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weird boost behavior.. opinions please?

Started by TopherSho, February 13, 2017, 01:28:21 PM

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TopherSho

Quote from: StealBlueSho on February 14, 2017, 10:58:37 AM
Most tune files are encrypted... if its a .cef file then we can't open it... thats done to protect the IP of the tuner...

Got it. That's understandable..
2010 non-pp, 98k miles, 3-bar,  .026 plugs, SNOW-KIT STG1, AJPTurbu tune#35, 15.5+psi
Best 0-60 public road 4.35s
Best 1/4 of 12.61 no DA correction

StealBlueSho

Quote from: TopherSho on February 14, 2017, 10:52:54 AM
Quote from: Scott4957 on February 14, 2017, 10:29:40 AM
I see is exactly what you describe, the throttle is closing to about 25% mid pull and I would imagine that is what you are feeling. As to why, I can only speculate. At that point there is a boost spike, a knock event, timing is pulled and the throttle is closed quite a bit. I would love to see a 0-100 run, i'm curious to see what your throttle angle actual and commanded is over an entire run and I think AJP would like to see that as well. I would agree that it is tune related. I bet you wouldn't see that if you put your stock tune back on.

0-90mph WoT good enough?   (attached)


I don't see anything glaring in this log file... no throttle closures.. there is a blip on the throttle but it looks like its just that a blip.. probably dropped information from the recording.. it happens..

The only thing I can really see in this log that MIGHT be suspect is the heavy increase in the STFT on bank 1...you are bumping that 20% lean (or increase in fuel) at that point in the log.. usually as AJPTurbo has said, when STFT is off that much, the ECU is attempting to account for something it was not expecting.. however, its not bad enough the ECU is closing the throttle to preserve the motor.

I had the same problems with Torrie's tunes.. so I am familiar with them LOL...

TopherSho

#17
Super weird question. AND COMPLETE UNEDUCATED SPECULATION ON MY PART FOR BOOSTED RIGS ... Can you punch the throttle 'too fast"? from a 'neutral position'  ... I ask because I drag race and I can flip and hit the gas pedal extremely fast and pull .02-.06 RT's all night long. 

Is this a issue of too much pedal 'too quickly' in manual mode?   When I get back on the gas hard and fast am I overwhelming the ecu's response?

edit not enough diet dew for typing..
2010 non-pp, 98k miles, 3-bar,  .026 plugs, SNOW-KIT STG1, AJPTurbu tune#35, 15.5+psi
Best 0-60 public road 4.35s
Best 1/4 of 12.61 no DA correction

TopherSho

Quote from: StealBlueSho on February 14, 2017, 11:04:33 AM

I had the same problems with Torrie's tunes.. so I am familiar with them LOL...

... um .. can you elaborate ?
2010 non-pp, 98k miles, 3-bar,  .026 plugs, SNOW-KIT STG1, AJPTurbu tune#35, 15.5+psi
Best 0-60 public road 4.35s
Best 1/4 of 12.61 no DA correction

Scott4957

I'm just an armchair tuner wannabe but its not what I thought it might be in terms of how it was tuned. I still think its tune related though. No doubt the throttle closing is what you feel, as to why it does that when you ease into the gas in third I am not sure but it doesn't do it on a WOT run. You also have no knock on your WOT run, negative or positive which is surprising, but you do have knock in that part throttle log. I also don't see rail pressure in any of your logs, are you using a different config when logging for your tune revisions? Not sure how anyone is keeping and eye on your fuel pressure with these logs.
2013 Lincoln MKS EcoBoost, AJP Tuned

StealBlueSho

Quote from: TopherSho on February 14, 2017, 11:06:05 AM
Super weird question. AND COMPLETE UNEDUCATED SPECULATION ON MY PART FOR BOOSTED RIGS ... Can you punch the throttle 'too fast"? from a 'neutral position'  ... I ask because I drag race and I can flip and hit the gas pedal extremely fast and pull .02-.06 RT's all night long. 

Is this a issue of too much pedal 'too quickly' in manual mode?   When I get back on the gas hard and fast am I overwhelming the ecu's response?

edit not enough diet dew for typing..

Not sure? Here is a third gear pull from my car with AJPTurbo's tune... this was a punch from around 2K rpm's... no issues... smooth all the way through the RPM range...

StealBlueSho

#21
Quote from: Scott4957 on February 14, 2017, 11:35:51 AM
I'm just an armchair tuner wannabe but its not what I thought it might be in terms of how it was tuned. I still think its tune related though. No doubt the throttle closing is what you feel, as to why it does that when you ease into the gas in third I am not sure but it doesn't do it on a WOT run. You also have no knock on your WOT run, negative or positive which is surprising, but you do have knock in that part throttle log. I also don't see rail pressure in any of your logs, are you using a different config when logging for your tune revisions? Not sure how anyone is keeping and eye on your fuel pressure with these logs.

Its under the "Fuel Rear Pressure" datapoint.. same as Fuel Rail Pressure. Its measured in MPA's as opposed to PSI...

Just to note.. I too am just an armchair datalog reviewer... correction made.

Scott4957

Ah thanks. I like that AJP changes all those to stuff I can read and I don't have to math my way though it LOL
2013 Lincoln MKS EcoBoost, AJP Tuned

TopherSho

2010 non-pp, 98k miles, 3-bar,  .026 plugs, SNOW-KIT STG1, AJPTurbu tune#35, 15.5+psi
Best 0-60 public road 4.35s
Best 1/4 of 12.61 no DA correction

Scott4957

He'll come back around, hes a busy dude now that he is tuning!
2013 Lincoln MKS EcoBoost, AJP Tuned

StealBlueSho

Quote from: Scott4957 on February 14, 2017, 11:47:47 AM
Ah thanks. I like that AJP changes all those to stuff I can read and I don't have to math my way though it LOL


Yup, it's fun keeping metric and standard conversion tables in your head... I wonder if that's how people who bilingual see the world...


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TopherSho

I am in contact with him now.

Thanks everyone.  I think were going to call this one done.
2010 non-pp, 98k miles, 3-bar,  .026 plugs, SNOW-KIT STG1, AJPTurbu tune#35, 15.5+psi
Best 0-60 public road 4.35s
Best 1/4 of 12.61 no DA correction

TopherSho

#27
Quote from: StealBlueSho on February 14, 2017, 11:37:17 AM
Quote from: TopherSho on February 14, 2017, 11:06:05 AM
Super weird question. AND COMPLETE UNEDUCATED SPECULATION ON MY PART FOR BOOSTED RIGS ... Can you punch the throttle 'too fast"? from a 'neutral position'  ... I ask because I drag race and I can flip and hit the gas pedal extremely fast and pull .02-.06 RT's all night long. 

Is this a issue of too much pedal 'too quickly' in manual mode?   When I get back on the gas hard and fast am I overwhelming the ecu's response?

edit not enough diet dew for typing..

Not sure? Here is a third gear pull from my car with AJPTurbo's tune... this was a punch from around 2K rpm's... no issues... smooth all the way through the RPM range...

It will be nice to get that experience :),   It will be better to get to the bottom of the STFT 20% dumping as well.   But for now not worrying about manual mode causing throttle issues, and undue shock and drive train stress would be great.
2010 non-pp, 98k miles, 3-bar,  .026 plugs, SNOW-KIT STG1, AJPTurbu tune#35, 15.5+psi
Best 0-60 public road 4.35s
Best 1/4 of 12.61 no DA correction

StealBlueSho

Quote from: TopherSho on February 15, 2017, 04:52:46 PM
Quote from: StealBlueSho on February 14, 2017, 11:37:17 AM
Quote from: TopherSho on February 14, 2017, 11:06:05 AM
Super weird question. AND COMPLETE UNEDUCATED SPECULATION ON MY PART FOR BOOSTED RIGS ... Can you punch the throttle 'too fast"? from a 'neutral position'  ... I ask because I drag race and I can flip and hit the gas pedal extremely fast and pull .02-.06 RT's all night long. 

Is this a issue of too much pedal 'too quickly' in manual mode?   When I get back on the gas hard and fast am I overwhelming the ecu's response?

edit not enough diet dew for typing..

Not sure? Here is a third gear pull from my car with AJPTurbo's tune... this was a punch from around 2K rpm's... no issues... smooth all the way through the RPM range...

It will be nice to get that experience :),   it will be better to get to the bottom of the STFT 20% dumping as well.   But for now not worrying about manual mode causing issues throttle issues, and undue shock and drive train stress would be great.

The STFT is MOST likely the tune... if you get tuned by AJPTurbo he will smooth it out if it's a tune issue.


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TopherSho

Quote from: StealBlueSho on February 15, 2017, 04:55:30 PM
The STFT is MOST likely the tune... if you get tuned by AJPTurbo he will smooth it out if it's a tune issue.

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:) We will find out!
2010 non-pp, 98k miles, 3-bar,  .026 plugs, SNOW-KIT STG1, AJPTurbu tune#35, 15.5+psi
Best 0-60 public road 4.35s
Best 1/4 of 12.61 no DA correction