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Shift earlier for TQ.. thoughts this experiment ?

Started by TopherSho, April 13, 2017, 11:47:20 AM

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lamrith

'13 Sho PP, SCT x4, AJP 92-Octane rev6 (14psi&20spark) NGK 6510, 3Bar, K&N CAI, PPE Catted DP, Dynomax Axleback, 20*9.5 Voxx Lago w/ 275/40-20 GMAX AS-05.

FoMoCoSHO

I wondered this myself and if my tranny would behave I'd try 6750 or whatever RPM was needed to not breech 6750.

If you have DMRs enabled you could plug your torque curve into this calculator.

http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,5796.0.html

I ran a few different dynos and the results were the same showing the stark differences between PP/nonPP.

Whether this holds up in the real world, IDK, maybe the MKS will behave better so I can test it at the track.

TopherSho

#17
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on April 14, 2017, 11:24:49 PM
I wondered this myself and if my tranny would behave I'd try 6750 or whatever RPM was needed to not breech 6750.

If you have DMRs enabled you could plug your torque curve into this calculator.

http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,5796.0.html

I ran a few different dynos and the results were the same showing the stark differences between PP/nonPP.

Whether this holds up in the real world, IDK, maybe the MKS will behave better so I can test it at the track.

It dried enough to make some runs into 3rd.  I will check the logs and post them in a bit (ice cream run).. 

There was definitely more wheel spin/hop on engaging 2nd.   But there was also a scary 'blip' where it either spun the tire again or the fuel cut. 

Logs will tell..
2010 non-pp, 98k miles, 3-bar,  .026 plugs, SNOW-KIT STG1, AJPTurbu tune#35, 15.5+psi
Best 0-60 public road 4.35s
Best 1/4 of 12.61 no DA correction

TopherSho

Quote from: TopherSho on April 14, 2017, 11:41:36 PM
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on April 14, 2017, 11:24:49 PM
I wondered this myself and if my tranny would behave I'd try 6750 or whatever RPM was needed to not breech 6750.

If you have DMRs enabled you could plug your torque curve into this calculator.

http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,5796.0.html

I ran a few different dynos and the results were the same showing the stark differences between PP/nonPP.

Whether this holds up in the real world, IDK, maybe the MKS will behave better so I can test it at the track.

It dried enough to make some runs into 3rd.  I will check the logs and post them in a bit (ice cream run).. 

There was definitely more wheel spin/hop on engaging 2nd.   But there was also a scary 'blip' where it either spun the tire again or the fuel cut. 

Logs will tell..

Logs... I could not tell if there was a fuel issue or it spun the tire halfway through second.. but it definitely had a power interruption for less than 250ms
2010 non-pp, 98k miles, 3-bar,  .026 plugs, SNOW-KIT STG1, AJPTurbu tune#35, 15.5+psi
Best 0-60 public road 4.35s
Best 1/4 of 12.61 no DA correction

TopherSho

#19
The shift to 2nd is hooking up at a reported 4200rpm. So thats better but i would like to try for 4000.. 
The shift to third hooks up at 4000 +/- 50 rpm so that's awesome...

gear changes are happening at 31mph avg and 52.5 avg ..

Yet the time in LiveLink shows faster 0-60 for the 1st test,  but slower for the next 3 .. that baffles me.  Were shifting into much better TQ curve.  hmpf .. research time.

maybe i will make a run to 105 when i can and check that time.
2010 non-pp, 98k miles, 3-bar,  .026 plugs, SNOW-KIT STG1, AJPTurbu tune#35, 15.5+psi
Best 0-60 public road 4.35s
Best 1/4 of 12.61 no DA correction

TopherSho

scratch that.. i'm going to drive it another day and retest.
2010 non-pp, 98k miles, 3-bar,  .026 plugs, SNOW-KIT STG1, AJPTurbu tune#35, 15.5+psi
Best 0-60 public road 4.35s
Best 1/4 of 12.61 no DA correction

FoMoCoSHO

Crap, just realized I'm going from the 3.16 to the 2.77 final.

SHOdded

Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on April 15, 2017, 12:52:29 AM
Crap, just realized I'm going from the 3.16 to the 2.77 final.
Complaining about improvement?  :)
2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

FoMoCoSHO


SHOdded

2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

TopherSho

#25
well, that was fun.. yet perplexing.

it appears the TINY loss of HP negates the lower rpm and TQ range.  It is posting the same 0-60 as before .. despite shifting 500+ rpm early.

All things considered i will leave it there for now since it is NOT impacting performance when shifting sooner.

hrmpf...

Need to test 0-100 next but conditions were not good for that today. 


2010 non-pp, 98k miles, 3-bar,  .026 plugs, SNOW-KIT STG1, AJPTurbu tune#35, 15.5+psi
Best 0-60 public road 4.35s
Best 1/4 of 12.61 no DA correction

StealBlueSho

What are you getting 0-60? And are you break boosting or just mashing the gas? (On my phone, can't look at the log)

Colorado-SHOBro

Quote from: StealBlueSho on April 16, 2017, 08:46:09 PM
What are you getting 0-60? And are you break boosting or just mashing the gas? (On my phone, can't look at the log)
Just got done reading his logs from an earlier post. No brake boost(1100 rpm) netted high 4's low 5's on the 0-60. This was shifting around 5900 rpms. Can't seem to view the latest .zip file of logs he posted tho
11' SHO Tuxedo Metallic black-non PP | Highly sophisticated high altitude custom AJP Turbo E30 3Bar tune w/Wastegate mod | Cat'd ceramic PPE downpipes |170 stat| SP542 plugs .028 | PP trans cooler | H&R springs | RX catch can

12.8@108 @ 6,000ft DA.

SHOdded

2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

TopherSho

Quote from: Colorado-SHOBro on April 16, 2017, 11:07:49 PM
Quote from: StealBlueSho on April 16, 2017, 08:46:09 PM
What are you getting 0-60? And are you break boosting or just mashing the gas? (On my phone, can't look at the log)
Just got done reading his logs from an earlier post. No brake boost(1100 rpm) netted high 4's low 5's on the 0-60. This was shifting around 5900 rpms. Can't seem to view the latest .zip file of logs he posted tho

reposted ..
2010 non-pp, 98k miles, 3-bar,  .026 plugs, SNOW-KIT STG1, AJPTurbu tune#35, 15.5+psi
Best 0-60 public road 4.35s
Best 1/4 of 12.61 no DA correction