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Started by zamirlihari, May 23, 2014, 09:45:18 AM

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SHOdded

ZSHO, it's worth returning to a stock tune with the 2 bar put back in, if at all possible, so you can get a baseline for what your SHO runs with the DPs and the Corsas in place.  If you are having problems even then, maybe there was a problem with their installation.  Would also get the O2 sensors tested, since they'd have to have been removed and replaced during the DP installation.  Maybe the sensor got damaged or a wire got nicked.
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If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

ZSHO

Strange thing happened,yesterday was driving around with wife and kids for about half an hour,i kept looking at the mpg it said 8.2, could not believe it,driving around like a real Taurus,nice n easy,Quick question on the dash where it says fuel economy,what settings do you use 5,10,15 intervals,thank you all especially SHOdded.


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MeanKS

Quote from: SHOdded on May 24, 2014, 06:48:42 PM
ZSHO, it's worth returning to a stock tune with the 2 bar put back in, if at all possible, so you can get a baseline for what your SHO runs with the DPs and the Corsas in place.  If you are having problems even then, maybe there was a problem with their installation.  Would also get the O2 sensors tested, since they'd have to have been removed and replaced during the DP installation.  Maybe the sensor got damaged or a wire got nicked.

how would a malfunctioning O2 sensor affect gas mileage?

I noticed once i installed my OBD-MX and use Torque, that one of the oxygen sensors shows constantly varying readings while the other more or less stays constant. 

I've also had issues with gas mileage...
MKS-EB...

SHOdded

If the O2 readings are not correct, then your AFR as determined by the PCM would be be incorrect as well, typically running fuel rich in that scenario.  Though I believe other sensors also come into play in late model vehicles, O2 readings remain critical to a fuel efficient burn.  In my own case, albeit a '95, fouled O2 sensors led to horrible mpg (low teens or single digits).
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If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

panther427

I would thinik bad O2 or bad injector.
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anthonylee337

I drive my car like an old man and I'm averaging 18 mpg according to my computer. I get around 26 on the highway. Would like to know how some of y'all are getting better I run nothing but Shell VPower 93 with the stage 4 tune.
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Josephm

Dirty valves, clogged cats, all variables in the MPG
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anthonylee337

Don't think so my car has 13k miles on it and runs great besides my car gets exactly what Ford states It should get.
2013 SHO tuxedo black ppkg LMS stage 4 K+N

MeanKS

yep, i think somethings wrong with an O2 sensor.

according to the Torque scan today, several pings came up showing a problem:

O2 Heater Monitor Bank 3 - Sensor 4
Max: 40   Min: 26,721
Test result value: 880
FAIL


I'm going to try and bring it in to the dealer and had them take a look, after going back to stock of course...
MKS-EB...

JimiJak

First off: have you double checked your actual mpg rather than just going by calculated values to see what you're actually getting?

Second: what effect do catless DPs have on the o2 sensors? I know most will throw a cel without the corrections made in your tune to over ride the cel, but what else? I assume the sensors still function correctly, just outside of their normal limits correct?

At 13k mi you SHOULDNT be having any issues with sensors, cats aren't an issue because you don't have them any more, and although EGR could effect mpg and/or mpg readings, you should be 100k miles from issues there as well.
This leads me back to your o2 sensors, not that they're bad, just that they haven't been told to look for new limits yet, so your computer thinks they're running extra rich = poor mpg. If this is the case, your actual mpg (miles driven divided by gallons used) should be much higher than your calculated mpg.

As an example, when I bypassed the EGR on my mazda, the EGR valve was taking in fresh air instead of exhaust, so as I hit cruising speed and the ECU leaned out the mix by adding EGR catalyst and advancing timing, it thought I was getting much better mpg than I really was due to higher o2 sensor readings than the ECU expects. It says I'm getting 36mpg when I'm only getting 24. The opposite of your problem.
Has LMS incorporated your downpipes into your tune?


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ZSHO

I have an appt at the dealer soon,will have a few issues to look at,a while back went to my local target store and had some stp octane booster on clearance,bought about 20 bottles,2.00 dollars ea,after adding a bottle here and there,no where in the bottle did say safe for 02 sensors,maybe could of contributed to the low mpg.


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JimiJak

In the mean time you can fill up w gas and reset your trip meter. Next time you fill up, see how many miles you've driven and divide. That'll at least clue you in to your actual fuel mileage.


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JimiJak

Maybe someone else can chime in to what exactly the changes are to the o2 sensors from the tune once the DPs are accounted for.


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IHeartGroceries

There aren't any changes to the 02S. They only physical change that is typical after a DP install is an anti fouler. But, haven't seen anybody here using them.
As far as the changes in the tuning, it should just be a set of closed loop fuel tables. But, it seems highly unlikely that they were ignored/overlooked so grossly when the tune was mailed out.
The upstream 02S plays little to no role in the ECUs FI factoring, in open loop operation.

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kinder

In city only, over the past month I am averaging 18l/100 (13.9mpg) :(

Maybe I should get it looked at.
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