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Started by gdonley308, November 06, 2016, 06:16:07 PM

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gdonley308

Since June my 2014 Explorer has spent a total of 29.5 days in the service department for defective throttle bodies?! Anyone else experiencing this issue?
2014 "Torrie 93 Octane Tune " Explorer 3.5l Ecoboost JMS Boost Max, JMS Pedal Max,3 Bar Map, AEM Dry Panel, RX Performance Catch Can and One Way Oil Breather,170° T-Stat, BOV's vent to atmosphere, no plastic engine cover to trap heat, rear hood gasket removed to let out heat

gdonley308

Has anyone else experienced a throttle body failure on their Ecoboost?
2014 "Torrie 93 Octane Tune " Explorer 3.5l Ecoboost JMS Boost Max, JMS Pedal Max,3 Bar Map, AEM Dry Panel, RX Performance Catch Can and One Way Oil Breather,170° T-Stat, BOV's vent to atmosphere, no plastic engine cover to trap heat, rear hood gasket removed to let out heat

AJP turbo

Maybe the JMS boost and pedal max didnt work so well.....29 days for a throttle body?..just swap a new TB
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Former:2014 PP SHO
3 bar 93 tune, Airaid, Stainless Works non catted DP's  
405whp/520tq
Dyno
     
Current:2016 F150 2.7 Ecoboost
Tuning in progress

SHOdded

Sorry to hear!  1 incident or multiple?  Very rare to hear of TBs going bad, but happens time to time.  Usually a bad motor/integrated motor-sensor.  What is the svc dept telling you?
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If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

gdonley308

If you search wrench light followed by "terrain system management fault" online you'll see this is actually an epidemic. They don't keep the throttle bodies in stock. They said if I installed a BBK they'd void the power train warranty because it says " not for emission controlled vehicles". The JMS doesn't cause this, it's happening to stock Ford vehicles allot. North Carolina petitioned NHTSA to have Ford recall every vehicle with these throttle bodies. Fords answer to avoid a massive recall is to give you a 150,000 mile warranty and 100% customer satisfaction. When this happens the car loses all power and limps at 15mph with the gas pedal doing nothing. Can't shift, power steering is affected. 14.5 days in service dept. in June, 15 days in October. The saddest part is, Ford could care less and they're well aware of this issue. A 17yr old girl died in North Carolina when she pulled out and lost power then a semi hit her.
2014 "Torrie 93 Octane Tune " Explorer 3.5l Ecoboost JMS Boost Max, JMS Pedal Max,3 Bar Map, AEM Dry Panel, RX Performance Catch Can and One Way Oil Breather,170° T-Stat, BOV's vent to atmosphere, no plastic engine cover to trap heat, rear hood gasket removed to let out heat

ZSHO

I was curious if they looked at the TPS because i know in some earlier versions,models that a new kit was released to remedy similar issues.  Z


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gdonley308

This was #2 in four months?! The electronics part in Mexican made.
2014 "Torrie 93 Octane Tune " Explorer 3.5l Ecoboost JMS Boost Max, JMS Pedal Max,3 Bar Map, AEM Dry Panel, RX Performance Catch Can and One Way Oil Breather,170° T-Stat, BOV's vent to atmosphere, no plastic engine cover to trap heat, rear hood gasket removed to let out heat

AJP turbo

Does it do it when stock?
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Specializing in 3.5 Ecoboost   
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Former:2014 PP SHO
3 bar 93 tune, Airaid, Stainless Works non catted DP's  
405whp/520tq
Dyno
     
Current:2016 F150 2.7 Ecoboost
Tuning in progress

gdonley308

Yes, it's being reported allot on vehicles 2011-2014 the most. Do a search "Ford Vehicles wrench light followed by terrain system management fault", I think you'll be as shocked as I was, by the number of these incidents
2014 "Torrie 93 Octane Tune " Explorer 3.5l Ecoboost JMS Boost Max, JMS Pedal Max,3 Bar Map, AEM Dry Panel, RX Performance Catch Can and One Way Oil Breather,170° T-Stat, BOV's vent to atmosphere, no plastic engine cover to trap heat, rear hood gasket removed to let out heat

FoMoCoSHO

Who told you they would void your entire powertrain warranty over a bbk?

SHOdded

It's been a problem for many vehicles since ETBs started being used at Ford, the first big brouhaha was with the Fusion.  The Edge has had its' share.  Wasn't aware that the Explorers were affected as well tho.
2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

AJP turbo

#11
I would take off the boost max and pedal max and return to stock?

So why has the dealer had it sooo long?

Was torrie aware that you had those contraptions latched on to the vehicle?...im curious .
SCT Dealer/Custom Calibrator                        
Specializing in 3.5 Ecoboost   
Remote/email custom tuning including E85 blends 
Authorized retailer for all SCT devices. 
 
Former:2014 PP SHO
3 bar 93 tune, Airaid, Stainless Works non catted DP's  
405whp/520tq
Dyno
     
Current:2016 F150 2.7 Ecoboost
Tuning in progress

92BlackGT

similar thing happened in my 2003 Nissan Maxima... these electronic throttle body's have had issues for a long time
'14 Taurus SHO - non PP, Unleashed E20 tune, 3 bar - 12.91 @ 106.5 mph
'93 Mustang Coupe - AFR 165's, FTI cam, ported Cobra intake - 13.05 @ 105.6 mph

AJP turbo

Quote from: 92BlackGT on November 08, 2016, 06:47:03 AM
similar thing happened in my 2003 Nissan Maxima... these electronic throttle body's have had issues for a long time

The problem usually is the delivered tq vs actual tq and the calibration itself and not the actual hardware or throttle body..All calculations for torque delivery in the tune start at the pedal with modern drive by wire....the OEM is trying to fine tune the feel of the power delivery then conflicts with the calculations are created within the tune inadvertently
SCT Dealer/Custom Calibrator                        
Specializing in 3.5 Ecoboost   
Remote/email custom tuning including E85 blends 
Authorized retailer for all SCT devices. 
 
Former:2014 PP SHO
3 bar 93 tune, Airaid, Stainless Works non catted DP's  
405whp/520tq
Dyno
     
Current:2016 F150 2.7 Ecoboost
Tuning in progress

BlueSHO

Quote from: AJP turbo on November 08, 2016, 08:27:43 AM
Quote from: 92BlackGT on November 08, 2016, 06:47:03 AM
similar thing happened in my 2003 Nissan Maxima... these electronic throttle body's have had issues for a long time

The problem usually is the delivered tq vs actual tq and the calibration itself and not the actual hardware or throttle body..All calculations for torque delivery in the tune start at the pedal with modern drive by wire....the OEM is trying to fine tune the feel of the power delivery then conflicts with the calculations are created within the tune inadvertently

So your saying this is usually a tune problem?
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