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Torque PIDs...Take 2

Started by ecoboostsho, June 07, 2014, 07:59:06 PM

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millinnium

#345
Hi guys, i have been data logging, and finally, I found a situation where Learned Relative Octane Adjust will go negative, I have captured that HEX 1700 translate to -1.70% on FORScan.

This will mean that so far the 3 readings i have are:
HEX D145  = Decimal (53573) = 73.01%
HEX DCEC = Decimal (56556) = 54.81%
HEX 1700 = Decimal (5888) = -1.70%

The positive values the formula works, but it goes to 300+ when it is suppose to read -1.70%



ecoboostsho

#346
Quote from: SHOnUup on July 11, 2014, 09:19:55 AM
After thinking I copied the attachment over to my tablet in the right folder, still couldn't find it in torque so I just manually loaded some custom PID'S ...

Noticed a difference in the equations for the 2 fuel pump pressure PID'S. ..when lookin at those 2 on 1st page they have .145 compared to 1.145 in the attachment file...haven't got to test which one is right yet.

The PIDs on the first page show 10 * .145 which I just shortened mathwise in the csv file to 1.45.  This is in PSI...if you wanted kpa for some reason you would need to drop the .145 part on the first page OR modify the equation in the file to be just *10.

Hope that helps...

Actually now that you say that I did goof...it does say 1.145 in the file and should have been 1.45.  Nice catch.  The differential pressure still would have calculated correctly since I did it in both places but the value would be off.
2013 White SHO w/PP, Gearhead Tuned, 3 Bar, 160T, Plugs...Mess with the Bull and you'll get the Horn. :)
Previous 2011 Tuxedo Black SHO w/PP - 12.89 1/4 Mile

SHOnUup

Roger that..thx....spent many hours loading and playing with it last night and am now waiting on the woman to get home with car...man I thought she was taking the truck today
2011 Sterling Gray Metallic SHO non PP,
12.4211 @ 110.28 Livernois 3bar tune & CAI,
Added since...PPE catless Dpipes, Megan coilovers, Powergrid adjustable end links, and EBC slotted rotors and red stuff pads.
Tommy Designs grille with carbon fiber hydrographics, fender badges and fog bezels hydrodipped also, tinted windows, head & taillights, debadged trunk with all chrome plasti-dipped, black calipers, obdlink mx scantool running torque pro on 7" tablet.

ecoboostsho

Quote from: SHOnUup on July 11, 2014, 11:32:23 AM
Roger that..thx....spent many hours loading and playing with it last night and am now waiting on the woman to get home with car...man I thought she was taking the truck today

File has been updated!  Man that would stink!  Can't blame the wife for wanting to drive the SHO though.
2013 White SHO w/PP, Gearhead Tuned, 3 Bar, 160T, Plugs...Mess with the Bull and you'll get the Horn. :)
Previous 2011 Tuxedo Black SHO w/PP - 12.89 1/4 Mile

SHOnUup

Happy wife = happy life... rough with them being masters of disguise and that silly thing called estrogen. ..lol
2011 Sterling Gray Metallic SHO non PP,
12.4211 @ 110.28 Livernois 3bar tune & CAI,
Added since...PPE catless Dpipes, Megan coilovers, Powergrid adjustable end links, and EBC slotted rotors and red stuff pads.
Tommy Designs grille with carbon fiber hydrographics, fender badges and fog bezels hydrodipped also, tinted windows, head & taillights, debadged trunk with all chrome plasti-dipped, black calipers, obdlink mx scantool running torque pro on 7" tablet.

ecoboostsho

Quote from: millinnium on July 11, 2014, 10:21:19 AM
Hi guys, i have been data logging, and finally, I found a situation where Learned Relative Octane Adjust will go negative, I have captured that HEX 0117 translate to -1.70% on FORScan.

This will mean that so far the 3 readings i have are:
HEX D145  = Decimal (53573) = 73.01%
HEX DCEC = Decimal (56556) = 54.81%
HEX 0117 = Decimal (279) = -1.70%

The positive values the formula works, but it goes to 300+ when it is suppose to read -1.70%



Wow...that is going to be a tough one.  If I graph those values they look to be non-linear so I'm not sure what it is doing... Since you don't have a Taurus I am wondering your ECU and the associated PID/formula is trying to produce the -1 to +1 but Forscan is giving weird values.  I don't know why you would even get a negative percent...sorry but I'm stumped on this one.
2013 White SHO w/PP, Gearhead Tuned, 3 Bar, 160T, Plugs...Mess with the Bull and you'll get the Horn. :)
Previous 2011 Tuxedo Black SHO w/PP - 12.89 1/4 Mile

ShoBoat

Quote from: millinnium on July 11, 2014, 10:21:19 AM
Hi guys, i have been data logging, and finally, I found a situation where Learned Relative Octane Adjust will go negative, I have captured that HEX 0117 translate to -1.70% on FORScan.

This will mean that so far the 3 readings i have are:
HEX D145  = Decimal (53573) = 73.01%
HEX DCEC = Decimal (56556) = 54.81%
HEX 0117 = Decimal (279) = -1.70%

The positive values the formula works, but it goes to 300+ when it is suppose to read -1.70%




HEX 0117, is this Short term fuel trim?
2012 Pearl White CTS-V Stock
2016 Fusion Titanium 2.0 EB Stock
2013 SHO Black on Black (Gone) PP, Unleashed Custom Tune, 170 TStat, SP534 Plugs, 3 Bar, Airaid Intake, PPE catted downpipes, Corsa Cat-back, H&R Springs. Focal 165KR Front Stage,2 JL W6 10 with Focal 800.1. 12.62 @ 110 mph.

ecoboostsho

Quote from: ShoBoat on July 11, 2014, 12:29:13 PM
Quote from: millinnium on July 11, 2014, 10:21:19 AM
Hi guys, i have been data logging, and finally, I found a situation where Learned Relative Octane Adjust will go negative, I have captured that HEX 0117 translate to -1.70% on FORScan.

This will mean that so far the 3 readings i have are:
HEX D145  = Decimal (53573) = 73.01%
HEX DCEC = Decimal (56556) = 54.81%
HEX 0117 = Decimal (279) = -1.70%

The positive values the formula works, but it goes to 300+ when it is suppose to read -1.70%




HEX 0117, is this Short term fuel trim?
I believe he is listing values or the learned octane PID not the PIDs themselves.
2013 White SHO w/PP, Gearhead Tuned, 3 Bar, 160T, Plugs...Mess with the Bull and you'll get the Horn. :)
Previous 2011 Tuxedo Black SHO w/PP - 12.89 1/4 Mile

ShoBoat

Thanks, weird I have never seen a negative number for that.


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2012 Pearl White CTS-V Stock
2016 Fusion Titanium 2.0 EB Stock
2013 SHO Black on Black (Gone) PP, Unleashed Custom Tune, 170 TStat, SP534 Plugs, 3 Bar, Airaid Intake, PPE catted downpipes, Corsa Cat-back, H&R Springs. Focal 165KR Front Stage,2 JL W6 10 with Focal 800.1. 12.62 @ 110 mph.

ecoboostsho

It seems to be much different than our car...
2013 White SHO w/PP, Gearhead Tuned, 3 Bar, 160T, Plugs...Mess with the Bull and you'll get the Horn. :)
Previous 2011 Tuxedo Black SHO w/PP - 12.89 1/4 Mile

wasinger3000

So the awd pid shows up as active on my f350....
13' SHO, Non-PP, Tuned by Torrie, Meth injection, 3 bar, 170* stat, custom axle back exhaust, Prosport Boost gauge.
15' F150 Lariat Sport, all the options, 3.5L Eco. (fiancée ride.)
13' GTCS, will be missed.

wasinger3000

What kind of trans temps are you guys seeing usually? My highest so far has been 208. Seems a little hot.
13' SHO, Non-PP, Tuned by Torrie, Meth injection, 3 bar, 170* stat, custom axle back exhaust, Prosport Boost gauge.
15' F150 Lariat Sport, all the options, 3.5L Eco. (fiancée ride.)
13' GTCS, will be missed.

SHOnUup

Just put Trans temp on the display about 10 minutes ago. Is there an advanced way to make gauges on torque?
2011 Sterling Gray Metallic SHO non PP,
12.4211 @ 110.28 Livernois 3bar tune & CAI,
Added since...PPE catless Dpipes, Megan coilovers, Powergrid adjustable end links, and EBC slotted rotors and red stuff pads.
Tommy Designs grille with carbon fiber hydrographics, fender badges and fog bezels hydrodipped also, tinted windows, head & taillights, debadged trunk with all chrome plasti-dipped, black calipers, obdlink mx scantool running torque pro on 7" tablet.

millinnium

#358
Quote from: ecoboostsho on July 11, 2014, 12:07:14 PM
Quote from: millinnium on July 11, 2014, 10:21:19 AM
Hi guys, i have been data logging, and finally, I found a situation where Learned Relative Octane Adjust will go negative, I have captured that HEX 0117 translate to -1.70% on FORScan.

This will mean that so far the 3 readings i have are:
HEX D145  = Decimal (53573) = 73.01%
HEX DCEC = Decimal (56556) = 54.81%
HEX 0117 = Decimal (279) = -1.70%

The positive values the formula works, but it goes to 300+ when it is suppose to read -1.70%



Wow...that is going to be a tough one.  If I graph those values they look to be non-linear so I'm not sure what it is doing... Since you don't have a Taurus I am wondering your ECU and the associated PID/formula is trying to produce the -1 to +1 but Forscan is giving weird values.  I don't know why you would even get a negative percent...sorry but I'm stumped on this one.

yeah.. it is an odd one. but it does look like it is showing a possible range of -100% to 100%, note i quoted the wrong HEX, it should be 1700 not 0117 as posted earlier. So converted it is decimal 5888

ecoboostsho

Quote from: wasinger3000 on July 12, 2014, 12:48:26 AM
What kind of trans temps are you guys seeing usually? My highest so far has been 208. Seems a little hot.
Depends on speed and ambient but 208 is pretty consistent going 75-80 on the highway. Sometimes higher. I have an alarm set at 230 but it doesn't get near that thankfully. I also tink that sounds a bit high though.
2013 White SHO w/PP, Gearhead Tuned, 3 Bar, 160T, Plugs...Mess with the Bull and you'll get the Horn. :)
Previous 2011 Tuxedo Black SHO w/PP - 12.89 1/4 Mile