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Re: FORScan?
« Reply #195 on: November 21, 2018, 08:35:46 AM »
I've read thru the posts and couldn't find if anyone has asked this silly/dumb question.

Can you use the OBD adapter from your handheld tuner unit (IE SCT) and connect with laptop hdmi port using FORScan? Or is the best approach to get a bluetooth adapter? I dont mind using my laptop and plan on using it for diagnostics to see if a miss-fire is occurring. Possibly looking at Mode 6 diag results to see if its below the min/mav values and therefore not throwing a CEL.

Thanks in advance.
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Re: FORScan?
« Reply #196 on: November 21, 2018, 11:05:07 AM »
HDMI?  I don't think you can do that without an HDMI-Bluetooth or HDMI-Wifi Converter.  Usually a USB port or Wifi is the way to connect depending on the revision of the tuner.
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Re: FORScan?
« Reply #197 on: November 21, 2018, 01:39:23 PM »
HDMI?  I don't think you can do that without an HDMI-Bluetooth or HDMI-Wifi Converter.  Usually a USB port or Wifi is the way to connect depending on the revision of the tuner.

I was thinking of trying to use the OBD adapter from my SCT and connecting it directly to my laptop and seeing if it will connect.

I've attached the image of the adapter that came with the SCT I mentioned above. It may not work at all. Probably figures why no one has mentioned it because it is a dumb question lol!

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Re: FORScan?
« Reply #198 on: November 22, 2018, 12:16:10 AM »
Do you have a closeup of the connector - certainly looks like an HDMI ...  HDMI can be spec'd to carry Ethernet, so possibly using that?
https://www.cmple.com/learn/learning-center-hdmi-cables-with-ethernet
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If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

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Re: FORScan?
« Reply #199 on: November 22, 2018, 12:29:55 AM »
If your laptop is able to pick up the ethernet thru HDMI is may be possible all the can signals are pretty close to the same so I have read but haven't gotten that far in the actual reading of everything.

You maybe abel to wire or get a HDMI converter to some other port like HDMI to vga then strip a VGA cord then convert it to serial but that is very complicated and probably around the same price of just getting a dongle but if you were to figure it out it could make it cheaper for someone else
HDMI?  I don't think you can do that without an HDMI-Bluetooth or HDMI-Wifi Converter.  Usually a USB port or Wifi is the way to connect depending on the revision of the tuner.

I was thinking of trying to use the OBD adapter from my SCT and connecting it directly to my laptop and seeing if it will connect.

I've attached the image of the adapter that came with the SCT I mentioned above. It may not work at all. Probably figures why no one has mentioned it because it is a dumb question lol!

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Re: FORScan?
« Reply #200 on: February 27, 2019, 05:10:09 PM »
Hello everyone that has scanned the can Network to figure out pids I needs some help figuring out how to do this and or find of the Ford explorer sand mode sends a code in hopes to make a button you can press to have the sho going to traction control off quickly

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Re: FORScan?
« Reply #201 on: February 27, 2019, 05:49:52 PM »
ecoboostsho is the original pid scan meister on this forum.  perhaps he will chime in or you can pm him directly.
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If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

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Re: FORScan?
« Reply #202 on: February 28, 2019, 08:31:37 AM »
X2 Dave (ecoboostsho) is the PID Master! Z   :)


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Re: FORScan?
« Reply #203 on: February 28, 2019, 08:41:43 AM »
Hey there! Appreciate the references but I am far from an expert on CANBUS communications - that said I will happily chime in what I do know.  (I did get your PM as well Gjkrisa).  The challenge with scanning the PID's per se is that the method I used originally to figure out the numeric values for them involved using a known scan tool to do so.  The modules communicate directly between them via addresses on the CANBUS so you need to be able to intercept that communication or have it originate on the scan tool.  With a scan tool (like FORSCAN for instance) you could sniff the traffic between the PC and the car to see what the responses were.  If you are actually trying to intercept a communication between modules (like what the Explorer does when you put it in SAND mode as the example you sent me via PM) you have to have a way to see that PID response and that won't be easy. 

Bottom line is if you can replicate the action/request with a SCAN tool and use a serial sniffer to see it then we can interpret the results and possibly make some progress.  Without that I don't know of a way to essentially see all of the traffic on the CAN bus and even if you could picking out the one thing you are after would be difficult because we don't really know what we are looking for. 
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Re: FORScan?
« Reply #204 on: February 28, 2019, 09:03:58 AM »
Hey there! Appreciate the references but I am far from an expert on CANBUS communications - that said I will happily chime in what I do know.  (I did get your PM as well Gjkrisa).  The challenge with scanning the PID's per se is that the method I used originally to figure out the numeric values for them involved using a known scan tool to do so.  The modules communicate directly between them via addresses on the CANBUS so you need to be able to intercept that communication or have it originate on the scan tool.  With a scan tool (like FORSCAN for instance) you could sniff the traffic between the PC and the car to see what the responses were.  If you are actually trying to intercept a communication between modules (like what the Explorer does when you put it in SAND mode as the example you sent me via PM) you have to have a way to see that PID response and that won't be easy. 

Bottom line is if you can replicate the action/request with a SCAN tool and use a serial sniffer to see it then we can interpret the results and possibly make some progress.  Without that I don't know of a way to essentially see all of the traffic on the CAN bus and even if you could picking out the one thing you are after would be difficult because we don't really know what we are looking for.
Right yeah I had gotten a log on my phone but had messed up a few times so when I finally started logging the packets it supposedly filled the 1mb buffer and only showed me 15 lines of which also have no idea what they were so yeah was curious how you could even tell what your even looking at so that makes sense
They mention on a artical on obd hacking that you just keep flipping your trigger few different patterns so you can find that one object

Thank you for that little bit of insight.

You remember any of the commands of what you used to establish connection and get it all prepared?

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Re: FORScan?
« Reply #205 on: February 28, 2019, 02:44:49 PM »
Hey there! Appreciate the references but I am far from an expert on CANBUS communications - that said I will happily chime in what I do know.  (I did get your PM as well Gjkrisa).  The challenge with scanning the PID's per se is that the method I used originally to figure out the numeric values for them involved using a known scan tool to do so.  The modules communicate directly between them via addresses on the CANBUS so you need to be able to intercept that communication or have it originate on the scan tool.  With a scan tool (like FORSCAN for instance) you could sniff the traffic between the PC and the car to see what the responses were.  If you are actually trying to intercept a communication between modules (like what the Explorer does when you put it in SAND mode as the example you sent me via PM) you have to have a way to see that PID response and that won't be easy. 

Bottom line is if you can replicate the action/request with a SCAN tool and use a serial sniffer to see it then we can interpret the results and possibly make some progress.  Without that I don't know of a way to essentially see all of the traffic on the CAN bus and even if you could picking out the one thing you are after would be difficult because we don't really know what we are looking for.
Right yeah I had gotten a log on my phone but had messed up a few times so when I finally started logging the packets it supposedly filled the 1mb buffer and only showed me 15 lines of which also have no idea what they were so yeah was curious how you could even tell what your even looking at so that makes sense
They mention on a artical on obd hacking that you just keep flipping your trigger few different patterns so you can find that one object

Thank you for that little bit of insight.

You remember any of the commands of what you used to establish connection and get it all prepared?

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Here are some notes I made for myself a long time ago.  You may need to tweak the STP setting and the STCAFCP to get what you want (assuming all this still works).  This is based on an OBDlink MX adapter which utilizes the STN1100 chip set.  After you establish a serial session with the car you can type the following to set things up.  You may need to tweak the settings depending on your terminal server serial connection to get the display you are after.

ATI  (Just prints ELM 327 version ID string)
STI  (Prints Firmware ID string)
STP53 (Sets Protocol to 53 - MS CAN as an example)
ATPC  (Protocol Close)
ATE0  (Echo off)
ATL0  (Line Feed Off)
ATH1  (Headers On)
ATST32  (Sets timeout to 32ms)
ATS0  (Print Spaces off)
ATAT1  (Adaptive timing Auto)
ATCAF1  (Automatic Formatting On)
ATTP6  (Try Protocol 6)
ATBI  (Bypass Initialization sequence)
ATAL  (Allow long messages)

ATSH0007E0 (Set header to 00 07 E0 - this is typically your scan tool address if I recall correctly)
STCAFCP7E0,726  (Adds a flow control 11-bit ID pair, 7E0 is your scan tool and 726 is your target module address...you could request a known PID from the AWD module and see what header it responds with and use that going forward)

Here is the entire guide for the chipset...

https://www.scantool.net/scantool/downloads/98/stn1100-frpm.pdf

You can actually monitor all messages and then filter for what you are after...challenge is you don't know the PID but I think you could at least limit it to the communication between the module in question.   

It's been quite awhile since I dug in to this so take the above with a grain of salt and maybe experiment a bit! (But don't go too crazy. :)  )
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