Has anyone done aftermarket pads and rotors on a 13+ PP?

[FoMoCoSHO]

Powerstop has some sweet options for our cars, they even have a Police Package kit I've been eyeballing.

Kind of a moot point now, however.

[crash712us]

My buddy owns a auto repair shop. Swears by Akebono's. And they are OEM equipment on many high end cars.

However I run EBC red stuff and there ultimax rotors for 3yrs now. Nothing but good things to say about EBC.


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[sunwolf]

Just emailed EBC to see if they know which of their brakes will work on the 14 PP.

[Mac98SHO]

"The brakes get a larger master cylinder bore for a pedal ratio change that gives you less travel at the top of the pedal for a firmer feel, and the rear vented brake rotors are 30 percent larger. The already massive vented front rotors get dual piston 48-mm calipers with performance friction pads, and the pistons themselves have high-temp dust boots and seals that pull the pads more effectively away from the discs for less heat buildup." From road and track review of the 13 with PP - http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/first-drives/reviews/a18234/2013-ford-taurus-sho-with-performance-package/

And From the ford website:
Not sure if the 15 PP has even bigger brakes or if it is the same as 13 and 14.

This was verified by my contacts at the dealership.

I have a 2013 non-PP and a 2015 PP sitting in my garage and I'm telling you they are exactly the same

The entire 2013 line was changed because gen 4.1 sucked so badly.

There was plenty of erroneous info in the 2013 reviews and there was even one reviewer who thought he had a PP car when it was in fact non-PP.

Calipers front and rear are different on the 13 PP and Non -PP. Rotors are the same. Master Cylinder is upgraded also. As for your 15 I am not sure (side bar--not sure why ford would chg this between the 15 non and PP unless to bring cost down on parts) But the 13's  I know that the part numbers are different,  and I have compared them with my friends 13 non PP. 

My Opinion- I would stay with stock rotors and change pads... But honestly I have flogged my brakes on three track days(road courses) turn them blue over and over more times than I can count and my car still stops great. Though I do need a brake job this year once spring gets here...lol

[FoMoCoSHO]

"The brakes get a larger master cylinder bore for a pedal ratio change that gives you less travel at the top of the pedal for a firmer feel, and the rear vented brake rotors are 30 percent larger. The already massive vented front rotors get dual piston 48-mm calipers with performance friction pads, and the pistons themselves have high-temp dust boots and seals that pull the pads more effectively away from the discs for less heat buildup." From road and track review of the 13 with PP - http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/first-drives/reviews/a18234/2013-ford-taurus-sho-with-performance-package/

And From the ford website:
Not sure if the 15 PP has even bigger brakes or if it is the same as 13 and 14.

This was verified by my contacts at the dealership.

I have a 2013 non-PP and a 2015 PP sitting in my garage and I'm telling you they are exactly the same

The entire 2013 line was changed because gen 4.1 sucked so badly.

There was plenty of erroneous info in the 2013 reviews and there was even one reviewer who thought he had a PP car when it was in fact non-PP.

Calipers front and rear are different on the 13 PP and Non -PP. Rotors are the same. Master Cylinder is upgraded also. As for your 15 I am not sure (side bar--not sure why ford would chg this between the 15 non and PP unless to bring cost down on parts) But the 13's  I know that the part numbers are different,  and I have compared them with my friends 13 non PP. 

My Opinion- I would stay with stock rotors and change pads... But honestly I have flogged my brakes on three track days(road courses) turn them blue over and over more times than I can count and my car still stops great. Though I do need a brake job this year once spring gets here...lol

The Ford part numbers mean nothing, many same parts have different part numbers across the product line. An example is the ecoboost 3.5 across the different platforms wont share the same part number.

[ZSHO]

They always overall update part #.

[BiGMaC]

"The brakes get a larger master cylinder bore for a pedal ratio change that gives you less travel at the top of the pedal for a firmer feel, and the rear vented brake rotors are 30 percent larger. The already massive vented front rotors get dual piston 48-mm calipers with performance friction pads, and the pistons themselves have high-temp dust boots and seals that pull the pads more effectively away from the discs for less heat buildup." From road and track review of the 13 with PP - http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/first-drives/reviews/a18234/2013-ford-taurus-sho-with-performance-package/

And From the ford website:
Not sure if the 15 PP has even bigger brakes or if it is the same as 13 and 14.

This was verified by my contacts at the dealership.

I have a 2013 non-PP and a 2015 PP sitting in my garage and I'm telling you they are exactly the same

The entire 2013 line was changed because gen 4.1 sucked so badly.

There was plenty of erroneous info in the 2013 reviews and there was even one reviewer who thought he had a PP car when it was in fact non-PP.

Calipers front and rear are different on the 13 PP and Non -PP. Rotors are the same. Master Cylinder is upgraded also. As for your 15 I am not sure (side bar--not sure why ford would chg this between the 15 non and PP unless to bring cost down on parts) But the 13's  I know that the part numbers are different,  and I have compared them with my friends 13 non PP. 

My Opinion- I would stay with stock rotors and change pads... But honestly I have flogged my brakes on three track days(road courses) turn them blue over and over more times than I can count and my car still stops great. Though I do need a brake job this year once spring gets here...lol

The Ford part numbers mean nothing, many same parts have different part numbers across the product line. An example is the ecoboost 3.5 across the different platforms wont share the same part number.

I have noticed this... Wonder if it's Ford's R&D ongoing?

[FoMoCoSHO]

"The brakes get a larger master cylinder bore for a pedal ratio change that gives you less travel at the top of the pedal for a firmer feel, and the rear vented brake rotors are 30 percent larger. The already massive vented front rotors get dual piston 48-mm calipers with performance friction pads, and the pistons themselves have high-temp dust boots and seals that pull the pads more effectively away from the discs for less heat buildup." From road and track review of the 13 with PP - http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/first-drives/reviews/a18234/2013-ford-taurus-sho-with-performance-package/

And From the ford website:
Not sure if the 15 PP has even bigger brakes or if it is the same as 13 and 14.

This was verified by my contacts at the dealership.

I have a 2013 non-PP and a 2015 PP sitting in my garage and I'm telling you they are exactly the same

The entire 2013 line was changed because gen 4.1 sucked so badly.

There was plenty of erroneous info in the 2013 reviews and there was even one reviewer who thought he had a PP car when it was in fact non-PP.

Calipers front and rear are different on the 13 PP and Non -PP. Rotors are the same. Master Cylinder is upgraded also. As for your 15 I am not sure (side bar--not sure why ford would chg this between the 15 non and PP unless to bring cost down on parts) But the 13's  I know that the part numbers are different,  and I have compared them with my friends 13 non PP. 

My Opinion- I would stay with stock rotors and change pads... But honestly I have flogged my brakes on three track days(road courses) turn them blue over and over more times than I can count and my car still stops great. Though I do need a brake job this year once spring gets here...lol

The Ford part numbers mean nothing, many same parts have different part numbers across the product line. An example is the ecoboost 3.5 across the different platforms wont share the same part number.

I have noticed this... Wonder if it's Ford's R&D ongoing?

I would have to say yes based upon the small change, like the turn signal, that I've noticed.

I spent quite a long time with both girls looking for changes.

Oddly enough, my 13 had the exact same brakes as the 13 p packages at the dship as well. Visually exactly the same. I wonder if they goofed on my car and put on the wrong brakes? Looks like a trip to parts is in order....

[Mac98SHO]

Part numbers do make a difference.... Lol I have worked ford parts department in the past and know this first hand. I am digressing here... Sorry.

I happen to like how the stock Performance Package brakes work and respond to track use.  I would maybe consider pads... But rotors are nice. My 2 cents...

[FoMoCoSHO]

The cost of the PP package alone is a clue the brakes are the same.

I think Ford typically offers great value with their option packages, but for 1300.00 I doubt very seriously I'm getting completely different brakes along with all the other awesomeness.

Tire rack shows no differentiation between the two.

Car and drivers says....pads only.

"The engine and transmission remain essentially unchanged since, but our 2013 model had the SHO Performance package ($1995), which adds an improved cooling system, high-performance brake pads, 20-inch aluminum wheels wearing Goodyear Eagle F1 SuperCar 245/45 rubber, specially calibrated electric power steering, a "true off" track mode for the electronic stability control, and a 3.16:1 final-drive ratio (stand­ard issue is 2.77:1) to improve acceleration."

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2013-ford-taurus-sho-instrumented-test-review

I wholeheartedly agree with the guys saying change pads only.

I really would like to put those beautiful Powerstops on but I have serious anxiety about messing with the brakes

Too many "brake upgrades" end up being downgrades in my experiences.

Honestly both cars feel the same stopping power wise, the only difference is the PP pads seem to need a little heat before they bite the same.

Which is probably why they are more suitable for the track.

[BiGMaC]

The cost of the PP package alone is a clue the brakes are the same.

I think Ford typically offers great value with their option packages, but for 1300.00 I doubt very seriously I'm getting completely different brakes along with all the other awesomeness.

Tire rack shows no differentiation between the two.

Car and drivers says....pads only.

"The engine and transmission remain essentially unchanged since, but our 2013 model had the SHO Performance package ($1995), which adds an improved cooling system, high-performance brake pads, 20-inch aluminum wheels wearing Goodyear Eagle F1 SuperCar 245/45 rubber, specially calibrated electric power steering, a "true off" track mode for the electronic stability control, and a 3.16:1 final-drive ratio (stand­ard issue is 2.77:1) to improve acceleration."

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2013-ford-taurus-sho-instrumented-test-review

I wholeheartedly agree with the guys saying change pads only.

I really would like to put those beautiful Powerstops on but I have serious anxiety about messing with the brakes

Too many "brake upgrades" end up being downgrades in my experiences.

Honestly both cars feel the same stopping power wise, the only difference is the PP pads seem to need a little heat before they bite the same.

Which is probably why they are more suitable for the track.

Spot on FoMoCo.... Yours have to heat up for best effect because they are ceramic... A clearly superior pad, but not fully functioning until it's hot.... The hotter the better.

[Mac98SHO]

Ok I am going digress.... One more time on comparison,  front calipers look the same but they use as piston with holes and silicon seals to hold better up to track use and Police use.  There was mention on more mass on the caliper to help disapate heat but I haven't confirmed that one, and I probably won't dive into it that far....lol  my main complaint (complaiint is strong word...lol)with these pads is the material xfer to rotor under heavy use on a track..... Takes a while to wear off after....lol its a trade off for stopping power with little or no fade.. I have a friend is working on track only pads.... He might chime in with his 2 cents.

[FoMoCoSHO]

Mac, I had forgotten about seals and cdp, do you think that would affect fitment, everything else being possibly equal?

[Mac98SHO]

Mac, I had forgotten about seals and cdp, do you think that would affect fitment, everything else being possibly equal?

Pads swap back and forth no issues, so I would say caliper swap will be a non fitment issue.

[sunwolf]

The cost of the PP package alone is a clue the brakes are the same.

I think Ford typically offers great value with their option packages, but for 1300.00 I doubt very seriously I'm getting completely different brakes along with all the other awesomeness.

Tire rack shows no differentiation between the two.

Car and drivers says....pads only.

"The engine and transmission remain essentially unchanged since, but our 2013 model had the SHO Performance package ($1995), which adds an improved cooling system, high-performance brake pads, 20-inch aluminum wheels wearing Goodyear Eagle F1 SuperCar 245/45 rubber, specially calibrated electric power steering, a "true off" track mode for the electronic stability control, and a 3.16:1 final-drive ratio (stand­ard issue is 2.77:1) to improve acceleration."

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2013-ford-taurus-sho-instrumented-test-review

I wholeheartedly agree with the guys saying change pads only.

I really would like to put those beautiful Powerstops on but I have serious anxiety about messing with the brakes

Too many "brake upgrades" end up being downgrades in my experiences.

Honestly both cars feel the same stopping power wise, the only difference is the PP pads seem to need a little heat before they bite the same.

Which is probably why they are more suitable for the track.

I noticed that the performance pack got cheaper on the 15s. Did they downgrade something?