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Torque Source 15

Started by StealBlueSho, June 10, 2017, 12:35:16 PM

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StealBlueSho

Seems like a lot of guys with 2012-2010 SHOs run into this once they start putting more power to the ground...

I am ASSUMING it's set off by the front tires spinning faster than the rear tires. Are there any other variables I am missing?

If the answer is yes your right, no there are no other variables... then...

What are you doing to get around that issue??

BPD has a non-pp running mid 11's.... how does he avoid that issue? (yes I am asking BPD...hoping for some input)

DRs? Suspension? Etc?

Tuning will help some I know, and currently working on it.. otherwise.. any of you fantastically awesome people have any thoughts?


glock-coma

I recall FoMoCoSHO having this issue before, maybe he'll chime in.
I'm sure you've already seen this but I'll post it anyway.


* 0 - Driver Demand
** 1 - Transmission torque truncation
** 2 - Traction Control
** 3 - Vehicle Speed Limiting
** 4 - Engine Speed Limiting
** 5 - Anticlunk Tipin torque limiting or Tipin rate limiting
** 6 - Tipout torque
** 7 - Transmission Shift Modulation
** 8 - Engine Oil Over temperature
** 9 - Target N
** 10 - Powertrain Limiting Protection FMEM Limit
** 11 - ETC FMEM - RPM Guard
** 12 - PATS
** 13 - OSCMOD
** 14 - Speed Control
** 15 - Transfer Case Torque Limit
** 16 - Torque Based Decel
** 17 - VDE
** 18 - Engine Indicated Torque Limit
** 19 - Engine Combustion Stability Torque Limit
** 20 - HEV Torque Reduction at engine start or stop
** 21 - HEV Tipout Torque Reduction
2010 red candy metallic non PP 402B
AJPTURBO 2 BAR Tune Stock 14.1@100.3 / Tuned 12.83@107.7
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1990 SHO triple black 5-speed (saved my life)

StealBlueSho

I have seen the generic one in SCT Livelink, not that one!

So.... it's more complicated than just fixing the traction upfront....

That's great info, thank you..

Still dunno if someone has found a solution...

FoMoCoSHO

SBS, I'm pretty sure Brad already dealt with this on mine....

Hopefully he will get you squared away soon.


StealBlueSho

Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on June 10, 2017, 01:35:55 PM
SBS, I'm pretty sure Brad already dealt with this on mine....

Hopefully he will get you squared away soon.

Probably, I know he has fixed it for a couple guys. He is currently working it with me. I for some reason thought it was more a traction issue causing advance track to trip... maybe because usually when it happens the front wheels are spinning...


FearlessAZ

Brad and I have been working to isolate the value that needs to be changed. Think we might have found the scalar that is the culprit to it.
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StealBlueSho

#6
Sounds like all of Brads customers at some point need this adjusted lol...

I have had it with his other tunes but I was able find a sweet spot to launch without it happening 90% of the time...

With Meth, I can't just stomp the pedal anymore.. let alone brake boost...I have to ease into the accelerator from a stop...

Still smoked a 2016 mustang GT last night...but if I had stood up on the gas it would have kicked Advance Track on...

dubcitySHO

Brad and I have been trying to chase this issue down as well. 

He has a tune worked up for me that shows a torque source 7 in place of the 15, and it does not close the throttle blade, but I'm sure it's leaving some power on the table.

2018 Magnetic Metallic F-150 XLT FX4 SCrew, 20% 3M Tint, Currently researching reputable F-150 tuners....

FoMoCoSHO

Quote from: dubcitySHO on June 10, 2017, 08:14:06 PM
Brad and I have been trying to chase this issue down as well. 

He has a tune worked up for me that shows a torque source 7 in place of the 15, and it does not close the throttle blade, but I'm sure it's leaving some power on the table.
Torque source 7 is trans torque management.

You want that one.


dubcitySHO

Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on June 10, 2017, 10:18:03 PM

Torque source 7 is trans torque management.

You want that one.

Right, but it's appearing halfway through 1st gear, not when the shift is commanded.
2018 Magnetic Metallic F-150 XLT FX4 SCrew, 20% 3M Tint, Currently researching reputable F-150 tuners....

FoMoCoSHO

Quote from: dubcitySHO on June 10, 2017, 11:19:31 PM
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on June 10, 2017, 10:18:03 PM

Torque source 7 is trans torque management.

You want that one.

Right, but it's appearing halfway through 1st gear, not when the shift is commanded.
Lol, well at least I'm not the only that generates odd TS codes...

dubcitySHO

Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on June 10, 2017, 11:24:31 PM

Lol, well at least I'm not the only that generates odd TS codes...

I'm here with you, but unlike you and SBS I'm only pushing 93oct power figures so you guys have it a lot worse.  Mine only show up while brake boost launching. 

Does completely disabling Advance Trac rid you of the problem or does it still persist?
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FiveLeeter918

Old post, but any updates on this? Running into this condition myself.
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StealBlueSho

Quote from: FiveLeeter918 on August 14, 2018, 12:34:40 PM
Old post, but any updates on this? Running into this condition myself.

Only way around it is pulling the ABS fuse which lights up the dashboard like a Christmas tree....

But i sold off the 2010 and got a 2016 PP... that solved the issue permanently...


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shoNoff

I'm having a problem win my 13PP car at the track. If I launch under brake boost the car doesn't shift out if first. You can almost feel like the computer holding the car back. The nose will dip a little almost like the throttle cuts out then shift into 2nd and shes back up and running. Seems to only happpend when I brakes boost over 2200rpm st the starting line. If I leave around 2500rpm or under really any boost this happens. Is this what I'm expirencing? It's driving me insane. Mind you it does this in both advancetrac sport mode and completely off.
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