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1-2 shudder at WOT

Started by donky4444, March 16, 2015, 07:15:35 PM

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ZSHO

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Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on March 17, 2015, 12:04:01 AM
It's really nice having AJP around to explain all this tuning s*** to us

Thanks!
I wouldnt call the tuning (s***) but AJP perspective and input on tuning is greatly appreciated from my point of view,just a little less bashing on vendors like LME would be nice,and that 3-bar s*** is getting kind of old,LOL.Z


2013 Performance Package SHO| Livernois Custom Methanol Tune|3-Bar Map|Reische-170-Stat|Full Race Tial-10psi BOV in Black|PPE-Gloss Black Hot Pipes|EPP Dual Intake in Gloss Black|PPE Catted DP|Corsa Sport Cat Back Exhaust|H&R Sport-Springs|CFM Performance Billet Valve Cover Breather In Gloss Black|Llumar 20%Ceramic window Tint|MSD Ignition Coils in Black|Extreme Roof Spoiler|Redline Fluids all around|Gearhead Intercooler|First-SHO With Direct Port Alky-VP-M1-100%-Methanol Injection|LMS-Custom-Dyno-Tuned @ 415whp-465wtq| Best Trap Speed of 115.54 mph|

Brucelinc

It seems that this is only an issue at WOT high RPM 1-2 shifts and is somewhat sporadic.  Does lowering the pressure to eliminate the 1-2 stutter result in a "lag" during the shift similar to stock tune....or is is still firm and crisp but without the stutter?     

If you were going to the track, would you want the higher pressure and potential stutter or would you want the pressure dialed back?   Like others, I have experienced this after a reflash but it typically calms down some after driving awhile and has never occurred at less than WOT.

AJP turbo

Quote from: Brucelinc on March 17, 2015, 09:48:32 AM
It seems that this is only an issue at WOT high RPM 1-2 shifts and is somewhat sporadic.  Does lowering the pressure to eliminate the 1-2 stutter result in a "lag" during the shift similar to stock tune....or is is still firm and crisp but without the stutter?     

If you were going to the track, would you want the higher pressure and potential stutter or would you want the pressure dialed back?   Like others, I have experienced this after a reflash but it typically calms down some after driving awhile and has never occurred at less than WOT.

The shutter sounds bad..I wouldn't want it even at the track...and reducing the pressure to say 200 is still well over stock and won't give a laggy shift at all...at wot is where the highest pressure is
SCT Dealer/Custom Calibrator                        
Specializing in 3.5 Ecoboost   
Remote/email custom tuning including E85 blends 
Authorized retailer for all SCT devices. 
 
Former:2014 PP SHO
3 bar 93 tune, Airaid, Stainless Works non catted DP's  
405whp/520tq
Dyno
     
Current:2016 F150 2.7 Ecoboost
Tuning in progress

FoMoCoSHO

Quote from: ZSHO on March 17, 2015, 08:59:41 AM
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on March 17, 2015, 12:04:01 AM
It's really nice having AJP around to explain all this tuning s*** to us

Thanks!
I wouldnt call the tuning (s***) but AJP perspective and input on tuning is greatly appreciated from my point of view,just a little less bashing on vendors like LME would be nice,and that 3-bar s*** is getting kind of old,LOL.Z
Honestly Z, that wasn't a dig on LME, it was a statement about tuning in general. It's like Mandarin to me and its nice to have someone around who can translate it.

ZSHO

#19
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on March 17, 2015, 02:09:18 PM
Quote from: ZSHO on March 17, 2015, 08:59:41 AM
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on March 17, 2015, 12:04:01 AM
It's really nice having AJP around to explain all this tuning s*** to us

Thanks!
I wouldnt call the tuning (s***) but AJP perspective and input on tuning is greatly appreciated from my point of view,just a little less bashing on vendors like LME would be nice,and that 3-bar s*** is getting kind of old,LOL.Z
Honestly Z, that wasn't a dig on LME, it was a statement about tuning in general. It's like Mandarin to me and its nice to have someone around who can translate it.
Understood(just to clarify things up due to context)the only statement against you was twards the comment about tuning s***,the rest was directed twards AJP.


2013 Performance Package SHO| Livernois Custom Methanol Tune|3-Bar Map|Reische-170-Stat|Full Race Tial-10psi BOV in Black|PPE-Gloss Black Hot Pipes|EPP Dual Intake in Gloss Black|PPE Catted DP|Corsa Sport Cat Back Exhaust|H&R Sport-Springs|CFM Performance Billet Valve Cover Breather In Gloss Black|Llumar 20%Ceramic window Tint|MSD Ignition Coils in Black|Extreme Roof Spoiler|Redline Fluids all around|Gearhead Intercooler|First-SHO With Direct Port Alky-VP-M1-100%-Methanol Injection|LMS-Custom-Dyno-Tuned @ 415whp-465wtq| Best Trap Speed of 115.54 mph|

donky4444

So I was too busy today to get back to stock and see if the issue follows. I'll get to it tomorrow after work and see.
2017 Lincoln MKZ 3.0tt with LMS tune

2014 SHO 402a PP 20" flower wheels. LME  tune, 3 bar MAP, LED Puddle Lights and LED DRL's from Drive Bright, tinted head and tail lights, gloss black vinyl wrapped all chrome with custom chrome SHO emblems front and rear. SOLD

2015 X Sport LME 3 bar tune, LED Puddle and plate lights

Wilson

+1 on it being shift pressure. Back when I was running Unleashed I had the same issue and thought it was wheel hop. After I explained it to Torrie he said it was shift pressure. I believe at the time he had it set to 250. Once he set me to 200, the issue went away and the shift was still crisp.
2013 SHO (non-PP) Ruby Red Tintcoat
Leading Edge Tuning 93 Tune | 3 Bar MAP | 170* Thermostat | Airaid Intake | PPE 2.5" Downpipes | Snow Stage 2 Meth Kit | H&R Lowering Springs | 22" Falken RT-7M wheels | 265/35/22 Falken Ziex TZ05 tires


donky4444

Back to stock and no shudder now.  I emailed Anthony to ask about shift pressures.
2017 Lincoln MKZ 3.0tt with LMS tune

2014 SHO 402a PP 20" flower wheels. LME  tune, 3 bar MAP, LED Puddle Lights and LED DRL's from Drive Bright, tinted head and tail lights, gloss black vinyl wrapped all chrome with custom chrome SHO emblems front and rear. SOLD

2015 X Sport LME 3 bar tune, LED Puddle and plate lights

donky4444

LME got back to me with the 4X plus tune that should fix the 1-2 shudder. They said they also added grade assist to it which makes the car perform like the 13+ does when you put it in Sport mode. I just put the car in manual but let it shift itself. I went for a short 4 mile drive to pick up dinner and the shudder is gone and the grade assist seems pretty sweet. More testing and playing with it later this weekend. Thanks again to to LME for a fast turn time on getting ,e squared away.
2017 Lincoln MKZ 3.0tt with LMS tune

2014 SHO 402a PP 20" flower wheels. LME  tune, 3 bar MAP, LED Puddle Lights and LED DRL's from Drive Bright, tinted head and tail lights, gloss black vinyl wrapped all chrome with custom chrome SHO emblems front and rear. SOLD

2015 X Sport LME 3 bar tune, LED Puddle and plate lights

BiGMaC

Quote from: donky4444 on March 20, 2015, 07:53:00 PM
LME got back to me with the 4X plus tune that should fix the 1-2 shudder. They said they also added grade assist to it which makes the car perform like the 13+ does when you put it in Sport mode. I just put the car in manual but let it shift itself. I went for a short 4 mile drive to pick up dinner and the shudder is gone and the grade assist seems pretty sweet. More testing and playing with it later this weekend. Thanks again to to LME for a fast turn time on getting ,e squared away.
Don... Glad to hear the stutter is gone!
I think you will notice that grade assist also functions in the cars downshifting algorithms even when on level ground in "D"... mine does anyway... I love it.  It improves throttle responsiveness at low speeds.

•2013 Taurus SHO nonPP - All Ford factory options, 3BAR MAP, LMS v8 tune (mods for 3BAR, DPs, and T-stat), Paint & plastic correction, CQuart finest all exterior surfaces, limo black window tint,VLED Triton switchbacks, Daytime BrightLites switchback DRLs, full interior and exterior LED conversion, Lamin-X charcoal blackout tail lights and reflectors, PPE catted and coated downpipes, EBPP coated hotpipes with BoVs VTA, MDesign CAI
•2013 F250 CC Lariat 6.7EB Diesel -stock

AJP turbo

Quote from: donky4444 on March 20, 2015, 07:53:00 PM
LME got back to me with the 4X plus tune that should fix the 1-2 shudder. They said they also added grade assist to it which makes the car perform like the 13+ does when you put it in Sport mode. I just put the car in manual but let it shift itself. I went for a short 4 mile drive to pick up dinner and the shudder is gone and the grade assist seems pretty sweet. More testing and playing with it later this weekend. Thanks again to to LME for a fast turn time on getting ,e squared away.

A fast turn around was the least they could do...No need to pat them on the back for something that needed addressed....It's like when someone sends you the wrong part then they say don't worry you don't have to pay the shipping back lol...Damn right you don't.
SCT Dealer/Custom Calibrator                        
Specializing in 3.5 Ecoboost   
Remote/email custom tuning including E85 blends 
Authorized retailer for all SCT devices. 
 
Former:2014 PP SHO
3 bar 93 tune, Airaid, Stainless Works non catted DP's  
405whp/520tq
Dyno
     
Current:2016 F150 2.7 Ecoboost
Tuning in progress

SHOdded

Never hurts to play nice, except when you are left no option, aj.  Don, I hope that gremlin has been banished forever and ever!
2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

ZSHO

Quite honestly what matters to me most is getting your issues rectified by a tuning co and instead of having to drag myself to the local dealer with a worrisome look.


2013 Performance Package SHO| Livernois Custom Methanol Tune|3-Bar Map|Reische-170-Stat|Full Race Tial-10psi BOV in Black|PPE-Gloss Black Hot Pipes|EPP Dual Intake in Gloss Black|PPE Catted DP|Corsa Sport Cat Back Exhaust|H&R Sport-Springs|CFM Performance Billet Valve Cover Breather In Gloss Black|Llumar 20%Ceramic window Tint|MSD Ignition Coils in Black|Extreme Roof Spoiler|Redline Fluids all around|Gearhead Intercooler|First-SHO With Direct Port Alky-VP-M1-100%-Methanol Injection|LMS-Custom-Dyno-Tuned @ 415whp-465wtq| Best Trap Speed of 115.54 mph|

SHOnUup

Seeing comments that may make someone not want to share their experiences with us, what keeps the forums alive, is just painful. AJ, you need a hug man...lol

Rich

2011 Sterling Gray Metallic SHO non PP,
12.4211 @ 110.28 Livernois 3bar tune & CAI,
Added since...PPE catless Dpipes, Megan coilovers, Powergrid adjustable end links, and EBC slotted rotors and red stuff pads.
Tommy Designs grille with carbon fiber hydrographics, fender badges and fog bezels hydrodipped also, tinted windows, head & taillights, debadged trunk with all chrome plasti-dipped, black calipers, obdlink mx scantool running torque pro on 7" tablet.

wasinger3000

Did some testing tonight. -15% shift pressure on 1-2 made a noticeable difference in the "shudder" but it's still there so I'm going to try -25% next.
13' SHO, Non-PP, Tuned by Torrie, Meth injection, 3 bar, 170* stat, custom axle back exhaust, Prosport Boost gauge.
15' F150 Lariat Sport, all the options, 3.5L Eco. (fiancée ride.)
13' GTCS, will be missed.