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Ecoboost Severe HPFP

Started by Livernois Motorsports, March 20, 2018, 04:29:31 PM

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Livernois Motorsports

The Firestorm High Pressure Fuel Pump for Ford direct injection engines! Our extensive work with the Ford Ecoboost family of engines has revealed a common road block when trying to add more power; the factory High Pressure Fuel System. While the factory fuel system is adequate for stock vehicles these engine quickly run out of fuel with even basic performance upgrades. To help combat this, we have developed our New Firestorm High Pressure Fuel Pump Upgrade kits for the 3.5 Ecoboost in passenger cars like the Taurus SHO and the Lincoln MKS sedans. The new Firestorm Fuel Pump supplies up to 60% more fuel than the factory fuel pump. This is a complete bolt on upgraded kit included is the new high pressure fuel pump, new custom fuel line and hardware to make installation easy. While the installing of the pump is fairly easy it must be accompanied by custom tuning to work correctly. If you already have a MyCalibrator tuner contact us for your free update, if you don't have a MyCalibrator tuner one can be purchased separately with the file required to use this great new fuel pump.

FoMoCoSHO


bamsho

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Which HPFP is this, since you have two.  Just want to make is clear for people. 
2013 white Gen 5.  Gearhead Intercooler, Turbosmart wastegate actuators, Alky Controls meth kit, Livernois catted downpipes,  Livernois Corsa cat back black etched tips.  2016 True Street Champion.

Livernois Motorsports

Quote from: bamsho on March 21, 2018, 07:17:20 AM
Which HPFP is this, since you have two.  Just want to make is clear for people. 
I put in the title that this is our severe pump which is the top notch best pump offered currently that we use on alot of our taurus sho builds!

Livernois Motorsports

Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on March 20, 2018, 05:40:07 PM
How many cc/cam rot?
This pump flows 60% over the stock fuel pump

derfdog15

Quote from: Livernois Motorsports on March 21, 2018, 10:01:48 AM
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on March 20, 2018, 05:40:07 PM
How many cc/cam rot?
This pump flows 60% over the stock fuel pump

So it is a linear gain of 60% increase in flow at ALL speeds/loads? If so that may answer the question, if we know the stock pumps flow in cc's/cam rotation. However, if that is not the case, and still even if it is, I don't believe this answers the question.
2015 Tuxedo Black SHO PP -(SAE corrected): 369.4/451.4 - Gone to the automotive graveyard but not forgotten

2016 F150 FX4 Sport - 3.5L V6 Ecoboost - Stock for now

2003 Redfire V6 Mustang - Building to be an 11 second car

bamsho

Ok just wanted to make sure.  This is the pump that Rich is running with other supporting mods to run full E85.
2013 white Gen 5.  Gearhead Intercooler, Turbosmart wastegate actuators, Alky Controls meth kit, Livernois catted downpipes,  Livernois Corsa cat back black etched tips.  2016 True Street Champion.

AJP turbo

Quote from: Livernois Motorsports on March 21, 2018, 10:01:48 AM
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on March 20, 2018, 05:40:07 PM
How many cc/cam rot?
This pump flows 60% over the stock fuel pump

Not really a direct answer...these pumps are rated in cc/cam rot
SCT Dealer/Custom Calibrator                        
Specializing in 3.5 Ecoboost   
Remote/email custom tuning including E85 blends 
Authorized retailer for all SCT devices. 
 
Former:2014 PP SHO
3 bar 93 tune, Airaid, Stainless Works non catted DP's  
405whp/520tq
Dyno
     
Current:2016 F150 2.7 Ecoboost
Tuning in progress

Livernois Motorsports


derfdog15

Quote from: Livernois Motorsports on March 21, 2018, 12:13:50 PM
Hopefully this helps

Is that flow on Y and Cam Rotation on X? Or is X RPM? Or ...? Would help to have some labels on the X and Y axis, as well as units
2015 Tuxedo Black SHO PP -(SAE corrected): 369.4/451.4 - Gone to the automotive graveyard but not forgotten

2016 F150 FX4 Sport - 3.5L V6 Ecoboost - Stock for now

2003 Redfire V6 Mustang - Building to be an 11 second car

Livernois Motorsports

Quote from: derfdog15 on March 21, 2018, 12:52:09 PM
Quote from: Livernois Motorsports on March 21, 2018, 12:13:50 PM
Hopefully this helps

Is that flow on Y and Cam Rotation on X? Or is X RPM? Or ...? Would help to have some labels on the X and Y axis, as well as units
X is RPM and Y is LPH, this is how we rate the pump not my ccs/cam rot

FoMoCoSHO

Quote from: Livernois Motorsports on March 21, 2018, 01:33:50 PM
Quote from: derfdog15 on March 21, 2018, 12:52:09 PM
Quote from: Livernois Motorsports on March 21, 2018, 12:13:50 PM
Hopefully this helps

Is that flow on Y and Cam Rotation on X? Or is X RPM? Or ...? Would help to have some labels on the X and Y axis, as well as units
X is RPM and Y is LPH, this is how we rate the pump not my ccs/cam rot
That works, I can convert from LPH, thanks!

derfdog15

Quote from: Livernois Motorsports on March 21, 2018, 01:33:50 PM
Quote from: derfdog15 on March 21, 2018, 12:52:09 PM
Quote from: Livernois Motorsports on March 21, 2018, 12:13:50 PM
Hopefully this helps

Is that flow on Y and Cam Rotation on X? Or is X RPM? Or ...? Would help to have some labels on the X and Y axis, as well as units
X is RPM and Y is LPH, this is how we rate the pump not my ccs/cam rot

Thanks for that clarification. The next question that comes to mind from the graph, there are 4 listed pumps (Firestorm and Severe Firestorm w/o revised lobe, and Firestorm and Severe Firestorm w/ revised lobe). Is the revised lobe the only version that is for sale, since it clearly out-performs the other, or is one version the SHO/transverse version, and the other for F150/longitudinal?

Along with the above question, the RPM is going to ~7200 it seems, is there a reason for that? Since in the SHO atleast the turbo is pretty maxed out at higher RPM, and the shift points are only as high as about 6200 RPM IIRC.

Thanks!
2015 Tuxedo Black SHO PP -(SAE corrected): 369.4/451.4 - Gone to the automotive graveyard but not forgotten

2016 F150 FX4 Sport - 3.5L V6 Ecoboost - Stock for now

2003 Redfire V6 Mustang - Building to be an 11 second car

Livernois Motorsports

Quote from: derfdog15 on March 21, 2018, 01:49:37 PM
Quote from: Livernois Motorsports on March 21, 2018, 01:33:50 PM
Quote from: derfdog15 on March 21, 2018, 12:52:09 PM
Quote from: Livernois Motorsports on March 21, 2018, 12:13:50 PM
Hopefully this helps
The only one for sale is the best one of course, and we run the pump to see where it no longer continues to climb and caps out

Is that flow on Y and Cam Rotation on X? Or is X RPM? Or ...? Would help to have some labels on the X and Y axis, as well as units
X is RPM and Y is LPH, this is how we rate the pump not my ccs/cam rot

Thanks for that clarification. The next question that comes to mind from the graph, there are 4 listed pumps (Firestorm and Severe Firestorm w/o revised lobe, and Firestorm and Severe Firestorm w/ revised lobe). Is the revised lobe the only version that is for sale, since it clearly out-performs the other, or is one version the SHO/transverse version, and the other for F150/longitudinal?

Along with the above question, the RPM is going to ~7200 it seems, is there a reason for that? Since in the SHO atleast the turbo is pretty maxed out at higher RPM, and the shift points are only as high as about 6200 RPM IIRC.

Thanks!

FoMoCoSHO

#14
Quote from: derfdog15 on March 21, 2018, 10:04:20 AM
Quote from: Livernois Motorsports on March 21, 2018, 10:01:48 AM
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on March 20, 2018, 05:40:07 PM
How many cc/cam rot?
This pump flows 60% over the stock fuel pump

So it is a linear gain of 60% increase in flow at ALL speeds/loads? If so that may answer the question, if we know the stock pumps flow in cc's/cam rotation. However, if that is not the case, and still even if it is, I don't believe this answers the question.
The stocker is rated in cc3/cam rot.

At 6750 the severe duty pump with modified lobe (cam lobe?) flows damn near double the stocker

Cam spins at 1/2 crank speed so.....

Stock Pump

6750/2*1.12 = 3780 cc3/min

3780 cc3/min converts to 226.8 LPH

So 76% increase at 6750

What I don't know is what effect the 4th cam lobe has on the calculations.

Edited for math, please check and correct my work if needed.