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What could be the reason for my fuel system to be far more deficient then most?

Started by ElvenSho, March 17, 2015, 10:03:41 AM

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ZSHO

I would personally add a bottle or two of HEET to absorb the excess water(consensation)buildup in the fuel system especially in the winter months when the cars are more vulnerable.Z.


2013 Performance Package SHO| Livernois Custom Methanol Tune|3-Bar Map|Reische-170-Stat|Full Race Tial-10psi BOV in Black|PPE-Gloss Black Hot Pipes|EPP Dual Intake in Gloss Black|PPE Catted DP|Corsa Sport Cat Back Exhaust|H&R Sport-Springs|CFM Performance Billet Valve Cover Breather In Gloss Black|Llumar 20%Ceramic window Tint|MSD Ignition Coils in Black|Extreme Roof Spoiler|Redline Fluids all around|Gearhead Intercooler|First-SHO With Direct Port Alky-VP-M1-100%-Methanol Injection|LMS-Custom-Dyno-Tuned @ 415whp-465wtq| Best Trap Speed of 115.54 mph|


ElvenSho

2011 Red Taurus SHO- H&R springs, plugs, t-stat, 3bar, LMS dps, tuned by Torrie

BiGMaC


•2013 Taurus SHO nonPP - All Ford factory options, 3BAR MAP, LMS v8 tune (mods for 3BAR, DPs, and T-stat), Paint & plastic correction, CQuart finest all exterior surfaces, limo black window tint,VLED Triton switchbacks, Daytime BrightLites switchback DRLs, full interior and exterior LED conversion, Lamin-X charcoal blackout tail lights and reflectors, PPE catted and coated downpipes, EBPP coated hotpipes with BoVs VTA, MDesign CAI
•2013 F250 CC Lariat 6.7EB Diesel -stock

Josephm

12' Flex EB
Unleashed X4
3rd Cat delete

BiGMaC

Quote from: Josephm on March 24, 2015, 05:54:23 PM
https://www.bgprod.com/bgfueltest/
Yup... Start at "Results are in"... Yes BG is Good and helps., no doubt.. No doubt, but only mechanical cleaning has helped the coking of intake valves or the turbo blades (CC blowby... Especially the front turbo).... Just the difference in turbo'd GDI engines....all manufacturers, in fact Ford's system is relatively good compared to others like BMW or VW.

•2013 Taurus SHO nonPP - All Ford factory options, 3BAR MAP, LMS v8 tune (mods for 3BAR, DPs, and T-stat), Paint & plastic correction, CQuart finest all exterior surfaces, limo black window tint,VLED Triton switchbacks, Daytime BrightLites switchback DRLs, full interior and exterior LED conversion, Lamin-X charcoal blackout tail lights and reflectors, PPE catted and coated downpipes, EBPP coated hotpipes with BoVs VTA, MDesign CAI
•2013 F250 CC Lariat 6.7EB Diesel -stock

SHOdded

"At the 30,000-mile service, our pros performed the BG Direct Injection Service and added BG 109 and BG 44K,® Part No. 208."  44K every 5,000 miles, and the DI Service every 30K is what they are saying.
2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

BiGMaC

I agree... And it is a good service...  And cleans injectors and cylinders well.  Plus improves performance....

This was the end of the article in a well done test actually on our cars... The parts I refer to are below where they say:

"Even at the first check-up (5,000 miles), borescope footage showed intake valve deposits forming. At each subsequent check-up, we noticed deposit buildup continued in the intake valves and intake ports. There was heavy deposit contribution from PCV gases."

"...our borescope videos showed BG 44K® cleaned up piston top and injector deposits."

"The results are in
Near the end of the test, at about the 55,000-mile point, our pros started noticing more performance issues.

The conclusion from the two-year test was that BG 44K® can help keep performance high (combustion chambers clean, injectors clean), until deposit formation on the ports/intake valves built up enough to affect airflow.

"Until design improvements address the negative contribution made by crankcase vapors (which create intake deposits), Direct Injection (DI) engines will continue to have intake deposit buildup issues. DI simply lacks the necessary and traditional fuel rinsing afforded by indirect injector spray. The high heat environment experienced by the fuel injector tip is also a major contributor to driveability issues," says Dustin."

Solutions that specifically address reducing PCV vapors (engine oil evaporation) would be a welcome advancement by the manufacturers of DI engines. A combination of full synthetic, low volatility engine oil, combined with reasonable drain intervals would be one way to decrease these intake deposits. Dustin continues, "If DI is here to stay, then classical methods of engine 'keep clean' will need to be re-vamped to ensure trouble-free engine durability and performance."

•2013 Taurus SHO nonPP - All Ford factory options, 3BAR MAP, LMS v8 tune (mods for 3BAR, DPs, and T-stat), Paint & plastic correction, CQuart finest all exterior surfaces, limo black window tint,VLED Triton switchbacks, Daytime BrightLites switchback DRLs, full interior and exterior LED conversion, Lamin-X charcoal blackout tail lights and reflectors, PPE catted and coated downpipes, EBPP coated hotpipes with BoVs VTA, MDesign CAI
•2013 F250 CC Lariat 6.7EB Diesel -stock

SHOdded

Quote from: ZSHO on March 23, 2015, 10:24:26 PM
I would personally add a bottle or two of HEET to absorb the excess water(consensation)buildup in the fuel system especially in the winter months when the cars are more vulnerable.Z.
Hey, Z!  I have suspected fuel quality being a problem in my Edge for some time, so I took your advice and added HEET yesterday to the gas tank (after fillup :( ) at the Shell station where I get crappy gas (87/93, doesn't matter).  Today, the Edge felt strong driving/acceleration was good, almost normal!  STFT also did not need as much enrichment, and timing "retard" became less needed further along in the drive.  Hopefully improvements will continue.
2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

ZSHO

Quote from: SHOdded on April 10, 2015, 08:09:42 AM
Quote from: ZSHO on March 23, 2015, 10:24:26 PM
I would personally add a bottle or two of HEET to absorb the excess water(consensation)buildup in the fuel system especially in the winter months when the cars are more vulnerable.Z.
Hey, Z!  I have suspected fuel quality being a problem in my Edge for some time, so I took your advice and added HEET yesterday to the gas tank (after fillup :( ) at the Shell station where I get crappy gas (87/93, doesn't matter).  Today, the Edge felt strong driving/acceleration was good, almost normal!  STFT also did not need as much enrichment, and timing "retard" became less needed further along in the drive.  Hopefully improvements will continue.
Great to hear the good news,honestly been using the yellow bottle for a long time know,when i used to work on my BMW's always through a bottle or two all season long,some people think its only for winter lol, cheapest and most effective bottle you can buy,ordered a case of 24,maybe i'll send you a few.Z


2013 Performance Package SHO| Livernois Custom Methanol Tune|3-Bar Map|Reische-170-Stat|Full Race Tial-10psi BOV in Black|PPE-Gloss Black Hot Pipes|EPP Dual Intake in Gloss Black|PPE Catted DP|Corsa Sport Cat Back Exhaust|H&R Sport-Springs|CFM Performance Billet Valve Cover Breather In Gloss Black|Llumar 20%Ceramic window Tint|MSD Ignition Coils in Black|Extreme Roof Spoiler|Redline Fluids all around|Gearhead Intercooler|First-SHO With Direct Port Alky-VP-M1-100%-Methanol Injection|LMS-Custom-Dyno-Tuned @ 415whp-465wtq| Best Trap Speed of 115.54 mph|

SHOdded

It'll take a while for me to sort out whether the problem lies in the Edge's fuel tank, or in the service station fuel tanks.  Once I run through a few tankfuls, hopefully I will have useful data to share :)
2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!