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Started by anthonylee337, January 25, 2015, 10:06:13 AM

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#15
January 25, 2015, 10:01:11 PM
2011 MKS EcoBoost: MDesign Carbon Cold Air Intake; SP-534 Plugs; Power Stop C/S Rotors

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SHOdded

#16
January 26, 2015, 12:21:02 AM
With an induction system cleaning, you can get the best benefit with an oil/filter change shortly after, since the oil will get contaminated much quicker than in a normal drive cycle.  Check the oil frequently after the change to see if it needs doing again.

If you are really concerned about bent valves etc. you could get a USB boroscope and have a looksee to find out how bad your SHO has it.
2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

SHOdded

#17
March 15, 2015, 01:11:17 PM
A summary of the carbon buildup issues and current thoughts on GDI maintenance/repair:
http://www.motor.com/magazine/pdfs/122014_7.pdf
2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

BiGMaC

#18
March 15, 2015, 02:28:33 PM
Good read... thanks Manu.  It also clarifies the new 3.5 GDI with a parallel set of MP injectors as Ford is using in the new Ford GT.

•2013 Taurus SHO nonPP - All Ford factory options, 3BAR MAP, LMS v8 tune (mods for 3BAR, DPs, and T-stat), Paint & plastic correction, CQuart finest all exterior surfaces, limo black window tint,VLED Triton switchbacks, Daytime BrightLites switchback DRLs, full interior and exterior LED conversion, Lamin-X charcoal blackout tail lights and reflectors, PPE catted and coated downpipes, EBPP coated hotpipes with BoVs VTA, MDesign CAI
•2013 F250 CC Lariat 6.7EB Diesel -stock

anthonylee337

#19
March 15, 2015, 02:49:07 PM
Interesting read-wondering about the Ford program about changing out the heads under warranty! I'm guessing your engine would have to throw all kinds of codes for this to happen. I have close to 20k miles on mine and I don't feel even the slightest loss of power. I guess we'll have to keep our fingers crossed!
2013 SHO tuxedo black ppkg LMS stage 4 K+N

SHOdded

#20
March 15, 2015, 03:35:15 PM
They also advocated cleanings to be done regularly at 15K to 20K mile intervals (I guess BG-type GDI-specific services) to avoid any chances of meteorite activity inside the engine.  Now if we could lay down good percentages to figure out risk vs reward (rather than "I don't want to be the odd man out, so I am doing it"), that would be nice.  Especially since one of the advocated "continuous" solutions (i.e., catch can) remains inconsistent in its' results.
2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

r1crusher

#21
March 15, 2015, 04:18:12 PM
Quote from: BiGMaC on March 15, 2015, 02:28:33 PM
Good read... thanks Manu.  It also clarifies the new 3.5 GDI with a parallel set of MP injectors as Ford is using in the new Ford GT.

Could it simply be the extra MP injectors are nothing more than a necessity for additional fuel to get the power output vs. the need to keep carbon deposits down?  Seems like the former would logically outweigh the latter...just food for thought is all.
'13 SHO, AJP Tune w/ 3-Bar
'17 F-250 6.7 PowerStroke
'17 XSport

BiGMaC

#22
March 15, 2015, 04:44:20 PM
Quote from: r1crusher on March 15, 2015, 04:18:12 PM
Quote from: BiGMaC on March 15, 2015, 02:28:33 PM
Good read... thanks Manu.  It also clarifies the new 3.5 GDI with a parallel set of MP injectors as Ford is using in the new Ford GT.

Could it simply be the extra MP injectors are nothing more than a necessity for additional fuel to get the power output vs. the need to keep carbon deposits down?  Seems like the former would logically outweigh the latter...just food for thought is all.

Possible... They haven't disclosed many details yet.
However, Mike's SHO makes 600+ AWHP with factory fuel system and meth injection (Dan Millen Dynotune)...The Ford GT is 600 CHP which is only about 500 RWHP... So the factory system can support that much power...The article Manu posted suggests that being able to spray fuel (even if only under a particular set of circumstances is a help for the carbon coking of intake valves making fuel additive cleaning useful.

•2013 Taurus SHO nonPP - All Ford factory options, 3BAR MAP, LMS v8 tune (mods for 3BAR, DPs, and T-stat), Paint & plastic correction, CQuart finest all exterior surfaces, limo black window tint,VLED Triton switchbacks, Daytime BrightLites switchback DRLs, full interior and exterior LED conversion, Lamin-X charcoal blackout tail lights and reflectors, PPE catted and coated downpipes, EBPP coated hotpipes with BoVs VTA, MDesign CAI
•2013 F250 CC Lariat 6.7EB Diesel -stock

r1crusher

#23
March 15, 2015, 06:32:13 PM
Quote from: BiGMaC on March 15, 2015, 04:44:20 PM
Possible... They haven't disclosed many details yet.
However, Mike's SHO makes 600+ AWHP with factory fuel system and meth injection (Dan Millen Dynotune)...The Ford GT is 600 CHP which is only about 500 RWHP... So the factory system can support that much power...The article Manu posted suggests that being able to spray fuel (even if only under a particular set of circumstances is a help for the carbon coking of intake valves making fuel additive cleaning useful.

I didn't take the time to read the entire lengthy article nor have I looked or been privy to what some guys are making using the stock fueling...so thank you for that information.  It would just seem odd for Ford to do that to the GT simply to keep the valves from coking up instead of just needing the extra fuel.  That to me would indicate that Ford engineers are seeing something that they're not telling the GP (general public :) ).

Again, thanks for that info.  I think I'm going do some more reading and possibly even take a poke at checking and cleaning out the IC.  Tomorrow would be a good day since it'll be near 70 degrees here in Cinci.
'13 SHO, AJP Tune w/ 3-Bar
'17 F-250 6.7 PowerStroke
'17 XSport

SHOdded

#24
March 15, 2015, 06:59:56 PM
It is entirely possible that Ford will crank up power 2x for its' racing applications.  We have yet to hear about the limits of this setup (700 CHP is the rumored factory limit of the current stock 3.5EB setup, at least for the SHO).
2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

BiGMaC

#25
March 15, 2015, 07:45:44 PM
Quote from: SHOdded on March 15, 2015, 06:59:56 PM
It is entirely possible that Ford will crank up power 2x for its' racing applications.  We have yet to hear about the limits of this setup (700 CHP is the rumored factory limit of the current stock 3.5EB setup, at least for the SHO).
Granted new pistons, piston rods, deadbolts, etc, but if we look at Mike's... 617 AWHP + (.2 x 617) = 740.4 CHP ... so that's likely close.

•2013 Taurus SHO nonPP - All Ford factory options, 3BAR MAP, LMS v8 tune (mods for 3BAR, DPs, and T-stat), Paint & plastic correction, CQuart finest all exterior surfaces, limo black window tint,VLED Triton switchbacks, Daytime BrightLites switchback DRLs, full interior and exterior LED conversion, Lamin-X charcoal blackout tail lights and reflectors, PPE catted and coated downpipes, EBPP coated hotpipes with BoVs VTA, MDesign CAI
•2013 F250 CC Lariat 6.7EB Diesel -stock

vernonator

#26
March 17, 2015, 09:59:06 AM
Quote from: anthonylee337 on January 25, 2015, 07:22:06 PM
By the way-I have 6 dealerships within 10 miles of my house that offers this cleaning and none of them are Ford service centers! Makes you wonder

But....all 3 Ford dealers in MY area ARE BG service centers, and I had my dealer do the BG Fuel service on my SHO on my last oil change (at about 45k miles) seemed to smooth things out and my MPG bumped up a bit. SO....just because no locals does not mean no Ford dealers will do it. Next oil change I am going to have them do the driveline service including the PTU...
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glock-coma

#27
March 17, 2015, 02:11:11 PM
Here's a video before and after the BG service that I took awhile back.
http://youtu.be/Obg9QmIaCGc

http://youtu.be/8fnPAqxNQKo
2010 red candy metallic non PP 402B
AJPTURBO 2 BAR Tune Stock 14.1@100.3 / Tuned 12.83@107.7
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1997 SHO silver frost (sold)
1990 SHO triple black 5-speed (saved my life)

glock-coma

#28
March 17, 2015, 03:55:08 PM
I'll take another video soon to show if there's any difference after a few thousand miles.
2010 red candy metallic non PP 402B
AJPTURBO 2 BAR Tune Stock 14.1@100.3 / Tuned 12.83@107.7
K&N panel, RX OCC, Sp-534 @.30 Tint 50%F-35%R BOV bypass
1997 SHO silver frost (sold)
1990 SHO triple black 5-speed (saved my life)

SHOdded

#29
March 17, 2015, 04:10:24 PM
Quote from: glock-coma on March 17, 2015, 03:55:08 PM
I'll take another video soon to show if there's any difference after a few thousand miles.
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2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!
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