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Winter blend gas and E/85

Started by SHOnUup, October 12, 2014, 10:36:14 AM

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SHOnUup

#135
October 29, 2014, 02:04:14 PM
Quote from: Airbornemaikai on October 29, 2014, 01:25:41 PM
I just did a calculation based off of e75 (100 octane) and 93 with 10% ethanol which would give you that 93.7 octane and only 16.8 ethanol or e17 so lower than your initial estimate, which is good. I think it's crazy that the sho has a bigger tank than the explorer lol
This is what I was figuring also.

Rich

2011 Sterling Gray Metallic SHO non PP,
12.4211 @ 110.28 Livernois 3bar tune & CAI,
Added since...PPE catless Dpipes, Megan coilovers, Powergrid adjustable end links, and EBC slotted rotors and red stuff pads.
Tommy Designs grille with carbon fiber hydrographics, fender badges and fog bezels hydrodipped also, tinted windows, head & taillights, debadged trunk with all chrome plasti-dipped, black calipers, obdlink mx scantool running torque pro on 7" tablet.

SHOnUup

#136
October 29, 2014, 02:04:50 PM
Quote from: Spartn27 on October 29, 2014, 01:00:49 PM
Quote from: SHOdded on October 29, 2014, 12:40:31 PM
E15 is the limit for gen 4.1, per Ford, right?  I would go higher very cautiously.  Max 10% variance that engineers usually build in.

The gas cap says no E20 so that's what I've been going off of with no ill affects. I'm going to try 2 gallons to a tank which should put me at E18, though if you wanted to test the limits it would be 2.5 gallons of E85 and rest 93 octane which would be E20.

I think 2 gallons of E85 might be golden number, gives you some cushion room and it's quite easy to gauge.
My exact thinking when starting this experiment.

Rich

2011 Sterling Gray Metallic SHO non PP,
12.4211 @ 110.28 Livernois 3bar tune & CAI,
Added since...PPE catless Dpipes, Megan coilovers, Powergrid adjustable end links, and EBC slotted rotors and red stuff pads.
Tommy Designs grille with carbon fiber hydrographics, fender badges and fog bezels hydrodipped also, tinted windows, head & taillights, debadged trunk with all chrome plasti-dipped, black calipers, obdlink mx scantool running torque pro on 7" tablet.

ecoboostsho

#137
October 29, 2014, 02:36:33 PM
I really wish I knew how to develop a Torque plug in. It seems like it would be relatively easy to have it tell you how much E85 to put in to hit a certain ratio if you give it enough variables and had it use the %full PID...dang.
2013 White SHO w/PP, Gearhead Tuned, 3 Bar, 160T, Plugs...Mess with the Bull and you'll get the Horn. :)
Previous 2011 Tuxedo Black SHO w/PP - 12.89 1/4 Mile

SHOnUup

#138
October 29, 2014, 02:41:53 PM
Quote from: ecoboostsho on October 29, 2014, 02:36:33 PM
I really wish I knew how to develop a Torque plug in. It seems like it would be relatively easy to have it tell you how much E85 to put in to hit a certain ratio if you give it enough variables and had it use the %full PID...dang.
This is your expertise, guru of the tech stuff....thx again on the PID'S!!!!

Rich

2011 Sterling Gray Metallic SHO non PP,
12.4211 @ 110.28 Livernois 3bar tune & CAI,
Added since...PPE catless Dpipes, Megan coilovers, Powergrid adjustable end links, and EBC slotted rotors and red stuff pads.
Tommy Designs grille with carbon fiber hydrographics, fender badges and fog bezels hydrodipped also, tinted windows, head & taillights, debadged trunk with all chrome plasti-dipped, black calipers, obdlink mx scantool running torque pro on 7" tablet.

Larrylu

#139
October 29, 2014, 02:43:11 PM
I thought I read of an alcohol sensing functionality....maybe I'm mistaken
2010 Loaded, Non PP, Steel Blue Metallic, Livernois Stage 4+, Blacked out grill, Nexus 7 Tablet running Torque Pro

ecoboostsho

#140
October 29, 2014, 02:45:56 PM
Quote from: Larrylu on October 29, 2014, 02:43:11 PM
I thought I read of an alcohol sensing functionality....maybe I'm mistaken
There is a PID description in there for Torque but the SHO doesn't have the actual sensor so we are out of luck as far as I can tell.  I know I can't bring it up...
2013 White SHO w/PP, Gearhead Tuned, 3 Bar, 160T, Plugs...Mess with the Bull and you'll get the Horn. :)
Previous 2011 Tuxedo Black SHO w/PP - 12.89 1/4 Mile

FoMoCoSHO

#141
October 29, 2014, 03:27:14 PM
Modern cars no longer use alcohol sensors.

Larrylu

#142
October 30, 2014, 12:40:16 PM
Several weeks ago I switched from Sunoco 93 to Gulf 93 and I saw my KR go from 4.5 to 2 and I was pleased. Then after several consistent tanks like throwing a switch my KR jumped back up to 4.5 on the Gulf. Thinking maybe it's the winter gas so not expecting any magic difference I tried a tank of Mobil 93. This is my best yet with so far a KR of 0.8. I also have found a source for E85 about 6 miles away. So I brought a 5 gallon can home with me for future blending experiments. Frankly with the readings I'm getting right now with Mobil 93, I'm not going to rush into blending. For the time being I'll sit tight and keep an eye on the Knock Retard.
2010 Loaded, Non PP, Steel Blue Metallic, Livernois Stage 4+, Blacked out grill, Nexus 7 Tablet running Torque Pro

SHOdded

#143
October 30, 2014, 01:30:38 PM
Nice!   Is the Mobil price about the same?  What was the e85 going for?
2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

Larrylu

#144
October 30, 2014, 02:03:13 PM
I never checked the price on the Mobil but I imagine it's close to the Gulf as both of those stations are not price leaders. One of the better but not cheapest in my area was the Sunoco I used exclusively for years. The Sunoco is around $3.80 so I would guess the Mobil is still under $4.00. The E85 however was selling for $2.80. Such a bargain.....
2010 Loaded, Non PP, Steel Blue Metallic, Livernois Stage 4+, Blacked out grill, Nexus 7 Tablet running Torque Pro

SHOnUup

#145
October 30, 2014, 02:06:23 PM
Sounds like you ran into a bad supply of gas or something?

Good to hear you found some quality fuel and the elusive e/85.

Rich

2011 Sterling Gray Metallic SHO non PP,
12.4211 @ 110.28 Livernois 3bar tune & CAI,
Added since...PPE catless Dpipes, Megan coilovers, Powergrid adjustable end links, and EBC slotted rotors and red stuff pads.
Tommy Designs grille with carbon fiber hydrographics, fender badges and fog bezels hydrodipped also, tinted windows, head & taillights, debadged trunk with all chrome plasti-dipped, black calipers, obdlink mx scantool running torque pro on 7" tablet.

SHOnUup

#146
October 30, 2014, 06:51:15 PM


Car seems to smile a bit when we pull up to the e/85 pump!

Rich

2011 Sterling Gray Metallic SHO non PP,
12.4211 @ 110.28 Livernois 3bar tune & CAI,
Added since...PPE catless Dpipes, Megan coilovers, Powergrid adjustable end links, and EBC slotted rotors and red stuff pads.
Tommy Designs grille with carbon fiber hydrographics, fender badges and fog bezels hydrodipped also, tinted windows, head & taillights, debadged trunk with all chrome plasti-dipped, black calipers, obdlink mx scantool running torque pro on 7" tablet.

SHOdded

#147
October 30, 2014, 06:52:25 PM
Especially when you're sneaking in that E85 shot :D
2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

SHOnUup

#148
October 31, 2014, 07:28:18 AM
It's funny how the clerk was sort of rude when attempting to get my BP rewards card to work for the little $5 splash of e/85. Then respectfully had no problem when I returned to fill up shortly after.

Rich

2011 Sterling Gray Metallic SHO non PP,
12.4211 @ 110.28 Livernois 3bar tune & CAI,
Added since...PPE catless Dpipes, Megan coilovers, Powergrid adjustable end links, and EBC slotted rotors and red stuff pads.
Tommy Designs grille with carbon fiber hydrographics, fender badges and fog bezels hydrodipped also, tinted windows, head & taillights, debadged trunk with all chrome plasti-dipped, black calipers, obdlink mx scantool running torque pro on 7" tablet.

ecoboostsho

#149
October 31, 2014, 10:09:34 PM
Finally blended in enough E85 to hit about an E16 ratio and I am getting even better results. Still no knock and the throttle response at part throttle is noticeably improved. It just zips right along. I will continue to monitor it and see how she does...

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2013 White SHO w/PP, Gearhead Tuned, 3 Bar, 160T, Plugs...Mess with the Bull and you'll get the Horn. :)
Previous 2011 Tuxedo Black SHO w/PP - 12.89 1/4 Mile
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