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Torque PIDs...Take 2

Started by ecoboostsho, June 07, 2014, 07:59:06 PM

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millinnium

Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on June 15, 2014, 09:59:42 AM
Very interested in learned relative octane adjust......

Seems that could be a handy pid for e-85 testing.

I wonder what value it is calculating.....hmmm.

Some reader gauges show this as -1.0 to 1.0 (-1 being high octane),
FORScan represents it as 0% - 100%, totally not sure what it means though. Could directly mean what the ECU thinks the Octane of the fuel is or it is a compensation %

millinnium

Quote from: ecoboostsho on June 15, 2014, 10:19:37 AM
Larry...when you say gear indicator do you mean 1,2,3...? Because you can infer the gear you are in easily with the gear ratio PID we found already.

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Gear command by Output state
221e12
GIVES GEAR RESULT 0,1,2,3,4,5,6

millinnium

Quote from: Larrylu on June 15, 2014, 10:45:26 AM

Quote from: ecoboostsho on June 15, 2014, 10:19:37 AM
Larry...when you say gear indicator do you mean 1,2,3...? Because you can infer the gear you are in easily with the gear ratio PID we found already.

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Yes but I'm thinking that the gear number must be available because it is displayed in the speedo cluster as "1,2,3...." when in manual. I'd like to display that in Torque while driving in "D". Reminds me of a Suzuki bike I had years ago which had a digital gear indicator for the six speed. I liked it!

Gear command by Output state
221e12
GIVES GEAR RESULT 0,1,2,3,4,5,6

millinnium

Quote from: ecoboostsho on June 15, 2014, 12:08:54 PM
Quote from: millinnium on June 15, 2014, 08:09:55 AM
Even though I don't have an ecoboost engine (2011 German built Ford Focus Titanium) in Australia, my search on the web for torque PID have led me here, and it is here that I have found the most help. So I would like to return in kind with a few PIDs that may help:

If anyone can get the equation or verify them, it will help the community tremendously.

steering wheel angle  {No Data} - use header ABS
223302
formula = "((signed(A)*256+b)/10-780"

lateral angle (g)  {No Data} - use header ABS
222b0c
"SIGNED(A)"
Formula = i not sure

BFLHP Brake fluid line hydraulic pressure 9kpa) {No Data}
222b0d

Transmission Gear Engaged {No Response}
221e1f

Gear command by Output state {Response but give me a hex 10 or 8 depending on gear shift selector position...not sure what to do with this one.}
221e12
Formula = A (direct convert to decimal)

In Gear? {Didn't Test}
221e04
- 621e0400000000 = No

cataylst temp {Already in torque?} - my torque cataylst temp goes up to 760 deg celcius.. was suspicious so i went and find the PID
22f43c
"((A*256)+B)-40"

fuel level {Already in Torque ? but this did work for me} - yep
22f42f
(A/255*100)

torque control request {Had this on my front page...wasn't terribly interesting.  Just told you what was requesting Torque reduction not the actual amount.} - yeah it is just the mode it is requesting
2203af
- 6203af0c = anti-theft

maX diff btw TP1 AND TP2 {Got a response but it was only every 0 or 1 degree.  Would not expect it to vary much unless something was broken?}
2203A7
6203A700 = 0 DEG

INLET AIR TEMP FAULT {Didn't test. MIL would Light} - just gives a bit encoded result ("yes"/no")
220700
0800000 = NO FAULT

ENGINE TOTAL DIST (STARTUP?) {Didn't test}
22DD01

LEARNED RELATIVE OCTANE ADJUST {Works but formula is potentially different...see previous post}
2203E8
DCEC = 54.81%
"A/256*100"

CLUTCH A SLIP  (REV/MIN) {No Data} - this one works for me, might be just need header for you guys
221EBB
"((A*256)+B)*(1/4)"

CLUTCH B SLIP {No Data} - this one works for me, might be just need header for you guys
221EBC
"((A*256)+B)*(1/4)"

TRANS AXLE (GEAR RATIO) MEASURED {Already have this on first page}
221E16
F143 = 15.079:1
((A*256)+B) / 4096

726 Header - for battery stuff  {No Data}
BATT AGE
224027
HEADER = 726
"((A*256)+B)"

BATT CHARGE {No Data}
HEADER = 726
224028
"A"

BATT TEMP (c) {No Data}
224029
HEADER = 726
"A-40"

IN CAR TEMP (BCM) {No Data - although my car doesn't have a BCM. 2013+ does}
22DD04
HEADER = 726
Formula = "A/8"

OUTTEMP {No Data}
22DD05

LATERAL G {No Data} - use header ABS
222B11
"((signed(A)*256)+B)*0.02"

LONGATUDE G {No Data} - use header ABS
222B0C
"((signed(A)*256)+B)*0.02"

CLUTCH A OPEN {No data}
221EA0
1 = YES
621EA000010001

ACC COMP STATE {didn't test} - this just tells if air cond compressor is on/off
22099B
0000= OFF

ACC PEDAL POSITION %  {worked but formula for me was just A/2 to get a 99.9% value...there are a ton of these in Torque already although none of them get me to 100%...}
22032B
Formula = "A/256*100" <-- try this formula it works. (FF = 256.. so if 256/2 = 128 points)
note that this value = 0 when you are using cruise control as it measure actual pedal position of the accelerator. This position % is the raw read of the pedal position.

Thanks a ton for posting this.  I did some quick checking and got the following results which I will Post in {} above so I don't have to retype every PID.

You guys are very welcomed!

SHOdded

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Quote from: millinnium on June 16, 2014, 12:01:25 AM
Quote from: Larrylu on June 15, 2014, 10:45:26 AM

Quote from: ecoboostsho on June 15, 2014, 10:19:37 AM
Larry...when you say gear indicator do you mean 1,2,3...? Because you can infer the gear you are in easily with the gear ratio PID we found already.

Sent from my XT1060 using Tapatalk

Yes but I'm thinking that the gear number must be available because it is displayed in the speedo cluster as "1,2,3...." when in manual. I'd like to display that in Torque while driving in "D". Reminds me of a Suzuki bike I had years ago which had a digital gear indicator for the six speed. I liked it!

Gear command by Output state
221e12
GIVES GEAR RESULT 0,1,2,3,4,5,6

I will have to go back and see if any of the entries I made are possibly not permitting my 0 reading. So far I've seen 1 through 6.
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ecoboostsho

I don't get a zero either...

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ecoboostsho

QuoteACC PEDAL POSITION %  {worked but formula for me was just A/2 to get a 99.9% value...there are a ton of these in Torque already although none of them get me to 100%...}
22032B
Formula = "A/256*100" <-- try this formula it works. (FF = 256.. so if 256/2 = 128 points)
note that this value = 0 when you are using cruise control as it measure actual pedal position of the accelerator. This position % is the raw read of the pedal position.

I did try the formula you mentioned and my Max value was 77.7% with the car floored.  I simply found this varied from 0 to 200 (decimal) on my car so I just divided by 2 so I could get an actual 0-100% pedal position.  I realize the car is commanding all sorts of throttle values at the throttle body itself so I like this PID...just got weird results with the formula you mentioned.
2013 White SHO w/PP, Gearhead Tuned, 3 Bar, 160T, Plugs...Mess with the Bull and you'll get the Horn. :)
Previous 2011 Tuxedo Black SHO w/PP - 12.89 1/4 Mile

ShoBoat

I was wondering about this the other day. I don't believe I have ever seen a value of close to 100% at the TB. Does it ever get to fully open?


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EcoPowerParts

Quote from: ShoBoat on June 16, 2014, 10:04:53 AM
I was wondering about this the other day. I don't believe I have ever seen a value of close to 100% at the TB. Does it ever get to fully open?


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No if you go beyond around 80% it's past open and closing.
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ecoboostsho

Makes sense. So the original formula is valid I just think the logic is dumb.  80% shouldn't mean all the way open. Doh!

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Previous 2011 Tuxedo Black SHO w/PP - 12.89 1/4 Mile

ShoBoat

Quote from: 4DRHTRD on June 16, 2014, 11:47:46 AM
Quote from: ShoBoat on June 16, 2014, 10:04:53 AM
I was wondering about this the other day. I don't believe I have ever seen a value of close to 100% at the TB. Does it ever get to fully open?


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No if you go beyond around 80% it's past open and closing.
Thanks Mike

It's not the formula, in FORScan it is also like that. I think the max I have ever seen is 77% and it only gets that far by 3 gear in a WOT run from a dead stop.
2012 Pearl White CTS-V Stock
2016 Fusion Titanium 2.0 EB Stock
2013 SHO Black on Black (Gone) PP, Unleashed Custom Tune, 170 TStat, SP534 Plugs, 3 Bar, Airaid Intake, PPE catted downpipes, Corsa Cat-back, H&R Springs. Focal 165KR Front Stage,2 JL W6 10 with Focal 800.1. 12.62 @ 110 mph.

millinnium

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Quote from: ecoboostsho on June 16, 2014, 09:35:03 AM
QuoteACC PEDAL POSITION %  {worked but formula for me was just A/2 to get a 99.9% value...there are a ton of these in Torque already although none of them get me to 100%...}
22032B
Formula = "A/256*100" <-- try this formula it works. (FF = 256.. so if 256/2 = 128 points)
note that this value = 0 when you are using cruise control as it measure actual pedal position of the accelerator. This position % is the raw read of the pedal position.

I did try the formula you mentioned and my Max value was 77.7% with the car floored.  I simply found this varied from 0 to 200 (decimal) on my car so I just divided by 2 so I could get an actual 0-100% pedal position.  I realize the car is commanding all sorts of throttle values at the throttle body itself so I like this PID...just got weird results with the formula you mentioned.

Hi Ecoboost, i have double check and your A/2 formula is actually the correct formula. Note that this PID gives the accelerator pedal reading, and should show 0-100% range or 99.9% to be precise. It will also show 0% when you are on cruise control since you are not pressing the accelerator pedal itself.

ecoboostsho

Thanks Millinnium! 

I also spent some time this morning with the AWD modulation % (engages the rear wheel clutch as required) and couldn't get the previous PID to work.  I then realized you need a "Header" address of 726 plugged in.  Works like a charm now.  Will update the first post.
2013 White SHO w/PP, Gearhead Tuned, 3 Bar, 160T, Plugs...Mess with the Bull and you'll get the Horn. :)
Previous 2011 Tuxedo Black SHO w/PP - 12.89 1/4 Mile

FoMoCoSHO

Keep up the good work guys, and THANK YOU!