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Is our hpfp used in any other di?

Started by tgambob, April 22, 2016, 03:10:29 PM

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tgambob

Is our 3.5 hpfp specific to ford or is it an off the shelf delphi unit? Like the Mazda speeds or vw/audi? Any commonality in displacement of the pumps?
2010 non pp. Air raid, sct itsx, unleashed 93 boost, 3 bar, ngk

AJP turbo

I thought it was a rather common bosch...ask fomocosho he reads about our hpfp for fun and in his spare time lol
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tgambob

I was just seeing that there are rebuild services and kits to upgrade most other cars/trucks hpfp. So it got me thinking there might be some commonality with one of these kits
2010 non pp. Air raid, sct itsx, unleashed 93 boost, 3 bar, ngk

Blackhawk

People aren't willing to put in R&D because of our limited market which I can't blame businesses for.  The fuel system limits are kind of a let down for the platform and will probably be why I go a different direction in the future.

Quote from: tgambob on April 22, 2016, 03:36:44 PM
I was just seeing that there are rebuild services and kits to upgrade most other cars/trucks hpfp. So it got me thinking there might be some commonality with one of these kits

AJP turbo

Actually for an oem system it allows for quite a bit of power increase over stock....people simply see that the system is maxxed out but thats at about at least 500 ftlbs of torque at the flywheel...not too shabby for stock fuel system...
SCT Dealer/Custom Calibrator                        
Specializing in 3.5 Ecoboost   
Remote/email custom tuning including E85 blends 
Authorized retailer for all SCT devices. 
 
Former:2014 PP SHO
3 bar 93 tune, Airaid, Stainless Works non catted DP's  
405whp/520tq
Dyno
     
Current:2016 F150 2.7 Ecoboost
Tuning in progress

BiGMaC

Just a note... bpd is putting down 617 AWHP with factory fuel pumps.. He does have meth injection... That is the equivalent of almost 800 CHP in an all wheel drive train.

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•2013 F250 CC Lariat 6.7EB Diesel -stock

FoMoCoSHO

Quote from: AJP turbo on April 22, 2016, 03:17:55 PM
I thought it was a rather common bosch...ask fomocosho he reads about our hpfp for fun and in his spare time lol
That is correct on all accounts

FoMoCoSHO

Quote from: tgambob on April 22, 2016, 03:10:29 PM
Is our 3.5 hpfp specific to ford or is it an off the shelf delphi unit? Like the Mazda speeds or vw/audi? Any commonality in displacement of the pumps?
It's a bosch unit and its used in pretty much all the Ecoboost applications and plenty of others like VW and Audi.

http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,4871.0.html

tgambob

So is there a possibility of some of those pump build kits having some commonality? Would you happen to know the pump model number and I will do some Google fu
2010 non pp. Air raid, sct itsx, unleashed 93 boost, 3 bar, ngk

FoMoCoSHO

HPD-5

The problem is it's not as simple as slapping on a bigger pump. (which exist)

These pumps are cam driven so we may be maxed by our cam profile and there also may be unknown tuning aspects involved.

Our current pump is capable of generating 3000 PSI but only creates 2150 from the factory.

I may have found somebody who can get us answers but I haven't heard back...yet.




EcoPowerParts

According to Geoff@Full-Race they were developing a pump for the truck but after only about 20-30% increase in output it broke the camshaft....
The cost was going to be around $1500 from my understanding, not enough to do E85 so IMHO not worth it.
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SHOdded

Do you know what specific design changes FullRace made for the truck pump?  Off the top of my head, one would think gearing and materials change would be needed.
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EcoPowerParts

Quote from: SHOdded on April 23, 2016, 04:05:53 PM
Do you know what specific design changes FullRace made for the truck pump?  Off the top of my head, one would think gearing and materials change would be needed.
It wasn't Full-Race it was Bosch or somebody, the pressure from the pump trying to squeeze the fuel broke the cam in half...
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CroR1

#13
That's sad that Ford did not use stronger parts on these engines, knowing that people mod their other models like mustang and focus... they should have assumed same would be done on these turbo cars. They should have left consumers some room to play.

Quote from: EcoPowerParts on April 23, 2016, 09:37:07 PM
Quote from: SHOdded on April 23, 2016, 04:05:53 PM
Do you know what specific design changes FullRace made for the truck pump?  Off the top of my head, one would think gearing and materials change would be needed.
It wasn't Full-Race it was Bosch or somebody, the pressure from the pump trying to squeeze the fuel broke the cam in half...

SHOdded

From http://www.supersixmotorsports.com/_pdf/cyclone-tech-v2.pdf ---
EcoBoost uses what appears to be a billet steel intake cam with the
special lobe. We've already seen one generic cam broken in two, so perhaps the EcoBoost billet cam was intended to
add some strength due to the mechanical fuel pump.
2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!