Motor oil tests

[ZSHO]

I started to change my own oil at about 6,ooo mi,prior to that had 2 oil changes by the dealer.I started using Amsoil signature series oil,they claim 25k or 15k for extreme conditions,i also signed up for 10% discount for 20.00 a year.At 6,000 mi used amsoil with mc fl500s oil filter due to warranty,the changed again at 9,400 the oil was black,i couldn't believe it,mostly cold weather driving,imagine if it were summer,I feel more secure doing it myself,cause I know what I am putting in there,not like the majority of lube and dealers have an oil pump,pumping oil in your car like gas.

[SHOdded]

Shoboat, interested in how it works out for you.  Do you plan on a Blackstone analysis?

ZSHO, all good points.  I WOULD say that oils change color over time, and I have heard that different oils change differently in that respect.  Still, an oil analysis would be required to tell you how much life the oil has left in it.

[ShoBoat]

Ok quick question, what's this about the FMC oil filter and warranty? Are they going to void my warranty because I a using the Amsoil filter?

[BiGMaC]

Ok quick question, what's this about the FMC oil filter and warranty? Are they going to void my warranty because I a using the Amsoil filter?

I'd doubt it... At least with Rotal Purple, it's an option at my dealer.  With it's high ratings I don't see why it or Amsoil would be a warranty issue if the dealer changed it at Ford recommended intervals or less since they meet recommended specs.  In any event a Blackstone analysis on the oil in the event of a failure ... Given appropriate changes... Should tell the tale.

[SHOdded]

Whatever you use should state that it meets the specs listed in your owner's manual.  Free hand otherwise.

[ShoBoat]

Cool, thanks Guys

[ShoBoat]

So I did the oil change, and I was really surprised at the state of the oil. I have a sample I will try to get tested and see what is up. All I know is that after only 2500km on this oil it didn't look so good. Black as night, I have the Amsoil Signature Series 5-30 and their filter. Will keep you guys posted on how it fairs in a few weeks.

[jcl78]

I wouldn't worry too much about the color of the old oil, and just worry about the OCI. From my research across Ecoboost F150's SHO's and MKS's, 5K OCI's are where you want to be. After reading numerous Blackstone reports from 3.5L Ecoboost vehicles at 5K, the oil additives are still there, and people are seeing good wear numbers, but Blackstone recommended not going too much over 5K. At 3K, they said it was beyond overkill, and to extend out to 5K. More than that, I am not so sure.  I have changed my oil twice, on a 5K OCI, and I am now running Pennzoil Platinum 5W 30, but with the Motorcraft FL-500 filter. I do believe on these Ecoboost engines, the FL-500 is the best filter, not only due to the bypass valve PSI, but they are well constructed and only $6. Some folks were hearing more startup noise with other oil filters, even at the same relief valve PSI.

[glock-coma]

Some folks were hearing more startup noise with other oil filters, even at the same relief valve PSI.

I always used the top tier fram  oil filters  until I heard all other high praise about motorcraft. 
I recently changed to motorcraft , NOW I hear some noise at startup where I never heard it before.

2010 RCM non PP
K&N panel filter
sp534 @ 30
unleashed 93 performance+boost
more to come.....

[ShoBoat]

Interesting, I will keep an ear out for any change in start up noise!


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[jcl78]

Yeah, not sure about the validity of the startup noise discussion, I know these EB engines are fairly noisy anyway with the high pressure injectors, and normal valvetrain noise. I know the cam phasers have to adjust on cold startup and that is a sound some people find disconcerting. Coming from a few diesels, I find it quiet .

[SHODYOU]

Does Fram even make anything to be considered "top tier"

From my understanding Fram is terrible and not to be trusted.
A few youtube vids of people cutting open filters was all it took.

[ShoBoat]

So I had a chance to drive around today, I dunno it maybe placebo effect but the engine feels smoother and a bit stronger. No increase in startup noise. The Amsoil filter is a 20 micron filter at 99.7% efficiency so it should help keep the oil cleaner. I cut apart my FMC filter apart, I'll post pics. I wasn't impressed on 2 things. The first it seemed to have excess epoxy around the filter that was flaking off. 2nd It just didn't seem to be well put together. Maybe just this one. I will post pics.

[SHODYOU]

Motorcraft filters have been known to be fantastic, esp the S designated ones, which have a silicone drain back valve.
They are made by Purolater to Ford specs, but its more/less a Purolater PureOne.

http://www.purolatorautofilters.net/products/oil_filters/Pages/pureoneoilfilters.aspx

99.9% efficient

[SwampRat]

Does Fram even make anything to be considered "top tier"

From my understanding Fram is terrible and not to be trusted.
A few youtube vids of people cutting open filters was all it took.

Comparable to the any other love it or hate it  issue wth parts , vendors  ; service's etc .
Most of which are based on brand  loyalty , conjecture and opinions .
It doesn't matter what brand you buy , someone somewhere is going to have Problems .
Show me a 0% defect free product , no such animal ......


Fram makes several Top Tier oil filters that I have used for many years and with many vehicles with 0 problems .

My current favorite Top Tier Fram is   ....  http://www.fram.com/oil-filters/fram-ultra-synthetic-oil-filter.aspx?altTemplate=mobileproduct