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*HOW-TO* 2013+ Brakes on a 2010-2012...THEY WORK!!

Started by timbo, December 27, 2015, 10:08:47 PM

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tgambob

I think pa just dosent want me driving a straighpiped 393 bronco sitting on 37s around lol. When I try looking through my numbers for pp vs non pp I come up with 2c208 and 2k004 both of which have a non pp/ interceptor call out and then a -1 version of both for sho pakage 1 (pp) which for all my Google fu gets me are severely cut down versions. For 7 dollars a piece I may order both and compare. The other big change is the knuckles and wheel bearings are different between the sho/interceptor and pp. They may have changed the bolt pattern on the bearing which may change the baking plate. I was really kind of surprised knuckles and bearings are different yet axles are the same
2010 non pp. Air raid, sct itsx, unleashed 93 boost, 3 bar, ngk

AJP turbo

I think the knuckles and bearings are only different between the 4.1 and 4.2 gen cars....bolt patteren for hubs are all the same
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tgambob

I'm looking a 13 non pp and 13 pp vin numbers for the part lookups. It's showing a difference idk. I meant for the bearing bolts to the knuckles for the bolt pattern. Bigger bearing usually means bigger bolt pattern or why the change in the knuckle itself?
2010 non pp. Air raid, sct itsx, unleashed 93 boost, 3 bar, ngk

Primalzer

New member, sorry bumping an old thread, but I was using this as a guide for a swap on my 2011 EB Flex...

Here are the parts the OP spec'd

QuoteParts (All motorcraft except rotors and pads)
Calipers: BRCF208/BRCF209
Caliper Brackets: BRBC28/BRBC29
Rotors: Raybestos 680982
Pads: Raybestos EHT1611H
Hoses:  BRHF129/BRHF64

Here are the parts I spec'd off of Rockauto mostly

QuoteCaliper
Motorcraft FR BRCF292
Motorcraft FL BRCF293

Rotor
MOTORCRAFT BRRF112 or MOTORCRAFT BRR252 or RAYBESTOS 680982

Pads
RAYBESTOS PGD1611C or MOTORCRAFT BR1611

Caliper Bracket
R&L DG1Z2B292A

Dust Shield
FL DG1Z2K005A
FR DG1Z2K004A

Possible stainless brake line
Goodridge 12348 Brake Line

Now my questions lie in the calipers and brackets...I've been told the Police Interceptor Utility with HD brakes and the Flex with HD brakes are the same as SHO HD brakes...is that a wrong assumption? Also, the brackets I found off the Ford parts website don't spec a different caliper bracket between right and left...just the one...

Any help would be appreciated
2011 Ford Flex Limited EcoBoost
-2013+ PP SHO front brake conversion

timbo

The caliper brackets are identical between left and right sides.  The calipers are only different because of the location of the bleeder, otherwise, the castings are identical.

The calipers themselves may have a different part # for the PP due to the vented pistons that are installed.

Hope that helps.
2011 SHO PP - Mild mods and 13+ Brakes
2018 Explorer Sport - Stock

Primalzer

Quote from: timbo on November 14, 2016, 02:16:18 PM
The caliper brackets are identical between left and right sides.  The calipers are only different because of the location of the bleeder, otherwise, the castings are identical.

The calipers themselves may have a different part # for the PP due to the vented pistons that are installed.

Hope that helps.

When working with Ford's that is generally what I've come across. This platform is new to me though, I've generally stuck to Panther's and trucks, so this is my first foray into the D3/4 platform. So when cross referencing everything, it got a bit hazy and convoluted.  Getting different information and part numbers from different sources. I think, reading through and searching through the Ford parts catalog, I've been able to lock down the part #'s I'll need. The organizer/researched/OCD person I am, I have all my parts listed in a spreadsheet with prices from multiple sources :roflpicard:
2011 Ford Flex Limited EcoBoost
-2013+ PP SHO front brake conversion

Ryan02Stang

I'm looking to do this on my 2012 MKS, but does anyone know if the Lincoln 19 inch wheels will clear the bigger brakes?  I don't want to have to upgrade to 20 inch wheels...
2015 Explorer Sport
2012 Lincoln MKS ecoboost, Unleashed
2002 Mustang GT, Vortech Supercharged

sholxgt

I would be really surprised if there were a clearance issue given that the rotor size on all '13+ are the same and they still come with 19" wheels.
Current - 2019 F150 Platinum FX4 3.5 EB
Formerly -2013 MKS Ecoboost Premium
PPE Catted DP's, 170 Reische TS, K&N Drop In, AJP Tune only at track - 12.87@106

SHOdded

Do the PP calipers also clear the 19" or just need a little grinding down, or not fit at all?
2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

sholxgt

Quote from: SHOdded on November 15, 2016, 05:47:13 PM
Do the PP calipers also clear the 19" or just need a little grinding down, or not fit at all?

The '13+ PP calipers are the exact same body as the non-PP.  Differences are only internal...different seals and vented pistons.  The actual caliper body is identical and bolts to the exact same brackets.

I even returned my factory calipers for a large core credit in the PP boxes as they are identical in appearance save for the red seals.

Cost was around $40 per caliper doing it that way.  Small price for brand new upgraded calipers.
Current - 2019 F150 Platinum FX4 3.5 EB
Formerly -2013 MKS Ecoboost Premium
PPE Catted DP's, 170 Reische TS, K&N Drop In, AJP Tune only at track - 12.87@106

Primalzer

Quote from: Ryan02Stang on November 15, 2016, 04:46:33 PM
I'm looking to do this on my 2012 MKS, but does anyone know if the Lincoln 19 inch wheels will clear the bigger brakes?  I don't want to have to upgrade to 20 inch wheels...

Fancy meeting you here, haha
2011 Ford Flex Limited EcoBoost
-2013+ PP SHO front brake conversion

Primalzer

Quote from: Primalzer on November 17, 2016, 12:13:24 PM
Quote from: Ryan02Stang on November 15, 2016, 04:46:33 PM
I'm looking to do this on my 2012 MKS, but does anyone know if the Lincoln 19 inch wheels will clear the bigger brakes?  I don't want to have to upgrade to 20 inch wheels...

Fancy meeting you here, haha

Not that I would, but could you, theoretically, throw the non-PP calipers on the PP brackets, and run the larger rotor set?
2011 Ford Flex Limited EcoBoost
-2013+ PP SHO front brake conversion

derfdog15

Quote from: Ryan02Stang on November 15, 2016, 04:46:33 PM
I'm looking to do this on my 2012 MKS, but does anyone know if the Lincoln 19 inch wheels will clear the bigger brakes?  I don't want to have to upgrade to 20 inch wheels...

Not 100% guaranteed, but you should be able to fit an 18" wheel with correct backspace, the 19" OE wheels should work.

It may even be possible to clear certain 17" wheels if so desired with the PP brakes.
2015 Tuxedo Black SHO PP -(SAE corrected): 369.4/451.4 - Gone to the automotive graveyard but not forgotten

2016 F150 FX4 Sport - 3.5L V6 Ecoboost - Stock for now

2003 Redfire V6 Mustang - Building to be an 11 second car

sholxgt

Quote from: Primalzer on November 17, 2016, 12:15:13 PM
Quote from: Primalzer on November 17, 2016, 12:13:24 PM
Quote from: Ryan02Stang on November 15, 2016, 04:46:33 PM
I'm looking to do this on my 2012 MKS, but does anyone know if the Lincoln 19 inch wheels will clear the bigger brakes?  I don't want to have to upgrade to 20 inch wheels...

Fancy meeting you here, haha

Not that I would, but could you, theoretically, throw the non-PP calipers on the PP brackets, and run the larger rotor set?

I want to make sure to say that my information is based on the SHO/MKS.  I'm not sure if it directly relates to other vehicles.

If you have a '10-'12 SHO/MKS, you need the brackets from a '13+ to upgrade to the larger rotors.  The '13+ has the same brackets regardless of PP or non-PP as the caliper bodies and rotor size are identical.
Current - 2019 F150 Platinum FX4 3.5 EB
Formerly -2013 MKS Ecoboost Premium
PPE Catted DP's, 170 Reische TS, K&N Drop In, AJP Tune only at track - 12.87@106

Primalzer

Quote from: sholxgt on November 17, 2016, 02:33:21 PM
Quote from: Primalzer on November 17, 2016, 12:15:13 PM
Quote from: Primalzer on November 17, 2016, 12:13:24 PM
Quote from: Ryan02Stang on November 15, 2016, 04:46:33 PM
I'm looking to do this on my 2012 MKS, but does anyone know if the Lincoln 19 inch wheels will clear the bigger brakes?  I don't want to have to upgrade to 20 inch wheels...

Fancy meeting you here, haha

Not that I would, but could you, theoretically, throw the non-PP calipers on the PP brackets, and run the larger rotor set?

I want to make sure to say that my information is based on the SHO/MKS.  I'm not sure if it directly relates to other vehicles.

If you have a '10-'12 SHO/MKS, you need the brackets from a '13+ to upgrade to the larger rotors.  The '13+ has the same brackets regardless of PP or non-PP as the caliper bodies and rotor size are identical.

That much I know. I have a 2011 Flex, so I'll be upgrading brackets. Just for the future, if someone stumbled upon this thread, whether the stock (pre-'13) calipers or just the '13+ non-PP calipers would work with new brackets and rotors.
2011 Ford Flex Limited EcoBoost
-2013+ PP SHO front brake conversion