Started by jtoddk98, May 10, 2015, 10:16:31 PM
Quote from: glock-coma on May 12, 2015, 09:50:36 AMI signed up for the free sample from archoil to try it out. Just need to pay 4.95 shipping.The sample treats 80 gallons Here's the link if anyone is interested. It's for the fuel treatment only. http://archoil.powerstrokehelp.com
Quote from: wasinger3000 on May 11, 2015, 11:50:12 AMYeah I bought the 8oz fuel and the 16oz oil. Did some research into the fuel additive and found out GE uses it in their diesel locomotive engines as well as large cargo ship engines with great results.
Quote from: jtoddk98 on May 17, 2015, 11:31:00 PMQuote from: wasinger3000 on May 11, 2015, 11:50:12 AMYeah I bought the 8oz fuel and the 16oz oil. Did some research into the fuel additive and found out GE uses it in their diesel locomotive engines as well as large cargo ship engines with great results.any results yet?Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Quote from: sunwolf on May 11, 2015, 02:49:19 PMQuote from: FoMoCoSHO on May 11, 2015, 02:38:05 PMI would also like to know how it lowers ethanol content. Cause that's not necessarily a good thing in DI cars anyway....I wonder if the ethanol absorbs it like H2O?The reason I'm asking is because it can't. The methanol does not absorb the water, it allows the water to become soluble in the gas which allows it to be removed when it goes through the engine with the gas. This stuff shouldn't be able to make ethanol disappear, it just puts it somewhere else.
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on May 11, 2015, 02:38:05 PMI would also like to know how it lowers ethanol content. Cause that's not necessarily a good thing in DI cars anyway....I wonder if the ethanol absorbs it like H2O?
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on May 18, 2015, 01:50:06 AMQuote from: sunwolf on May 11, 2015, 02:49:19 PMQuote from: FoMoCoSHO on May 11, 2015, 02:38:05 PMI would also like to know how it lowers ethanol content. Cause that's not necessarily a good thing in DI cars anyway....I wonder if the ethanol absorbs it like H2O?The reason I'm asking is because it can't. The methanol does not absorb the water, it allows the water to become soluble in the gas which allows it to be removed when it goes through the engine with the gas. This stuff shouldn't be able to make ethanol disappear, it just puts it somewhere else.Methanol is hygroscopic, it does absorb the water.http://web.eng.ucsd.edu/mae/groups/combustion/NASA/water.htmlData comes from herehttp://web.eng.ucsd.edu/mae/groups/combustion/NASA/micro-g.html#Theoretical%20StudyMost likely a bad test though...I did find this however...."Certain hygroscopic substances, not only absorb moisture from the air, but also dissolve themselves in that moisture, undergoing a change of state. Such substances are called deliquescent substances. The process is called Deliquescence."http://chem-guide.blogspot.com/2010/04/hygroscopic.htmlI wonder if that applies to hygroscopic substances in a solution as well.
Quote from: sunwolf on May 18, 2015, 12:24:48 PMQuote from: FoMoCoSHO on May 18, 2015, 01:50:06 AMQuote from: sunwolf on May 11, 2015, 02:49:19 PMQuote from: FoMoCoSHO on May 11, 2015, 02:38:05 PMI would also like to know how it lowers ethanol content. Cause that's not necessarily a good thing in DI cars anyway....I wonder if the ethanol absorbs it like H2O?The reason I'm asking is because it can't. The methanol does not absorb the water, it allows the water to become soluble in the gas which allows it to be removed when it goes through the engine with the gas. This stuff shouldn't be able to make ethanol disappear, it just puts it somewhere else.Methanol is hygroscopic, it does absorb the water.http://web.eng.ucsd.edu/mae/groups/combustion/NASA/water.htmlData comes from herehttp://web.eng.ucsd.edu/mae/groups/combustion/NASA/micro-g.html#Theoretical%20StudyMost likely a bad test though...I did find this however...."Certain hygroscopic substances, not only absorb moisture from the air, but also dissolve themselves in that moisture, undergoing a change of state. Such substances are called deliquescent substances. The process is called Deliquescence."http://chem-guide.blogspot.com/2010/04/hygroscopic.htmlI wonder if that applies to hygroscopic substances in a solution as well.Yes if you leave the cap off of a bottle of 100% methanol it will take in water from the air. If you add a bottle of methanol to a gas tank with some ethanol or water in it there is still the same amount of ethanol or water in the tank. The methanol is not absorbing anything it is just making it mix better.
Quote from: wasinger3000 on May 18, 2015, 01:02:58 PMhttp://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hygroscopy"Hygroscopy is the ability of a substance to attract and hold water molecules from the surrounding environment. This is achieved through either absorption or adsorption with the absorbing or adsorbing substance becoming physically changed somewhat. This could be by an increase in volume, boiling point, viscosity or other physical characteristic of the substance, as water molecules can become suspended between the substance's molecules in the process."In short, methanol will suspend moisture through a physical change.
Quote from: sunwolf on May 18, 2015, 01:30:39 PMQuote from: wasinger3000 on May 18, 2015, 01:02:58 PMhttp://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hygroscopy"Hygroscopy is the ability of a substance to attract and hold water molecules from the surrounding environment. This is achieved through either absorption or adsorption with the absorbing or adsorbing substance becoming physically changed somewhat. This could be by an increase in volume, boiling point, viscosity or other physical characteristic of the substance, as water molecules can become suspended between the substance's molecules in the process."In short, methanol will suspend moisture through a physical change.Yes the moisture is suspended but it is still there. If there are 2 ounces of water in your gas tank there are still 2 ounces when the methanol is added it is just more dispersed. Not trying to start a fight this stuff is just part of my daily life being a chemist. Also hygroscopy refers to the ability of a solid or liquid to absorb water vapor from air. The term does not directly apply for mixing liquid water with liquid methanol.
Quote from: wasinger3000 on May 18, 2015, 02:50:16 PMQuote from: sunwolf on May 18, 2015, 01:30:39 PMQuote from: wasinger3000 on May 18, 2015, 01:02:58 PMhttp://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hygroscopy"Hygroscopy is the ability of a substance to attract and hold water molecules from the surrounding environment. This is achieved through either absorption or adsorption with the absorbing or adsorbing substance becoming physically changed somewhat. This could be by an increase in volume, boiling point, viscosity or other physical characteristic of the substance, as water molecules can become suspended between the substance's molecules in the process."In short, methanol will suspend moisture through a physical change.Yes the moisture is suspended but it is still there. If there are 2 ounces of water in your gas tank there are still 2 ounces when the methanol is added it is just more dispersed. Not trying to start a fight this stuff is just part of my daily life being a chemist. Also hygroscopy refers to the ability of a solid or liquid to absorb water vapor from air. The term does not directly apply for mixing liquid water with liquid methanol.Lol not trying to argue, and I understand the water is not removed. I was just stating it is absorbed.
Quote from: jtoddk98 on June 21, 2015, 04:26:36 PMQuote from: wasinger3000 on May 18, 2015, 02:50:16 PMQuote from: sunwolf on May 18, 2015, 01:30:39 PMQuote from: wasinger3000 on May 18, 2015, 01:02:58 PMhttp://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hygroscopy"Hygroscopy is the ability of a substance to attract and hold water molecules from the surrounding environment. This is achieved through either absorption or adsorption with the absorbing or adsorbing substance becoming physically changed somewhat. This could be by an increase in volume, boiling point, viscosity or other physical characteristic of the substance, as water molecules can become suspended between the substance's molecules in the process."In short, methanol will suspend moisture through a physical change.Yes the moisture is suspended but it is still there. If there are 2 ounces of water in your gas tank there are still 2 ounces when the methanol is added it is just more dispersed. Not trying to start a fight this stuff is just part of my daily life being a chemist. Also hygroscopy refers to the ability of a solid or liquid to absorb water vapor from air. The term does not directly apply for mixing liquid water with liquid methanol.Lol not trying to argue, and I understand the water is not removed. I was just stating it is absorbed.have you used the oil stuff yet?Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on June 21, 2015, 05:39:50 PMQuote from: wasinger3000 on May 18, 2015, 02:50:16 PMQuote from: sunwolf on May 18, 2015, 01:30:39 PMQuote from: wasinger3000 on May 18, 2015, 01:02:58 PMhttp://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hygroscopy"Hygroscopy is the ability of a substance to attract and hold water molecules from the surrounding environment. This is achieved through either absorption or adsorption with the absorbing or adsorbing substance becoming physically changed somewhat. This could be by an increase in volume, boiling point, viscosity or other physical characteristic of the substance, as water molecules can become suspended between the substance's molecules in the process."In short, methanol will suspend moisture through a physical change.Yes the moisture is suspended but it is still there. If there are 2 ounces of water in your gas tank there are still 2 ounces when the methanol is added it is just more dispersed. Not trying to start a fight this stuff is just part of my daily life being a chemist. Also hygroscopy refers to the ability of a solid or liquid to absorb water vapor from air. The term does not directly apply for mixing liquid water with liquid methanol.Lol not trying to argue, and I understand the water is not removed. I was just stating it is absorbed.So as I look at diagrams of of meth and water in a solution, it seems the term "adsorbed" would apply better. My non science brain boils it down to basically, it just grabs the water and carries it to the goalpost.(injector)