSD Ignition Coils w/Colder Plugs 170*TS, EcoPowerParts Hot Pipes & Tial-Q BOV) Stage 3 Motorsports Catless Downpipes 3" Cat-Back Exhaust, JLT Oil Separator, H&R Sport Springs, K&N CAI, Drilled and Slotted Rotors w/EBC Pads

El_SHO

Quote from: ToMang07 on December 08, 2018, 12:22:47 PM
Quote from: El_SHO on December 08, 2018, 12:00:43 PM
Have you found anything else wrong?.. my sho does the same with all tunes! And it sucks takes away the fun out of the sho

Hasn't done it again as of yet. I passed a semi today @120mph (50-120 WOT) and not a hiccup. It was in the single digits here this morning. 6*F

Was that on your stock tune?? So I'm guessing the cold doesnt have anything to do with it studdering
2013 Taurus SHO with PP
Unleashed 93 oct (Livewire TS)
170° Tsat
K&n drop in air fliter
2 12in q5000 subs + 5000(2800rms) SSL amp @ 1 ohm

SHOdded

2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

El_SHO

I've been on stock tune going on 2 months...  I was chasing a ghost also I've change all fluids replaced plugs with different gaps, cleaned map and maf and throttle body with no luck. I even got with torrie from unleashed and he didn't seem like he was to worried he just asked if I had recently done the fluids and to replace plugs with 542 gapped at .025
2013 Taurus SHO with PP
Unleashed 93 oct (Livewire TS)
170° Tsat
K&n drop in air fliter
2 12in q5000 subs + 5000(2800rms) SSL amp @ 1 ohm

ToMang07

Quote from: SHOdded on December 08, 2018, 03:31:50 PM
What fuel setup are you running on stock vs tuned?

No, I have a 3-bar so I can only run tuned.
~Tom~
2013 SHO - Stage 3 Snow Performance Meth, (2) SCT X4 with Unleashed, 3 Bar Map, MSD Ignition Coils w/Colder Plugs 170*TS, EcoPowerParts Hot Pipes & Tial-Q BOV) Stage 3 Motorsports Catless Downpipes 3" Cat-Back Exhaust, JLT Oil Separator, H&R Sport Springs, K&N CAI, Drilled and Slotted Rotors w/EBC Pads

ToMang07

Quote from: SHOdded on December 08, 2018, 03:31:50 PM
What fuel setup are you running on stock vs tuned?

I'm running stock fuel/turbos/injectors.
~Tom~
2013 SHO - Stage 3 Snow Performance Meth, (2) SCT X4 with Unleashed, 3 Bar Map, MSD Ignition Coils w/Colder Plugs 170*TS, EcoPowerParts Hot Pipes & Tial-Q BOV) Stage 3 Motorsports Catless Downpipes 3" Cat-Back Exhaust, JLT Oil Separator, H&R Sport Springs, K&N CAI, Drilled and Slotted Rotors w/EBC Pads

SM105K

Quote from: ToMang07 on December 08, 2018, 02:26:36 PM
Yeah, means I'd have to buy new tunes. Unleashed has no interest in working with me since I'm not the original owner.

WTF?  Is that usually policy?  I would be emailing another tuner ASAP.  Quite a few of us use AJPTurbo.  Brad (the tuner) does a great job.
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