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Max Power/Torque on stock PTU?

Started by MrCockroach, July 02, 2015, 07:26:52 PM

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MrCockroach

I've been searching google and can't find the answer. What would be the absolute maximum amount of power you can send through the stock PTU? What would be considered a safe amount for a modified ecoboost motor?

glock-coma

I've heard 600 hp at the wheels is the max before issues start to rise.
2010 red candy metallic non PP 402B
AJPTURBO 2 BAR Tune Stock 14.1@100.3 / Tuned 12.83@107.7
K&N panel, RX OCC, Sp-534 @.30 Tint 50%F-35%R BOV bypass
1997 SHO silver frost (sold)
1990 SHO triple black 5-speed (saved my life)

AJP turbo

I would say a safe amount would be about 300 or so at the wheels or about 365hp/350ftlbs of torque at the flywheel...I wouldn't really push it any harder than that
SCT Dealer/Custom Calibrator                        
Specializing in 3.5 Ecoboost   
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Former:2014 PP SHO
3 bar 93 tune, Airaid, Stainless Works non catted DP's  
405whp/520tq
Dyno
     
Current:2016 F150 2.7 Ecoboost
Tuning in progress

glock-coma


Quote from: ajpturbo on July 02, 2015, 08:23:51 PM
I would say a safe amount would be about 300 or so at the wheels or about 365hp/350ftlbs of torque at the flywheel...I wouldn't really push it any harder than that

I don't think the new guy will get your sense of humor. lol
2010 red candy metallic non PP 402B
AJPTURBO 2 BAR Tune Stock 14.1@100.3 / Tuned 12.83@107.7
K&N panel, RX OCC, Sp-534 @.30 Tint 50%F-35%R BOV bypass
1997 SHO silver frost (sold)
1990 SHO triple black 5-speed (saved my life)

peppelepugh

Quote from: glock-coma on July 02, 2015, 08:47:46 PM

Quote from: ajpturbo on July 02, 2015, 08:23:51 PM
I would say a safe amount would be about 300 or so at the wheels or about 365hp/350ftlbs of torque at the flywheel...I wouldn't really push it any harder than that

I don't think the new guy will get your sense of humor. lol

LOL i see what ya did there!!!! ***slaps knee***
2011 Kona Blue SHO non-PP: MDesign Carbon Fiber CAI, All interior lights LEDs, LED Puddles, and LED Reverse.

EBC Stage 4 Brake kit, 170* T-stat, 3-Bar MAP, NGK Plugs, PPE Catless-DPs and Tune by Torrie!

SHOdded

Most tuners like to keep it at about 400 awhp before they are reluctant to push any further, so I would say that is a practical limit.  Now absolute limit is likely to be around 550 awhp, if the rumors of Ford's 700 crank hp (subtract 20-23% for drivetrain loss for awhp) are to be believed.
2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

AJP turbo

Quote from: glock-coma on July 02, 2015, 08:47:46 PM

Quote from: ajpturbo on July 02, 2015, 08:23:51 PM
I would say a safe amount would be about 300 or so at the wheels or about 365hp/350ftlbs of torque at the flywheel...I wouldn't really push it any harder than that

I don't think the new guy will get your sense of humor. lol

I mean it's kind of a joke but at the same time not really....I used to get into the magic number idea years ago til I realized how silly that concept was..

Is it bad that I make myself laugh with my own comments sometimes.
SCT Dealer/Custom Calibrator                        
Specializing in 3.5 Ecoboost   
Remote/email custom tuning including E85 blends 
Authorized retailer for all SCT devices. 
 
Former:2014 PP SHO
3 bar 93 tune, Airaid, Stainless Works non catted DP's  
405whp/520tq
Dyno
     
Current:2016 F150 2.7 Ecoboost
Tuning in progress

Jtrain

Conversations like this always make me laugh.

Let's say at 365TQ, your tranny will last... 250k
When you got to 450TQ, Your tranny will last less, Let's say 100k
When you push it to 600+ Your tranny will probably last a couple of pulls.

It's all about torque, and it's mostly about heat. The more friction and heat soaking your clutch packs take, the less time your transmission will last.

I've toasted PLENTY of AT's to know about this. There is no Safe horsepower (Torque) because these aren't perfect machines that operate without friction. The more friction and heat the less time it will last.


Are there people who get crazy numbers and get some good millage out of it. Probably, it's the internet. If you have thousands of dollars to burn you can push it hard and find out if you're one of them!
2004 G35: Built Motor 8.8:1, Single Disc Kevlar Clutch, 3" Dual Turbo Back, G18 Twin Turbos, 18PSI, 600 Wheel HP
2007 Jeep SRT8 13.4 @104 Sold for....
2014 Ford Explorer Sport: K&N, .030 NGK plugs, 170 Tstat, 3Bar sensor, Tuned with SCT Tuner

FoMoCoSHO

The jtekt coupling is basically bullet proof, it is rated for cars from that make 150-1500 HP.

I'm trying to find the documentation i came across, I'm not sure which gadget i saved it on.

BiGMaC

Good info!

Still.... The more we ask of components the shorter the life. We're all wanting that optimal point.

•2013 Taurus SHO nonPP - All Ford factory options, 3BAR MAP, LMS v8 tune (mods for 3BAR, DPs, and T-stat), Paint & plastic correction, CQuart finest all exterior surfaces, limo black window tint,VLED Triton switchbacks, Daytime BrightLites switchback DRLs, full interior and exterior LED conversion, Lamin-X charcoal blackout tail lights and reflectors, PPE catted and coated downpipes, EBPP coated hotpipes with BoVs VTA, MDesign CAI
•2013 F250 CC Lariat 6.7EB Diesel -stock

FoMoCoSHO

http://www.fordfusionforum.com/topic/5190-jtekt-awd-itcc-system-electronic-control-unit-supplier/

It was in a Wards article that is now "premium content"... :banghead:

A snippet from that article can be found in the above link.