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Clean side PCV and Aftermarket Intakes

Started by polskifacet, January 23, 2018, 02:38:36 PM

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polskifacet

Wanted to throw this out there. Installing larger filter = less restriction which in turn = less vacuum on the clean side of the pcv system. The clean side is what provides the crankcase a slight vacuum while in boost.

So whats better, getting oil sucked into your intake piping or not providing this slight vacuum? UPR tries to accommodate this with a 5 ft hose from the intake pipe to their catch can but the issue of a less restrictive filter still remains.
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I think it's grasping at straws and you will be fine
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polskifacet

Quote from: AJP turbo on January 23, 2018, 03:24:09 PM
I think it's grasping at straws and you will be fine
I agree it's out there. Reason I made the correlation is because I started putting my aftermarket parts back on and haven't noticed any difference in exhaust smell until I put the Air Raid on (maybe). Just for giggles I'm going to put the catch can on the clean side and see if it catches significant amounts of oil.
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polskifacet

Found this from UPR. Looks like it would fit the location of the stock clean side nipple.

F150 Clean Side Seperator

Same thread/fitting as pcv
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Colorado-SHOBro

Quote from: polskifacet on January 24, 2018, 11:53:16 PM
Found this from UPR. Looks like it would fit the location of the stock clean side nipple.

F150 Clean Side Seperator

Same thread/fitting as pcv
Rather than pay $100 for that i would just get the quick connect fitting and run a hose from the CSS to the stock nipple that way. i pulled several from a junk yard at one point. that's what i opted to do when my RX CSS was leaking except i ran a hose to a nipple in my stock air box. worked like a charm.






even so, will moving the clean side air supply fix the lack of vacuum from the bigger filter?




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12.8@108 @ 6,000ft DA.

polskifacet

I'm curious if the clean side needs the slight vacuum from the suction of the turbo or it simply needs fresh air. All info I could find says that the turbo actually sucks out the crank case gas while boosting.
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ZSHO



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polskifacet

Thanks Z. My original idea was to cut the clean side line and put in a check valve so it cant burp out oil, only fresh air in. I have a CFM breather which gives something like a 1.5" hole for any positive pressure to escape. Think I should just execute this original plan.
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ZSHO

Quote from: polskifacet on January 25, 2018, 04:15:23 PM
Thanks Z. My original idea was to cut the clean side line and put in a check valve so it cant burp out oil, only fresh air in. I have a CFM breather which gives something like a 1.5" hole for any positive pressure to escape. Think I should just execute this original plan.
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Quote from: Colorado-SHOBro on January 25, 2018, 04:15:21 AM
Quote from: polskifacet on January 24, 2018, 11:53:16 PM
Found this from UPR. Looks like it would fit the location of the stock clean side nipple.

F150 Clean Side Seperator

Same thread/fitting as pcv
Rather than pay $100 for that i would just get the quick connect fitting and run a hose from the CSS to the stock nipple that way. i pulled several from a junk yard at one point. that's what i opted to do when my RX CSS was leaking except i ran a hose to a nipple in my stock air box. worked like a charm.






even so, will moving the clean side air supply fix the lack of vacuum from the bigger filter?




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I'm liking the overall custom setup CSB! Z   :thumb:


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Colorado-SHOBro

Thanks Z! I'm actually really happy with the little CSS setup too. I get to keep my oem oil cap on which is nice. I have a check valve and a small amount of filter media after the barb on the quick connect fitting and there's really never oil that gets passed through the lines.
If others are looking for a CSS solution i highly suggest getting the fittings and fabbing something like this up. Cheap/easy and effective.
Sorry for the derail . . . back to your regularly scheduled thread!
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12.8@108 @ 6,000ft DA.

polskifacet

Thanks for all the input guys. To keep as much of the original design as possible I pulled the trigger on a second catch can off Ebay.
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SHOBro what did that front hose look like before you modified it and why did you do that? Been a while but I thought that front valve cover hose went to the airbox anyway? NO?
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polskifacet

Quote from: AJP turbo on January 25, 2018, 11:11:53 PM
SHOBro what did that front hose look like before you modified it and why did you do that? Been a while but I thought that front valve cover hose went to the airbox anyway? NO?
It goes to the front turbo intake piping stock, he plumbed it to the filter box.
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Quote from: polskifacet on January 25, 2018, 11:20:48 PM
Quote from: AJP turbo on January 25, 2018, 11:11:53 PM
SHOBro what did that front hose look like before you modified it and why did you do that? Been a while but I thought that front valve cover hose went to the airbox anyway? NO?
It goes to the front turbo intake piping stock, he plumbed it to the filter box.

Isn't that essentially the same thing?
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405whp/520tq
Dyno
     
Current:2016 F150 2.7 Ecoboost
Tuning in progress