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PSA: California is leading the way with methanol-free windshield washer fluid...

Started by JimBob_SF, April 21, 2017, 10:56:56 AM

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JimBob_SF

This one may need to be sticky.  I couldn't find -20 windshield washer fluid anywhere around the SF Bay Area, so I started to dig.  California has done it again...

California's CARB is the leader for clean emissions and many states are following.  So, what do they think of as harming the environment?  Methanol in windshield washer fluid is being replaced with ammonia or other chemicals.  So the appeal of $2/gallon -20 washer fluid getting you a 30% meth mixture is gone.  I spoke to Snow and they are hearing that customers in other states are finding the same issue, so it's catching on. 

What I've found:
1. You can still buy concentrate in CA.  At O'Reilly's I got a 32oz bottle of concentrate of 20/10 brand "Winter Boost" for $5.  The SDS sheet lists the methanol at 60-100%.  On the back, it actually lists the high-country counties where it's legal to be sold.
2. I grabbed the last three cases of CAM2 washer concentrate from Amazon.  It comes in 16 oz bottles in a 24 bottle case which is ~10 cents an oz for about a 99% mixture.  Heet and Polar are about 15 cents/oz. by the 24 bottle case because they are 12 oz bottles.  The 5 gallon tub of 'pure' methanol from Duda is 14 cents/gallon (delivered price of $90).

I'll find a local supplier of methanol eventually, but it gets hot during the summer and I liked the idea of the non-volatile, -20 washer fluid and it was a cheap option.

AJP turbo

California is incredibly gay or homosexual....literally and figuratively ....i dont see how a car enthusiast can even live there anymore
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ZSHO

Quote from: AJP turbo on April 21, 2017, 11:05:42 AM
California is incredibly gay or homosexual....literally and figuratively ....i dont see how a car enthusiast can even live there anymore
AJP R U Kidding me!!!!!. Z


2013 Performance Package SHO| Livernois Custom Methanol Tune|3-Bar Map|Reische-170-Stat|Full Race Tial-10psi BOV in Black|PPE-Gloss Black Hot Pipes|EPP Dual Intake in Gloss Black|PPE Catted DP|Corsa Sport Cat Back Exhaust|H&R Sport-Springs|CFM Performance Billet Valve Cover Breather In Gloss Black|Llumar 20%Ceramic window Tint|MSD Ignition Coils in Black|Extreme Roof Spoiler|Redline Fluids all around|Gearhead Intercooler|First-SHO With Direct Port Alky-VP-M1-100%-Methanol Injection|LMS-Custom-Dyno-Tuned @ 415whp-465wtq| Best Trap Speed of 115.54 mph|

paokara777

LOL I've been waiting for ZSHO to edit this for hours LOL

laughed when i saw it.
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ZSHO

Let's Due stay on TOPIC Respectively to the OP without the unconventional remarks. Z


2013 Performance Package SHO| Livernois Custom Methanol Tune|3-Bar Map|Reische-170-Stat|Full Race Tial-10psi BOV in Black|PPE-Gloss Black Hot Pipes|EPP Dual Intake in Gloss Black|PPE Catted DP|Corsa Sport Cat Back Exhaust|H&R Sport-Springs|CFM Performance Billet Valve Cover Breather In Gloss Black|Llumar 20%Ceramic window Tint|MSD Ignition Coils in Black|Extreme Roof Spoiler|Redline Fluids all around|Gearhead Intercooler|First-SHO With Direct Port Alky-VP-M1-100%-Methanol Injection|LMS-Custom-Dyno-Tuned @ 415whp-465wtq| Best Trap Speed of 115.54 mph|

StealBlueSho

Quote from: AJP turbo on April 21, 2017, 11:05:42 AM
California is incredibly gay or homosexual....literally and figuratively ....i dont see how a car enthusiast can even live there anymore


Don't worry... Calexit is coming soon...We will be down to 49 states soon...

Sorry I missed the unedited version...

ZSHO

Its unfortunately the unforeseen mishap's that sometimes steer members away and hopeful the OP(JimBob_SF)will be back so we can continue this Discussion once again. Z


2013 Performance Package SHO| Livernois Custom Methanol Tune|3-Bar Map|Reische-170-Stat|Full Race Tial-10psi BOV in Black|PPE-Gloss Black Hot Pipes|EPP Dual Intake in Gloss Black|PPE Catted DP|Corsa Sport Cat Back Exhaust|H&R Sport-Springs|CFM Performance Billet Valve Cover Breather In Gloss Black|Llumar 20%Ceramic window Tint|MSD Ignition Coils in Black|Extreme Roof Spoiler|Redline Fluids all around|Gearhead Intercooler|First-SHO With Direct Port Alky-VP-M1-100%-Methanol Injection|LMS-Custom-Dyno-Tuned @ 415whp-465wtq| Best Trap Speed of 115.54 mph|

FearlessAZ

Sorry but I don't really know anything on this subject. Why is the methanol so harmful to the environment with windshield wiper fluid? I could understand if we were sitting there, dumping out bottles. But it seems like a really minimal soution to a bigger problem.
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StealBlueSho

Quote from: FearlessAZ on April 21, 2017, 05:50:22 PM
Sorry but I don't really know anything on this subject. Why is the methanol so harmful to the environment with windshield wiper fluid? I could understand if we were sitting there, dumping out bottles. But it seems like a really minimal soution to a bigger problem.


Yea... meth vs ammonia.... hmmmmmmm

FearlessAZ

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Vortech347

Don't ever trust washer fluid.

When I ran Meth in my race car I purchased 5 gallon cans of 100%.  Then mixed with distilled.  I was making 10 gallons total for around 5$ a gallon. 
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