Unleashed tuning and Livernois tuning comparison on my SHO

[SHOdded]

Logging on your EB does not yield a better tune, the OP has independently and inadvertently proven this here.

I don't think any such thing has been proven.  This is one dataset out of many such possible datasets. 

As to what constitutes a better tune, is it the comfort level of the driver with the vehicle's behavior, is it that tenths of a second,  is it about breaking new ground?   Some people like to know for themselves what's going on with their machines.  Datalogging has its' place, and it is not in the shadows.

And by the way,  as vehicles age, their individual personalities do emerge based on the lives they have lived.  Datalogging can help identify problem areas and keep the tune in a safety zone.

[J-Will]

Logging on your EB does not yield a better tune, the OP has independently and inadvertently proven this here.

I don't think any such thing has been proven.  This is one dataset out of many such possible datasets. 

As to what constitutes a better tune, is it the comfort level of the driver with the vehicle's behavior, is it that tenths of a second,  is it about breaking new ground?   Some people like to know for themselves what's going on with their machines.  Datalogging has its' place, and it is not in the shadows.

And by the way,  as vehicles age, their individual personalities do emerge based on the lives they have lived.  Datalogging can help identify problem areas and keep the tune in a safety zone.

I hear you.  But that is like saying Ford needs to personally log, collect, and comb through each persons car in order to install a baseline code.  Datalogging is a method to educate the tuner on how the changes impacted the vehicle.

[wasinger3000]

Logging on your EB does not yield a better tune, the OP has independently and inadvertently proven this here.

I don't think any such thing has been proven.  This is one dataset out of many such possible datasets. 

As to what constitutes a better tune, is it the comfort level of the driver with the vehicle's behavior, is it that tenths of a second,  is it about breaking new ground?   Some people like to know for themselves what's going on with their machines.  Datalogging has its' place, and it is not in the shadows.

And by the way,  as vehicles age, their individual personalities do emerge based on the lives they have lived.  Datalogging can help identify problem areas and keep the tune in a safety zone.

I hear you.  But that is like saying Ford needs to personally log, collect, and comb through each persons car in order to install a baseline code.  Datalogging is a method to educate the tuner on how the changes impacted the vehicle.

What you just said is far from an acceptable comparison.

If this is to be a true comparison between both companies tunes then the unleashed tune should be used to its fullest potential by using datalog's.

Seeing that LMS does not offer datalog support then the tune you get from them is their highest offering for you car.

Why not use the entirety of what you pay for?

[J-Will]

Logging on your EB does not yield a better tune, the OP has independently and inadvertently proven this here.

I don't think any such thing has been proven.  This is one dataset out of many such possible datasets. 

As to what constitutes a better tune, is it the comfort level of the driver with the vehicle's behavior, is it that tenths of a second,  is it about breaking new ground?   Some people like to know for themselves what's going on with their machines.  Datalogging has its' place, and it is not in the shadows.

And by the way,  as vehicles age, their individual personalities do emerge based on the lives they have lived.  Datalogging can help identify problem areas and keep the tune in a safety zone.

I hear you.  But that is like saying Ford needs to personally log, collect, and comb through each persons car in order to install a baseline code.  Datalogging is a method to educate the tuner on how the changes impacted the vehicle.

What you just said is far from an acceptable comparison.

If this is to be a true comparison between both companies tunes then the unleashed tune should be used to its fullest potential by using datalog's.

Seeing that LMS does not offer datalog support then the tune you get from them is their highest offering for you car.

Why not use the entirety of what you pay for?

Or their tuner is knowledgeable enough to understand how the tweaks impact the vehicle from extensive in house tests and don't need the customer to show them what their changes did.

I can play this game all day. The customer only need be satisfied by their purchase. Two different companies, with two different approaches to put a customers mind at ease.

[wasinger3000]

Logging on your EB does not yield a better tune, the OP has independently and inadvertently proven this here.

I don't think any such thing has been proven.  This is one dataset out of many such possible datasets. 

As to what constitutes a better tune, is it the comfort level of the driver with the vehicle's behavior, is it that tenths of a second,  is it about breaking new ground?   Some people like to know for themselves what's going on with their machines.  Datalogging has its' place, and it is not in the shadows.

And by the way,  as vehicles age, their individual personalities do emerge based on the lives they have lived.  Datalogging can help identify problem areas and keep the tune in a safety zone.

I hear you.  But that is like saying Ford needs to personally log, collect, and comb through each persons car in order to install a baseline code.  Datalogging is a method to educate the tuner on how the changes impacted the vehicle.

What you just said is far from an acceptable comparison.

If this is to be a true comparison between both companies tunes then the unleashed tune should be used to its fullest potential by using datalog's.

Seeing that LMS does not offer datalog support then the tune you get from them is their highest offering for you car.

Why not use the entirety of what you pay for?

Or their tuner is knowledgeable enough to understand how the tweaks impact the vehicle from extensive in house tests and don't need the customer to show them what their changes did.

I can play this game all day. The customer only need be satisfied by their purchase. Two different companies, with two different approaches to put a customers mind at ease.

I don't think you quite grasp the concept at hand. Maybe your current kool-aid fueled ignorance is to blame.

NOT EVERY ENGINE IS THE SAME!

Hence a custom tune profiled by datalog's.

What do you think a dyno tune is? Oh yeah and LMS does dyno tunes. So that makes your previous statement idiotic.

I can do this all day.

[J-Will]

Not quite sure what you're attempting to insult me with, but its spelled Kool-Aid.

[wasinger3000]

Not quite sure what you're attempting to insult me with, but its spelled Kool-Aid.

Auto correct got the best of me.

I'm not here to insult. Just don't approve of your uneducated blathering.

[J-Will]

Since I am uneducated, and you're the educated SME; I will look into purchasing tunes from you. Because of all of your first hand experience in the field.

Oh you don't sell tunes? Perhaps its best to leave the methodology to those that do. If one requires data logging file be sent back and the customer understands and is willing then so be it. If another tuner does jot require logs sent back, and the customer understands then so be it.

[wasinger3000]

Since I am uneducated, and you're the educated SME; I will look into purchasing tunes from you. Because of all of your first hand experience in the field.

Oh you don't sell tunes? Perhaps its best to leave the methodology to those that do. If one requires data logging file be sent back and the customer understands and is willing then so be it. If another tuner does jot require logs sent back, and the customer understands then so be it.

Hah.

Have you done any datalog's yourself?

Do you understand what a datalog is used for?

It seems you don't quite understand what is being discussed.

[Jtrain]

So the bickering is fun

But I'm more interested in what has a cleaner daily drive?

[ZSHO]

I apologize to interject,been there done that,have mutual respect for both of you guys,but at the end the clear winner is the vendor who's getting rich.

[wasinger3000]

Yeah.... I'm over it. To each their own.

[SHOnUup]

My car is different.....it's an animal...roar..lol...12.54...just sayin

Rich

[SHOnUup]

Looking at the time slips though, we need an intervention here regardless of tune in car to get those 60's closer to the 1.80 range. Are you dropping the tire pressure at all?

Rich

[ElvenSho]

My car is different.....it's an animal...roar..lol...12.54...just sayin

Rich

Whats all done to ur car? Is it a 93 octane tune? Thats quick I hope mine is as quick but I will be on 92 octane most of the time.