Anyone install the new turbo smart 7Lb wastegate in there 2013+ SHO

ddlopes · February 07, 2016, 01:27:49 PM

I've read a few articles where a turbo smart wastegate was installed on a ecoboost motor and made substantial gains in the middle of the curve. Has anyone tried installing one..

SHOdded · February 07, 2016, 02:09:14 PM

Have had an Edge owner put one on his 2.0EB, definte sound change, but not sure if there was any resulting power gain. Did the ones you refer to have stock spring rate or higher?

AJP turbo · February 07, 2016, 03:18:45 PM

Really dont see how many it would change power or sound...id love to see first hand....the car will target what it is programmed for...torque and dash command guys you should start looging desired tip.

When you change wastegate spring pressure the wastegate duty cycles will need to change to hit the target tip pressures...if they change enough then dtc's will result

There just isnt a need for a part like this..u can make the stock turbos run 20 psi at 2k rpms...if thats not early and fast enough spool i dont know what is....not a good idea to change hardware without software changes in todays cars

EcoPowerParts · February 07, 2016, 10:46:47 PM

If you buy the EPP upgraded turbos we include them as part of the price.

ddlopes · February 08, 2016, 05:34:12 PM

I've read a few articles/forums about these turbo smart wastegates improving the vehicles mid range hp and trq. Although peak numbers really didn't change much on the 2.3 or 3.5 ecoboost engines I've read about. Which is fine with me I'd rather have the power where it's used more often. And with almost any performance mod to these motors I'd datalog and have torrie retune as needed. I'm close to pulling the trigger I'd just like to know if anyone has installed them and what if any issues they had with the install. I've read that the wastegate mounting holes for the F150 needed to be enlarged due to them being too narrow.

SHOdded · February 08, 2016, 06:30:23 PM

This is an article re: TurboSmart on the EB Mustang -
http://www.stangtv.com/?p=457682

Might be dynos for other model lines, just not as easy to find?

AJP turbo · February 08, 2016, 07:54:07 PM

Ive read before about it....its a good upgrade for people that dont know how to tune or a professional that doesn't understand the tuning either

If it makes more power its because its confusing the closed loop boost control system that the ecu employs...and all ecoboost controllers are not the same anyway.

If u get a result then good....but i can assure you its not the right way and your tuning parameters will be out of whack....but most people wont care about that...just like how some people run larger injectors because someone that didnt know what they were talking about told them to do it when there really is a fuel pressure problem....it kind of works but not really.

If your wgdc is at 100% and you are not making the boost you desire and your turbo is capable of that boost then you need a wastegate spring change....if your wgdc is not at 100% and you are not making the boost you desire then adjust the tune to raise wgdc to achieve more boost if you know how.....its really that simple

The fact that we have closed loop electronic boost control means we can do way more with tuning than a hard part change could ever do...but im wasting my breath and that part will be bought anyway

It ranks up there with drilling a hole in your intercooler...maybe not quite that bad

Gray Brick · February 09, 2016, 02:12:34 AM

So what do you recommend for more boost across the RPM range?

Tune or new wastegate?

AJP turbo · February 09, 2016, 03:03:50 AM

Quote from: Gray Brick on February 09, 2016, 02:12:34 AM
So what do you recommend for more boost across the RPM range?

Tune or new wastegate?

Tune

From just your snap shot , you wgdc during the wot is only about 76% and thats a spike...its in the 60's% mostly....so you want more boost?...there is room for more on that spring

Gray Brick · February 09, 2016, 03:08:58 AM

With a good tune should the boost be flatter along the rpm range?

On long gear pulls it slowly loses boost as RPM's rise.

AJP turbo · February 09, 2016, 03:15:58 AM

Quote from: Gray Brick on February 09, 2016, 03:08:58 AM
With a good tune should the boost be flatter along the rpm range?

On long gear pulls it slowly loses boost as RPM's rise.

Id have to see more of the log...sometimes it can appear that boost is falling off but in fact it is just getting closer to what you are commanding.....you should log desired tip...then you will know where you are supposed to be boost wise..when your boost spikes at the gear change sometimes it takes a little bit for it to fall where it needs to be...ive been tuning on the boost curve for sometime now i wanted it flat and the same in all gears....you can get damn close through tuning...some limitations are in the controller though...and you can use throttle limiters to smooth outh the curve but that is not desirable for power

14SHOCAR · February 09, 2016, 09:49:38 AM

There AJPTurbo goes again...

I'd love to hear his thoughts on electric turbos LOL

ddlopes · February 09, 2016, 12:01:16 PM

Quote from: 14SHOCAR on February 09, 2016, 09:49:38 AM
There AJPTurbo goes again...

I'd love to hear his thoughts on electric turbos LOL

LOL

AJP turbo · February 09, 2016, 05:43:08 PM

Quote from: 14SHOCAR on February 09, 2016, 09:49:38 AM
There AJPTurbo goes again...

I'd love to hear his thoughts on electric turbos LOL

Real electric turbos are cool, i think there are some factory electrically assisted turbos....but those stupid fan things....terrible lol....one guy i worked with put one on his ford probe....i humiliated that guy and he had no choice but to take it off...i car shamed him

http://youtu.be/cbGWgvJN1_8

Lol

Gray Brick · February 10, 2016, 03:46:05 AM

Please take a look at the attached data log.

Thanks in advance....