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CHECK ENGINE LIGHT- P0130

Started by dash90, April 04, 2015, 11:25:23 AM

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SHOdded

#15
September 02, 2015, 11:48:43 PM
Upstream/upper is sensor 1, downstream/lower is sensor 2.  Bank 1 is firewall side, Bank 2 is radiator side.  Would seem that bellypan removal is all that is required for access, but IDK for sure.
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If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

BiGMaC

#16
September 03, 2015, 12:31:38 AM
Quote from: SHOdded on September 02, 2015, 11:48:43 PM
Upstream/upper is sensor 1, downstream/lower is sensor 2.  Bank 1 is firewall side, Bank 2 is radiator side.  Would seem that bellypan removal is all that is required for access, but IDK for sure.
And ramps, lift, or pit...

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•2013 F250 CC Lariat 6.7EB Diesel -stock

pmezo33

#17
September 15, 2015, 09:32:03 PM
So I cleared the codes just to see what would happen and everything was good for about 2 weeks and at least 500+ miles.  Turned the car on today and got p0130 and p0150.  Bank 1 sensor 1 and bank 2 sensor 1.  No symptoms whatsoever and getting good and consistent MPG.

I see there's a TSB for the 4.6L/5.4L Ford F150's that seems very similar to the issue that I'm having.

http://www.revbase.com/BBBMotor/TSb/DownloadPdf?id=177127

I didn't see a TSB for a 2010 MKS, but the issue looks very similar.  Hard to believe two o2 sensors would just go at around the same time like this.

Any ideas?

BiGMaC

#18
September 15, 2015, 09:43:07 PM
How many miles on your car? Maybe they are just dirty... Takes a blow torch to clean them ....

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•2013 F250 CC Lariat 6.7EB Diesel -stock

pmezo33

#19
September 15, 2015, 09:45:03 PM
Quote from: BiGMaC on September 15, 2015, 09:43:07 PM
How many miles on your car? Maybe they are just dirty... Takes a blow torch to clean them ....

About 65k.  Are there any diagrams so i know which are which?

BiGMaC

#20
September 15, 2015, 09:47:28 PM
Quote from: pmezo33 on September 15, 2015, 09:45:03 PM
Quote from: BiGMaC on September 15, 2015, 09:43:07 PM
How many miles on your car? Maybe they are just dirty... Takes a blow torch to clean them ....

About 65k.  Are there any diagrams so i know which are which?
Don't have a diagram... I believe these two are on the DPs. 

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•2013 F250 CC Lariat 6.7EB Diesel -stock

SHOdded

#21
September 15, 2015, 10:04:47 PM
These sensors will be ones closest to the engine block/exhaust manifolds.  So follow the path from the engine on down, and the first one you get to will be sensor 1.
2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

66 Galaxie

#22
September 15, 2015, 10:24:38 PM
Yup, sensor 1 is "upstream" (pre-catalytic converter) and sensor 2 is "downstream" (post catalytic converter).
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pmezo33

#23
September 16, 2015, 12:36:49 AM Last Edit: September 16, 2015, 12:39:46 AM by pmezo33
Besides just being dirty, any reason both would just throw codes like that at the same time for both bank 1 and bank 2 sensor 1?  That's two different sides, both upstream, correct?  Could the PCM need a calibration like what the TSB recommends for the 2010 F150?

SHOdded

#24
September 16, 2015, 05:18:03 AM Last Edit: September 16, 2015, 05:45:51 AM by SHOdded
Very possible.  Problem could easily be "upstream" in the plugs, the fuel mix, air flow, etc.  Asymptomatic, but have you logged data yet to check timing & fuel performance?

Clean the MAP sensors, they can get dirty especially if you have an "oiled" air filter or an underperforming PCV system.

If a calibration update does not fix it, the PCM and/or its' connections may be suspect.

EDIT:  Hyundai also issued a TSB for the same issue with some of its' vehicles:
http://www.myhyundaiforums.com/09-FL-012(2).pdf

EDIT:  Change to a different gas station/grade on last fillup?

EDIT:  Sometimes it can be the grounds, at least that's what Nissan fixes here
http://www.alldatadiy.com/techtips/ALLDATA/20091031.html
2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

pmezo33

#25
September 17, 2015, 10:54:16 PM
Quote from: SHOdded on September 16, 2015, 05:18:03 AM
Very possible.  Problem could easily be "upstream" in the plugs, the fuel mix, air flow, etc.  Asymptomatic, but have you logged data yet to check timing & fuel performance?

Clean the MAP sensors, they can get dirty especially if you have an "oiled" air filter or an underperforming PCV system.

If a calibration update does not fix it, the PCM and/or its' connections may be suspect.

EDIT:  Hyundai also issued a TSB for the same issue with some of its' vehicles:
http://www.myhyundaiforums.com/09-FL-012(2).pdf

EDIT:  Change to a different gas station/grade on last fillup?

EDIT:  Sometimes it can be the grounds, at least that's what Nissan fixes here
http://www.alldatadiy.com/techtips/ALLDATA/20091031.html

Have not logged data.  I'm guessing you'd need an advanced reading tool to do that?  I've just got your basic code reader.

Probably a stupid question, but is the MAP sensor basically the same thing as the MAF sensor right on the intake with the plug?  Same spot or different sensors?

I'm using a stock motorcraft air filter.  No mods on the car at all - all oem.  I've used different gas stations, so i'm sure gas quality isn't the issue.  All have been mobils, exxons, etc and still throwing the codes.

SHOdded

#26
September 18, 2015, 12:00:26 AM
Datalogging:
Easiest with Torque Pro + OBD Bluetooth or Wifi Code Reader + Android device (phone/tablet).  Presuming you already have a phone/tablet, the cost for the rest should be under $50.  For example, $5 for Torque Pro from Google Play, + $30 or so for the VGate OBD Bluetooth device.  Check out OBD device reviews on Amazon & decide.  Probably don't need the high-end OBDLink MX right now (about $100 device).

MAP & MAF serve basically the same function but in different ways.  The EBs are MAP-based vehicles.  There are 2 MAPs, one is on top of the intake manifold (2bar), and the other is in the air intake tubing (3 bar).

From BiGMaC's Hotpipes Install HOWTO:
2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

pmezo33

#27
September 18, 2015, 12:18:40 AM
Great info.  Thanks a lot.

pmezo33

#28
September 18, 2015, 11:36:11 AM
About to clean the sensors with some MAF cleaner and just wanted to make sure of something before i did it.  The TIP sensor in the above picture, that's the 3 bar MAP, right?

ZSHO

#29
September 18, 2015, 11:46:30 AM Last Edit: September 18, 2015, 11:52:36 AM by ZSHO
Thats correct, and the one on top of the manifold is a 2 bar map sensor and usually its swapped for a 3 bar sensor if your adding a 3-bar tune in the near future.  Z


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