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AKEBONO Ceramic Pads

Started by ZSHO, December 01, 2016, 10:10:36 AM

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Primalzer

Quote from: sholxgt on September 05, 2017, 04:24:31 PM
Quote from: Primalzer on September 05, 2017, 04:05:20 PM
Yeah, sorry, forgot to mention that I've done the SHO PP/Police caliper/rotor swap on the fronts. The OEM semi-metallic pads are ridiculously dusty. Hence wanting to go ceramic.

Same with the Raybestos Police spec PP pads.  They are making a mess of my wheels.  To the point that I'm cleaning them twice a week just so they don't look too horrible.  One short errand run has my wheels dusty.  Three to four has my wheels black.

Those Akebono's are looking pretty good!  I would also need the PP pads as I swapped calipers also.  Cheapest brake upgrade ever!

Seriously, when I worked the prices, even with all Motorcraft parts, it ended up being like $100 more than a standard rotor/pad swap. A little extra work, but WELL worth it, IMO. Hell, Rockauto even took my old non-PP calipers on core.
2011 Ford Flex Limited EcoBoost
-2013+ PP SHO front brake conversion

ZSHO

Quote from: Primalzer on September 05, 2017, 04:05:20 PM
Yeah, sorry, forgot to mention that I've done the SHO PP/Police caliper/rotor swap on the fronts. The OEM semi-metallic pads are ridiculously dusty. Hence wanting to go ceramic.
I hope they live up to there expectations and are Dust-free for many,many days to come.......Best of luck and keep us updated on any progress.  Z


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  Had pretty good luck with EBC rotors/Red Pads, will be updating soon not sure if to go with reds again or possibly yellow pads.
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Macgyver

Quote from: Primalzer on September 05, 2017, 05:12:47 PM

Seriously, when I worked the prices, even with all Motorcraft parts, it ended up being like $100 more than a standard rotor/pad swap. A little extra work, but WELL worth it, IMO. Hell, Rockauto even took my old non-PP calipers on core.


So thats all the extra it would be to do the fronts and rear with PP calipers. Rotors. Pads. ? Or $100 front and $100 rear.

sholxgt

Quote from: Macgyver on September 05, 2017, 09:45:16 PM
Quote from: Primalzer on September 05, 2017, 05:12:47 PM

Seriously, when I worked the prices, even with all Motorcraft parts, it ended up being like $100 more than a standard rotor/pad swap. A little extra work, but WELL worth it, IMO. Hell, Rockauto even took my old non-PP calipers on core.


So thats all the extra it would be to do the fronts and rear with PP calipers. Rotors. Pads. ? Or $100 front and $100 rear.

Rear calipers are the same between '13+ PP and non-PP
Current - 2019 F150 Platinum FX4 3.5 EB
Formerly -2013 MKS Ecoboost Premium
PPE Catted DP's, 170 Reische TS, K&N Drop In, AJP Tune only at track - 12.87@106

Macgyver

Thats not bad then. If you want to go that route.

Primalzer

#21
Quote from: sholxgt on September 05, 2017, 10:41:13 PM
Quote from: Macgyver on September 05, 2017, 09:45:16 PM
Quote from: Primalzer on September 05, 2017, 05:12:47 PM

Seriously, when I worked the prices, even with all Motorcraft parts, it ended up being like $100 more than a standard rotor/pad swap. A little extra work, but WELL worth it, IMO. Hell, Rockauto even took my old non-PP calipers on core.


So thats all the extra it would be to do the fronts and rear with PP calipers. Rotors. Pads. ? Or $100 front and $100 rear.

Rear calipers are the same between '13+ PP and non-PP

Are you sure? The non-PP rotors are not vented, whereas the PP's are. Have not checked the part numbers though...

Unless you mean all '13+ vehicles. Everything <'12 besides SHO PP cars, had non-vented rears I believe.
2011 Ford Flex Limited EcoBoost
-2013+ PP SHO front brake conversion

Primalzer

Quote from: Macgyver on September 05, 2017, 09:45:16 PM
Quote from: Primalzer on September 05, 2017, 05:12:47 PM

Seriously, when I worked the prices, even with all Motorcraft parts, it ended up being like $100 more than a standard rotor/pad swap. A little extra work, but WELL worth it, IMO. Hell, Rockauto even took my old non-PP calipers on core.


So thats all the extra it would be to do the fronts and rear with PP calipers. Rotors. Pads. ? Or $100 front and $100 rear.

That's just for the fronts, I didn't feel like it was worth the time and effort to go through the rears, plus both my rear calipers are brand new Motorcraft units.

Here's the part number chart I used for the Motorcraft parts when I did them. A couple items of note: Amazon had the lowest shipping prices, then Rockauto, then Tasca. Probably should've included shipping. This was also 6+ months ago, so prices do fluctuate, so they probably are different now.

2011 Ford Flex Limited EcoBoost
-2013+ PP SHO front brake conversion

sholxgt

Quote from: Primalzer on September 06, 2017, 11:40:56 AM
Quote from: sholxgt on September 05, 2017, 10:41:13 PM
Quote from: Macgyver on September 05, 2017, 09:45:16 PM
Quote from: Primalzer on September 05, 2017, 05:12:47 PM

Seriously, when I worked the prices, even with all Motorcraft parts, it ended up being like $100 more than a standard rotor/pad swap. A little extra work, but WELL worth it, IMO. Hell, Rockauto even took my old non-PP calipers on core.


So thats all the extra it would be to do the fronts and rear with PP calipers. Rotors. Pads. ? Or $100 front and $100 rear.

Rear calipers are the same between '13+ PP and non-PP

Are you sure? The non-PP rotors are not vented, whereas the PP's are. Have not checked the part numbers though...

Unless you mean all '13+ vehicles. Everything <'12 besides SHO PP cars, had non-vented rears I believe.

Right.  I'm speaking only of '13+.  AFAIK, the only difference between PP and non-PP on '13+ cars are the front calipers and front and rear pads.
Current - 2019 F150 Platinum FX4 3.5 EB
Formerly -2013 MKS Ecoboost Premium
PPE Catted DP's, 170 Reische TS, K&N Drop In, AJP Tune only at track - 12.87@106

Primalzer

Quote from: sholxgt on September 06, 2017, 01:13:23 PM
Quote from: Primalzer on September 06, 2017, 11:40:56 AM
Quote from: sholxgt on September 05, 2017, 10:41:13 PM
Quote from: Macgyver on September 05, 2017, 09:45:16 PM
Quote from: Primalzer on September 05, 2017, 05:12:47 PM

Seriously, when I worked the prices, even with all Motorcraft parts, it ended up being like $100 more than a standard rotor/pad swap. A little extra work, but WELL worth it, IMO. Hell, Rockauto even took my old non-PP calipers on core.


So thats all the extra it would be to do the fronts and rear with PP calipers. Rotors. Pads. ? Or $100 front and $100 rear.

Rear calipers are the same between '13+ PP and non-PP

Are you sure? The non-PP rotors are not vented, whereas the PP's are. Have not checked the part numbers though...

Unless you mean all '13+ vehicles. Everything <'12 besides SHO PP cars, had non-vented rears I believe.

Right.  I'm speaking only of '13+.  AFAIK, the only difference between PP and non-PP on '13+ cars are the front calipers and front and rear pads.

Got it, yeah and even the differences between the front PP and non-PP calipers is questionable. I believe the pistons on the PP's have a higher temp threshold, but they are physically the same size from what I can gather.
2011 Ford Flex Limited EcoBoost
-2013+ PP SHO front brake conversion

SHOdded

Different seals on the calipers, plus the pistons are drilled to allow for better cooling.
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avidmotion

How are the Akebono pads vs stock PP SHO pads vs Hawk HPS?
The stock PP are ok. I've used performance friction aftermarket, Redstuff, Hawk HPS, PP stock and several others on my recent performance cars. Redstuff I had rotor issues, lasted 10 000 miles. Best luck I've had was with the Hawk HPS on several vehicles. I'd like to do the Hawks with my stock rotors with the vents, but if Akebono ceramic is better I would try them...any opinions?
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Primalzer

Quote from: avidmotion on September 24, 2017, 09:02:47 PM
How are the Akebono pads vs stock PP SHO pads vs Hawk HPS?
The stock PP are ok. I've used performance friction aftermarket, Redstuff, Hawk HPS, PP stock and several others on my recent performance cars. Redstuff I had rotor issues, lasted 10 000 miles. Best luck I've had was with the Hawk HPS on several vehicles. I'd like to do the Hawks with my stock rotors with the vents, but if Akebono ceramic is better I would try them...any opinions?

I'm on a few days with the Akebono ProACT ceramic fronts. Honestly, the bite is pretty much the same as the OEM semi-metallics. The ceramics maybe ever so slightly better bite, but very well could be my imagination. Either way, not a huge difference IMO. So far, the noise and the dust have been nill with the ceramics, which is mainly what I was chasing.
2011 Ford Flex Limited EcoBoost
-2013+ PP SHO front brake conversion

ZSHO

#28
Quote from: Primalzer on September 25, 2017, 03:19:03 PM
Quote from: avidmotion on September 24, 2017, 09:02:47 PM
How are the Akebono pads vs stock PP SHO pads vs Hawk HPS?
The stock PP are ok. I've used performance friction aftermarket, Redstuff, Hawk HPS, PP stock and several others on my recent performance cars. Redstuff I had rotor issues, lasted 10 000 miles. Best luck I've had was with the Hawk HPS on several vehicles. I'd like to do the Hawks with my stock rotors with the vents, but if Akebono ceramic is better I would try them...any opinions?

I'm on a few days with the Akebono ProACT ceramic fronts. Honestly, the bite is pretty much the same as the OEM semi-metallics. The ceramics maybe ever so slightly better bite, but very well could be my imagination. Either way, not a huge difference IMO. So far, the noise and the dust have been nill with the ceramics, which is mainly what I was chasing.
I would give them a couple hundred mile break in period!!
The ceramic brake pads work better once there warmed up and you will notice an overall initial improvement in stopping power,enjoy. Z

Break-in/Bedding procedure below

https://www.zeckhausen.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=6446_6443

http://stoptech.com/technical-support/technical-white-papers/bed-in-theory-definitions-and-procedures/brake-pad-bed-in


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Primalzer

I should've said, I'm a bit over 100 miles in. A couple of days, especially a weekend, is a decent amount of miles for me.

I usually bed my pads doing 5-6 concurrent hard braking stops from 40 mph with 1/2 mile inbetween to keep the temperature down.
2011 Ford Flex Limited EcoBoost
-2013+ PP SHO front brake conversion