I've responded to you in bold and with that I'm done.
Now, addressing the facts. 91 octane from various regions of course varies slightly, but dear lord, if you have your tune so much on asswhooper that you are having to adjust it because you went to a different station that is part of the problem that shows lack of wisdom in tuning. These are peoples cars, their 40k+ investment, why would anyone want to have to load a different tune everytime they decided to fill up somewhere else than normal, or go out of town?
Yes in town here between two stations with stock tune - not modified I will ping and so do others - STOCK FORD TUNE
Back again on datalogging, these loggers people are using have been proven to be incorrect. A great example is a/f ratio. People continue to request a/f ratio to tune these, and many other cars, but the computer doesn't speak in A/F, so an outside company takes a generic PID (which is broadcast much slower than the way we log) and converts it to a/f. But how is this done? You can't calculate A/F without knowing at the bare minimum the stoichiometric A/F of the fuel you're running. What if it's 14.64, 14.58, 14.53, 14.08, 13.71, etc? The A/F calculation changes based on this, as would the tuning associated with it. This flawed system of datalogging is why it takes so many attempts back and forth to get it better, but also why you never see that need with us. We know enough about these cars that we don't need logs. And in the rare occasion we are stumped, we load the tune into one of 11 different ecoboost vehicles at our disposal and recreate it.
SCT doesn't log in A/F it logs in lambda, what the ECU spits out - not A/F you guys are an SCT house, you know this. You use PID's too, that's what Ford uses, it's created to make the data stream, utilize it etc. It's the definition of data in the ECU:
BD-II PIDs (On-board diagnostics Parameter IDs) are codes used to request data from a vehicle, used as a diagnostic tool.
SAE standard J/1979 defines many PIDs, but manufacturers also define many more PIDs specific to their vehicles. All light duty vehicles (i.e. less than 8,500 pounds) sold in North America since 1996, as well as medium duty vehicles (i.e. 8,500-14,000 pounds) beginning in 2005, and heavy duty vehicles (i.e. greater than 14,000 pounds) beginning in 2010,[citation needed] are required to support OBD-II diagnostics, using a standardized data link connector, and a subset of the SAE J/1979 defined PIDs (or SAE J/1939 as applicable for medium/heavy duty vehicles), primarily for state mandated emissions inspections.
Typically, an automotive technician will use PIDs with a scan tool connected to the vehicle's OBD-II connector.
Another glaring issue with logging is you are asking customers to go out, and run their car hard with a potential issue. It takes just one WOT run with the tune wrong to blow it up. I also don't know how anyone can ask someone to go run these cars in 4th gear on public roads to gather accurate info. Doing a WOT run in 1st and 2nd does not load these cars properly, so not having an log at low load is rather meaningless. I don't know who here wants to sign up to run from 80-140 repeatedly to get important information. And on top of that, by doing so you are watching info, while not knowing if it's right or wrong, so if it's wrong it's very easily going to be too late, the damage will be done, all so someone can get a log that now is worthless since the car is damaged. Again, just another reason why we use our cars to do this.
For people who want to do the most with their cars - gearheads yes we are all prepared to do this, over and over to get the most out of our cars. You act as if I'm a tuner, I'm NOT and don't want to be, I'm just questioning some of the things you say, some of the technical things which are unfortuantely incorrect. I've made plenty of high load pulls - the track is the BEST place to do this, works fantastic. A good tuner will start with a very conservative timing/boost map and then move up from there, just as you did when you started your tunes. Then you up the timing and boost until you get knock or spark blow out etc etc etc. Again, my experience as a customer of Torrie's, Erick's and others. For the guys looking to be top you do things like that, just like you did on BPD's SHO with respect to the new motor/heads etc, you had to find out the max.
When tuned with the right logic, and knowledge behind it, the tune is right from the word go. You don't see Ford going around tuning the car differently for various regions, brands of fuel, or anything like that.
No you see Ford detuning massively OTHERWISE you wouldn't exist, right?
You have also accused us in the past of copying others, which is unfortunate. Let me just spell out some facts about us, our tuning, our products, and the results from it.
I don't remember that happening, are you talking about how you took the same cats from our downpipes and put them on yours? Great job, now you offer a set of downpipes that have come down in price massively since introduced and now pass emissions based off of competition. If you would have offered those downpipes when you came out at the price you're currently at I'd probably never have started working with PPE.
First 600whp EcoBoost Dyno captured on video
Nice jab, thanks for perpetuating that it didn't happen, great job there... I'm happy with the results of my tune and the power output and would happily have the witnesses there sign an affidavit testifying to the fact that it happened. Sorry I didn't video EVERY pull that night, around 20-30 overall as we were going through tuning revisions with the aux fueling controller. I like how I find out the source of that rumor, that I lied about my HP comes from you, thanks for confirmation.
We spend a great deal of time and resources making certain what we have is the best out there, and the easiest, most reliable offering. We would love to be able to charge our customers, and then make them do the work for us, but it's not how we operate.
Some guys want adjust-ability, they should have that, you don't have to provide it, it's completely OK that others do. Not all tuners will fit all customers profile, you don't have to have EVERY customer. Now if someone offers a tuner at a lower price with the capability to do adjustments then that's freaking awesome, WIN WIN for me, maybe not for others.
