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Hesitation in boost and high rpm

Started by polskifacet, December 04, 2016, 12:27:49 AM

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StealBlueSho

Quote from: polskifacet on June 13, 2017, 10:18:29 PM
Logs . Thoughts?

Fuel pressure is holding well enough I suppose.. it dipping.. which it shouldn't with that tune but we already know this... but its not dipping below 1500 psi...

You are having a good amount of KR on every run...

I would be concerned with this tune for the winter months...

polskifacet

We'll see i think this last tune will hold be over a bit longer. I know AJP fine tune is the end goal. Bought some other accessories (catch can) so I would like to wait a bit before spending more money.
AEM Dryflo drop in. PP Transmission Cooler and thermostat. 160 tstat, 3 bar map, plugs, AJP 93 Tune, PP Shocks and Springs

StinkinLinkin13

Well... I hate to re-open this can of worms but add me to list of LMS tune users having this issue. I'm disappointed that this is still an issue as highly regarded as LMS appears to be. I expected a refined tune considering how long they have been doing it. I've only had it for a few weeks but is not quite what I expected. Don't get me wrong at moderate acceleration and low end improvements are very impressive. But WOT high rpm misfires and nosediving just ruin the tune. Not to mention the violent (banging) wot shifts on the 3 bar v11 perf tune. No way anyone in their right mind would treat their tranny like that and expect it to last. I know what firm tight shifts feel like and what breaking internals shifts feel like. This tune being the latter. Hopefully some solutions found soon. I'll admit I didn't read all 30 pages of this thread but has anyone found any successful fix for this issue?
Livernois Catless downpipes with Totalflow mufflers - AJP E40/Meth tune - Firestorm HPFP - DW 300 LPFP - Kenne Bell Boost-a-Pump - 3 Bar Map - Alky Controls Meth Injection - 160° Thermostat - EPP Hot Pipes - AEM Dryflow Filter - BOV VTA - SSM Polyurethane Torque Struts - H&R Sport Springs - 20"x10" Niche Veronas on 275/40-20 DWS06 -

FoMoCoSHO

Quote from: StinkinLinkin13 on January 21, 2018, 08:50:33 PM
Well... I hate to re-open this can of worms but add me to list of LMS tune users having this issue. I'm disappointed that this is still an issue as highly regarded as LMS appears to be. I expected a refined tune considering how long they have been doing it. I've only had it for a few weeks but is not quite what I expected. Don't get me wrong at moderate acceleration and low end improvements are very impressive. But WOT high rpm misfires and nosediving just ruin the tune. Not to mention the violent (banging) wot shifts on the 3 bar v11 perf tune. No way anyone in their right mind would treat their tranny like that and expect it to last. I know what firm tight shifts feel like and what breaking internals shifts feel like. This tune being the latter. Hopefully some solutions found soon. I'll admit I didn't read all 30 pages of this thread but has anyone found any successful fix for this issue?
Have you reached out to LMS?

polskifacet

Quote from: StinkinLinkin13 on January 21, 2018, 08:50:33 PM
Well... I hate to re-open this can of worms but add me to list of LMS tune users having this issue. I'm disappointed that this is still an issue as highly regarded as LMS appears to be. I expected a refined tune considering how long they have been doing it. I've only had it for a few weeks but is not quite what I expected. Don't get me wrong at moderate acceleration and low end improvements are very impressive. But WOT high rpm misfires and nosediving just ruin the tune. Not to mention the violent (banging) wot shifts on the 3 bar v11 perf tune. No way anyone in their right mind would treat their tranny like that and expect it to last. I know what firm tight shifts feel like and what breaking internals shifts feel like. This tune being the latter. Hopefully some solutions found soon. I'll admit I didn't read all 30 pages of this thread but has anyone found any successful fix for this issue?
Fix = AJP Tune
AEM Dryflo drop in. PP Transmission Cooler and thermostat. 160 tstat, 3 bar map, plugs, AJP 93 Tune, PP Shocks and Springs

StinkinLinkin13

Yes. Apparently I am another rare example. Although after doing just a little bit of searching online I've come to find it doesn't seem to be very rare at all. I am not interested in a "water down" version of the tune tho. I paid a decent amount of money including cai (which lets be honest does nothing except for the fact that its washable and sounds good) 160 tstat 3 bar map and full exhaust plus tuner. But when I mention it they say its "odd". Yet doesn't seem to be very odd at all. And don't be mistaken I am not dogging on LMS in any way. But this is a real issue that needs to be addressed and at very least acknowledged.
Livernois Catless downpipes with Totalflow mufflers - AJP E40/Meth tune - Firestorm HPFP - DW 300 LPFP - Kenne Bell Boost-a-Pump - 3 Bar Map - Alky Controls Meth Injection - 160° Thermostat - EPP Hot Pipes - AEM Dryflow Filter - BOV VTA - SSM Polyurethane Torque Struts - H&R Sport Springs - 20"x10" Niche Veronas on 275/40-20 DWS06 -

polskifacet

I tried for a year including driving to LMS, I made it a mission to call everyday. Z called in my behalf multiple times, they have no interest in changing their tune for you. Go with AJP and you'll just enjoy the car vs going down a rabbit hole.
AEM Dryflo drop in. PP Transmission Cooler and thermostat. 160 tstat, 3 bar map, plugs, AJP 93 Tune, PP Shocks and Springs

polskifacet

The least you should do is find a used x3 with an unlock left so you can log and try AJP's tune if we see the same fuel pressure drop (I still have it but AJP made tiny adjustments).
AEM Dryflo drop in. PP Transmission Cooler and thermostat. 160 tstat, 3 bar map, plugs, AJP 93 Tune, PP Shocks and Springs

AJP turbo

It still is possible that you have some mechanical problems but without viewing a datalog it can be tough to point fingers....Despite what some people and companies will admit, custom tuning for each specific car can be beneficial....In polski's case I don't think the tune was solely to blame but there was an unwillingness from LMS to alter the tune. Although there were no mechanical problems to be found.

You may have a weak fuel pump but we are speculating without a datalog. You may have an ignition problem since you are mentioning misfires but again a datalog with specific PID's would help.

I will say from the logs of LMS tunes I have seen, the typically don't run enough boost to cause fuel pressure issues which is why it's easy for them to sell "set it and forget it" type tunes...They were developed and tested engineered tunes, so while I would not call it a custom tune for your car it is not your run of the mill "canned" tune either. And that's also why I wouldn't be quick to call your tune the problem...I've seen it too many times where a person's car is not mechanically ready for a tune but people do it anyway...If you have a problem before a tune then you will have a worse problem after the tune.

Good luck getting them to acknowledge any of your so called tune issues.

We have seen it here before whether it's from someone leaving LMS for a resolution or going to LMS for a resolution, unfortunately your end game may be to switch tunes if you are not happy. You may be asking for something that simply won't happen.
SCT Dealer/Custom Calibrator                        
Specializing in 3.5 Ecoboost   
Remote/email custom tuning including E85 blends 
Authorized retailer for all SCT devices. 
 
Former:2014 PP SHO
3 bar 93 tune, Airaid, Stainless Works non catted DP's  
405whp/520tq
Dyno
     
Current:2016 F150 2.7 Ecoboost
Tuning in progress

StinkinLinkin13

Quote from: polskifacet on January 21, 2018, 09:35:47 PM
I tried for a year including driving to LMS, I made it a mission to call everyday. Z called in my behalf multiple times, they have no interest in changing their tune for you. Go with AJP and you'll just enjoy the car vs going down a rabbit hole.
That's discouraging to hear. I was thinking about trying a different tuner but haven't heard much when it comes to Unleashed or others... LMS seemed like a no brainer but here I am. So I am definitely considering it. They (LMS) don't seem to keen on returns and refunds in my reading.  "Its the cars fault" is what I have come across... The tune just "exposes" flaws that were already present in the vehicle that the stock tune hid. I mean come on. Idk man. But you're right I don't want to sit here chasing ghost. I've already done plug swaps sp534 various gap options 24 26 28 30 etc... The car has ALL fresh fluids. Coil boots etc. Use top tier 93 octane from various stations. Runs absolutely perfect on stock tune. I may be left with no choice but to return the tuner and request refund and explore other tuning options if they'll be so courteous. It blows that this supposed easy mod was one of the reasons I went with this Ecoboosted MKS. And I am already having issues. I was already skeptical of the ability to tune a car reliably this way as I normally would get my cars tuned custom on a dyno... Idk. I will continue to search for a solution in the meantime and if I do find some mechanical issue with the car I will gladly admit it and post my findings. Again.To be clear. Not a knock on LMS but these are real issues that I am having and apparently others as well. Keep you posted on my findings. Any good data logging software recommendations lmk... I have Torque pro on my phone but haven't really tried their "data logging" not sure if it is a practical useful logger in a that sense.
Livernois Catless downpipes with Totalflow mufflers - AJP E40/Meth tune - Firestorm HPFP - DW 300 LPFP - Kenne Bell Boost-a-Pump - 3 Bar Map - Alky Controls Meth Injection - 160° Thermostat - EPP Hot Pipes - AEM Dryflow Filter - BOV VTA - SSM Polyurethane Torque Struts - H&R Sport Springs - 20"x10" Niche Veronas on 275/40-20 DWS06 -

AJP turbo

I have only personally used Livelink via SCT for logging so I can't really speak to the apps such as Torque pro but I think most here would agree that Livelink is the way to go for logging especially when trying to diagnose a problem or in depth data log analysis.

Also I would be careful when assuming that a dyno tune will give better results. Many people that dyno tune cars won't touch ecoboost..You really need a person that specializes with the platform, in fact that goes for any late model car in my book....Tuning is not simply tuning anymore...The ECU's and file sizes are so complex and large there is so much.

There is no real need for a dyno for these cars for the most part unless you are doing heads, cams and the likes...ANd most people aren't doing that with these cars becuse those parts don't really exist..I've said this before but a dyno will give you a controlled place to run the car if you don't have the capability to do it legally or safely...The car gives you all the data you need with all the sensors.

Remote tuning can be much more cost effective and complete...A dyno tune will cost 400-600 typically and you generally get half a day. A remote tune may cost 125-200. You may get 10 revisions to your tune for 150...Way more value there and you get a more complete tune. because the tuner will simply review the data that you did the work to obtain...If I dyno tune a car I'm locked into 1 persons car for hours...If I'm tuning remotely I can multitask so it's way more efficient for customer and tuner.

SCT Dealer/Custom Calibrator                        
Specializing in 3.5 Ecoboost   
Remote/email custom tuning including E85 blends 
Authorized retailer for all SCT devices. 
 
Former:2014 PP SHO
3 bar 93 tune, Airaid, Stainless Works non catted DP's  
405whp/520tq
Dyno
     
Current:2016 F150 2.7 Ecoboost
Tuning in progress

StinkinLinkin13

Yes sir. That's why I had confidence in LMS. I know they are virtually specialist with this platform which is why I was surprised at these issues. Including ridiculously violent trans shifts as well on the perf v11 tune on my particular MKS @ WOT(yes even AFTER a full tank/350+ miles of driving for the adaptive learning). I would assume it would be another hidden problem only exposed by the tune but always present before. It just seems at this point there's nothing more that can be done on their end except a milder tune... Which isn't what I paid for. Why should everyone else pay the same price and get a better more aggressive problem free tune experience. Well. We will see how this unfolds. Keep you posted. At this point with my personal experience I would not be able to recommend this tune/tuner... Understanding My experience is an "exception"...  I will look into that data logger. Thank you guys for your input.
Livernois Catless downpipes with Totalflow mufflers - AJP E40/Meth tune - Firestorm HPFP - DW 300 LPFP - Kenne Bell Boost-a-Pump - 3 Bar Map - Alky Controls Meth Injection - 160° Thermostat - EPP Hot Pipes - AEM Dryflow Filter - BOV VTA - SSM Polyurethane Torque Struts - H&R Sport Springs - 20"x10" Niche Veronas on 275/40-20 DWS06 -

AJP turbo

I would offer you a tune for free and then if you were satisfied and had better results you can pay later but unfortunately you would need a device.....I know it still kind of sucks because you paid good money already for your LMS stuff and they are generally the most expensive in the industry.

My gut feeling says you have other things wrong but that doesn't mean it can't be helped or diagnosed better with logs...I still think something was amiss with Polski's fuel system but we were able to help it...He changed everything possible and all I could do was say something was wrong without giving a reason other than my other tunes didn't respond like his....So we were all kind of correct with our accusations.

But you would have to datalog my way with your LMS tune first so we could see what is going on with that.
SCT Dealer/Custom Calibrator                        
Specializing in 3.5 Ecoboost   
Remote/email custom tuning including E85 blends 
Authorized retailer for all SCT devices. 
 
Former:2014 PP SHO
3 bar 93 tune, Airaid, Stainless Works non catted DP's  
405whp/520tq
Dyno
     
Current:2016 F150 2.7 Ecoboost
Tuning in progress

StinkinLinkin13

Thanks for the offer... I will definitely consider it. I definitely would reward the work should it work out. I am on the hunt to figure this out. I do like the challenge and hopefully will have some positive results soon. What is the device and where can I find one? SCT X3? Thanks again. Im just one of those guys that like things to operate at their maximum potential. Pain in the arse sometimes.
Livernois Catless downpipes with Totalflow mufflers - AJP E40/Meth tune - Firestorm HPFP - DW 300 LPFP - Kenne Bell Boost-a-Pump - 3 Bar Map - Alky Controls Meth Injection - 160° Thermostat - EPP Hot Pipes - AEM Dryflow Filter - BOV VTA - SSM Polyurethane Torque Struts - H&R Sport Springs - 20"x10" Niche Veronas on 275/40-20 DWS06 -

AJP turbo

An X3 would be your cheapest bet if you find one used....I sell devices but only new ones.
SCT Dealer/Custom Calibrator                        
Specializing in 3.5 Ecoboost   
Remote/email custom tuning including E85 blends 
Authorized retailer for all SCT devices. 
 
Former:2014 PP SHO
3 bar 93 tune, Airaid, Stainless Works non catted DP's  
405whp/520tq
Dyno
     
Current:2016 F150 2.7 Ecoboost
Tuning in progress