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2012+ timing job
« on: January 16, 2019, 10:15:56 AM »
We have a 2014 explorer sport with the 3.5EB.  Itís throwing the p0016 as well as start up rattle.  Curiously the code came well before the rattle.  Anyways sounds like this is the much maligned timing chain job...  this should have the newer style chains from the factory and has just under 100k.  How common is this issue on the newer parts?

Iíve done a ton of reading and find some of the nuanced differences between years and models interesting.  Is there anything I need to watch out for on this 2014?  Best I can tell itís the same architecture as the other car based engines and not the same as the f150s. 


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Re: 2012+ timing job
« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2019, 10:21:44 AM »
I am getting the start up rattle when cold for about 5 seconds, no trouble codes... car runs fantastic otherwise.

When I disconnect the VVT solenoid electrical connector the rattle is not occurring.

Do these solenoids go bad?
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Re: 2012+ timing job
« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2019, 04:40:15 PM »
Sometimes, yes, not often.  IDK if damage is already done to the timing chains, the rattle will grow worse.  Track advance errors on the solenoids, they should be well under 5%, preferably close to 0.  Sudden changes in load/speed are most challenging to implement quickly.  While electronics can respond, their effectiveness is limited by physical element design.
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If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

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Re: 2012+ timing job
« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2019, 05:33:23 PM »

Good article below on the
The 3.5L V6 (base) engine in the PI sedan use Twin independent Variable Cam Timing, Ti-VCT. That means all four cams are separately controlled by cam phasers and phase solenoids. (The four cams are one intake cam and one exhaust cam for both banks of the V6.) Ti-VCT, or variable valve timing, means each cam can be individually advanced or retarded (with respect to the crank and pistons) to produce the best power and the best fuel economy. Z

https://www.hendonpub.com/police_fleet_manager/articles/2012/1112/ford_nextgen_police_interceptor_tech_training_part



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Re: 2012+ timing job
« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2019, 06:14:40 PM »
still the internal water pump tho, right?
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