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Is it really AWD?

Started by geswek, July 12, 2013, 07:58:08 PM

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geswek

Interesting.

Question 1; is that Torque that put those markers on your video?

Question 2; that was front hop into 2nd, same thing I currently hear right?

Question 3; did I have a BOV? or did you break traction in maybe 3-4 or something?

EcoPowerParts

Quote from: geswek on July 12, 2013, 08:43:41 PM
Interesting.

Question 1; is that Torque that put those markers on your video?

Question 2; that was front hop into 2nd, same thing I currently hear right?

Question 3; did I have a BOV? or did you break traction in maybe 3-4 or something?
That is the Torque application with the track recorder plugin
Yes, that is wheel hop into 2nd gear
Yes, I have my factory blow off valves set to vent to atmosphere. I did a write up on the forum under the How To section.
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geswek

Quote from: 4DRHTRD on July 12, 2013, 09:51:39 PM
That is the Torque application with the track recorder plugin
Yes, that is wheel hop into 2nd gear
Yes, I have my factory blow off valves set to vent to atmosphere. I did a write up on the forum under the How To section.

HMM; so it basically lets you run your camera on cell phone?

Yeah, I saw the how-to. I just didn't know if that was what I was hearing; kinda loud.

I LIKE. hmm; may have to try it if I can find the parts. :P

EcoPowerParts

Yes you record video while using torque, Google torque plugins to find it.

Sent from my phone with lots of misspelled words...

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So even in cornering, no awd?

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Scott13SHO

Quote from: geswek on July 12, 2013, 08:36:40 PM
After reading that thread--it seems like "some" power will go to rear to the point it will cut out as my launching?

Well it has to have some protection...the theoretical limit for FWD is about 300HP due to the unequal length drive shafts on it, which will spin at different speeds due to the length. From what I understand, the tune on it will remove some of the overly nanny features that the stock one has, but won't let you grenade the drive train.

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geswek

Here I am about to slam 400hp at the wheels on it.

Lot of us have, lets see if holds up.

Needmoreboost

So this inspires more interesting questions.  Its looks like this car is at best a 65/35 split between the front and rear drive assuming a 150 lb torque capacity on the rear. 
1.) Is the car always sending some power to the rear?  At 80 mph light load cruising?
2.) Is there a way to reduce rear wheel power after say 50-60 mph and run full power to the front?  After your hooked and going why waste the power to the rear wheels.  Its called reducing driveline loss.
My opinion is the car would actually run better up top if it could push the power only through the front drive after say a certain speed.  For every corresponding foot of driveline there is a percentage loss.  With this car maybe best of both worlds is possible.  Thoughts?
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Quote from: Needmoreboost on July 16, 2013, 09:02:52 AM
So this inspires more interesting questions.  Its looks like this car is at best a 65/35 split between the front and rear drive assuming a 150 lb torque capacity on the rear. 
1.) Is the car always sending some power to the rear?  At 80 mph light load cruising?
2.) Is there a way to reduce rear wheel power after say 50-60 mph and run full power to the front?  After your hooked and going why waste the power to the rear wheels.  Its called reducing driveline loss.
My opinion is the car would actually run better up top if it could push the power only through the front drive after say a certain speed.  For every corresponding foot of driveline there is a percentage loss.  With this car maybe best of both worlds is possible.  Thoughts?
Think of this car as a FWD car all the time UNLESS it loses traction
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Quote from: Needmoreboost on July 16, 2013, 09:02:52 AM
So this inspires more interesting questions.  Its looks like this car is at best a 65/35 split between the front and rear drive assuming a 150 lb torque capacity on the rear. 

I would say its a 65/35 split, given a say a 20% drive train loss through the transmission, which would put the total torque # under 300 Ft lbs, which would mean a 50/50 transfer
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Needmoreboost

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Quote from: Scott13SHO on July 16, 2013, 09:14:11 AM
Quote from: Needmoreboost on July 16, 2013, 09:02:52 AM
So this inspires more interesting questions.  Its looks like this car is at best a 65/35 split between the front and rear drive assuming a 150 lb torque capacity on the rear. 

I would say its a 65/35 split, given a say a 20% drive train loss through the transmission, which would put the total torque # under 300 Ft lbs, which would mean a 50/50 transfer

Todays transmissions are not losing 20%.  Especially front drive cars lose even less than traditional rear drive cars.  Front drive is 8-12% usually and rear 15-18%.  Back to back dyno's on the newer bone stock 5.0 mustangs show the standard and auto numbers almost exactly the same.  Actually the auto made more hp while the manual made more torque by a few ponies.  These cars with a tune only are making way more than 300 ft lbs at the front wheels.  As stated the rear wheels appear to be only activated under front slip.  Good stuff to contemplate on.  Some form of PTU controller would be nice to test on a track.
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Scott13SHO

Quote from: Needmoreboost on July 16, 2013, 10:33:09 AM

Todays transmissions are not losing 20%.  Especially front drive cars lose even less than traditional rear drive cars.  Front drive is 8-12% usually and rear 15-18%.  Back to back dyno's on the newer bone stock 5.0 mustangs show the standard and auto numbers almost exactly the same.  Actually the auto made more hp while the manual made more torque by a few ponies.

A difference of 5HP or 5 FT lb of Torque is inconsequential when testing car...there is NO way that a FWD transmission is losing 8-12% at the wheels...if anything the HP or TQ are being sandbagged by the manufacture, thus the discrepancy
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Needmoreboost

Quote from: Scott13SHO on July 16, 2013, 10:43:30 AM
Quote from: Needmoreboost on July 16, 2013, 10:33:09 AM

Todays transmissions are not losing 20%.  Especially front drive cars lose even less than traditional rear drive cars.  Front drive is 8-12% usually and rear 15-18%.  Back to back dyno's on the newer bone stock 5.0 mustangs show the standard and auto numbers almost exactly the same.  Actually the auto made more hp while the manual made more torque by a few ponies.

A difference of 5HP or 5 FT lb of Torque is inconsequential when testing car...there is NO way that a FWD transmission is losing 8-12% at the wheels...if anything the HP or TQ are being sandbagged by the manufacture, thus the discrepancy

I'm talking from the engine (crank hp) to the wheels.  Not the transmission to the wheels.  I made quite a few dyno pulls (different tunes and setups) on my front drive turbo car and I would agree the lower percentage is more accurate.  But, even with front drive there is transmission and halfshafts etc. that the power still has to travel through to make whp.  Albeit less than rear drive.
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