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Started by RubyRed2014SHO, April 22, 2014, 01:46:28 PM

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RubyRed2014SHO

April 22, 2014, 01:46:28 PM
Does anyone know the benefits of installing a 3 bar map sensor from Torrie and can you use an email tune with it? I already have K&N CAI, plugs and X4. Looking to purchase the 3 bar map sensor and down pipes from Stage 3 Motorsports.

BiGMaC

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April 22, 2014, 02:20:35 PM
Regardless of tuner chosen.... both major tuners have adjustments for the 3BAR MAP that they can just send/download to you... if they didn't your car might not even start.  BTW SW was correct... the $85 RockAuto is turning out to be the correct Ford part, so you can save a $40-$50 ordering it there....

Benefits are:.... 2BAR cannot read or communicate boost above about 14.5psi to the ECU.  3BAR can communicate up to about 29psi.  Your stock turbos probably are incapable of boost over 17psi, but may folks are frequently seeing 16 psi.   The tune is about letting the ECU deal with the information (higher boost) so it is translated into more power, instead of malfunction/DTCs/CELs and wrench lights.

I LOVE my 3BAR tune.... It is a step up from any tune without it...  Why run your turbos to just pump the pressure out the waste gate!?

BTW... try your car with and without the K&N... many... 4DR, bamsho, and others have actually had a reproducible degradation of quarter mile times with the AM CAIs that is fixed in back to back runs, by reverting to stock.   Check out the downpipes thread I put up for more info on this.

•2013 Taurus SHO nonPP - All Ford factory options, 3BAR MAP, LMS v8 tune (mods for 3BAR, DPs, and T-stat), Paint & plastic correction, CQuart finest all exterior surfaces, limo black window tint,VLED Triton switchbacks, Daytime BrightLites switchback DRLs, full interior and exterior LED conversion, Lamin-X charcoal blackout tail lights and reflectors, PPE catted and coated downpipes, EBPP coated hotpipes with BoVs VTA, MDesign CAI
•2013 F250 CC Lariat 6.7EB Diesel -stock

RubyRed2014SHO

#2
April 22, 2014, 02:24:18 PM
Thanks BiGMaC. Will definitely look into getting a sensor then!

ZSHO

#3
April 22, 2014, 03:39:17 PM
A little off topic here,for ruby red 14 member,dont take advise from me but you mentioned stage 3 dpipes,catted which I also have on my 13 sho,long story short the throw codes+had to pay extra money for install cause 02 sensors do not line up properly had to do custom work hole is on wrong side.any questions email me


2013 Performance Package SHO| Livernois Custom Methanol Tune|3-Bar Map|Reische-170-Stat|Full Race Tial-10psi BOV in Black|PPE-Gloss Black Hot Pipes|EPP Dual Intake in Gloss Black|PPE Catted DP|Corsa Sport Cat Back Exhaust|H&R Sport-Springs|CFM Performance Billet Valve Cover Breather In Gloss Black|Llumar 20%Ceramic window Tint|MSD Ignition Coils in Black|Extreme Roof Spoiler|Redline Fluids all around|Gearhead Intercooler|First-SHO With Direct Port Alky-VP-M1-100%-Methanol Injection|LMS-Custom-Dyno-Tuned @ 415whp-465wtq| Best Trap Speed of 115.54 mph|

MeanKS

#4
April 22, 2014, 04:17:04 PM
so then, how good can a tune be without 3 bar mapping?

all of a sudden, it seems like many are almost saying 'whats the point w/o it?'  ???

I definitely want my car to be faster, but i also want it to be around for a while as my daily driver...
MKS-EB...

Livernois Motorsports

#5
April 22, 2014, 04:27:22 PM
Quote from: BiGMaC on April 22, 2014, 02:20:35 PM
Regardless of tuner chosen.... both major tuners have adjustments for the 3BAR MAP that they can just send/download to you... if they didn't your car might not even start.  BTW SW was correct... the $85 RockAuto is turning out to be the correct Ford part, so you can save a $40-$50 ordering it there....

Benefits are:.... 2BAR cannot read or communicate boost above about 14.5psi to the ECU.  3BAR can communicate up to about 29psi.  Your stock turbos probably are incapable of boost over 17psi, but may folks are frequently seeing 16 psi.   The tune is about letting the ECU deal with the information (higher boost) so it is translated into more power, instead of malfunction/DTCs/CELs and wrench lights.

I LOVE my 3BAR tune.... It is a step up from any tune without it...  Why run your turbos to just pump the pressure out the waste gate!?

BTW... try your car with and without the K&N... many... 4DR, bamsho, and others have actually had a reproducible degradation of quarter mile times with the AM CAIs that is fixed in back to back runs, by reverting to stock.   Check out the downpipes thread I put up for more info on this.


BigMac is correct on this.

To run a 3bar you need to have a custom file written for it or it will not run correctly. 

BiGMaC

#6
April 22, 2014, 05:13:44 PM
Quote from: DRII on April 22, 2014, 04:17:04 PM
so then, how good can a tune be without 3 bar mapping?

all of a sudden, it seems like many are almost saying 'whats the point w/o it?'  ???

I definitely want my car to be faster, but i also want it to be around for a while as my daily driver...

Anything you do to improve performance will cause some degree of faster engine wear.... LMS will err on the conservative side historically... does not mean a sacrifice of performance.... unaware of any engine failures  and some members have been tuned for 40K-50K miles.

•2013 Taurus SHO nonPP - All Ford factory options, 3BAR MAP, LMS v8 tune (mods for 3BAR, DPs, and T-stat), Paint & plastic correction, CQuart finest all exterior surfaces, limo black window tint,VLED Triton switchbacks, Daytime BrightLites switchback DRLs, full interior and exterior LED conversion, Lamin-X charcoal blackout tail lights and reflectors, PPE catted and coated downpipes, EBPP coated hotpipes with BoVs VTA, MDesign CAI
•2013 F250 CC Lariat 6.7EB Diesel -stock

RubyRed2014SHO

#7
April 22, 2014, 05:23:08 PM
I definitely appreciate the info guys. Will definitely look at Livernois down pipes if you had that many issues with Stage 3 zamirlihari.

SHOdded

#8
April 22, 2014, 05:48:43 PM
Whereabouts are you located, RubyRed?  Might be able to save on shipping if close to either Michigan or Texas.  To my knowledge, the top 2 downpipes that pass emissions are from PPE (http://shop.ecoboostpowerparts.com/Ford-Flex-SHO-Lincoln-MKT-MKS-25-Pipe-w-cats-PPESHOCats.htm) and LMS (http://www.livernoismotorsports.com/products/Livernois-Motorsports-EcoBoost-SHO%7B47%7DMKS-Downpipe-%28Catted%7B47%7DOff%252dRoad%29.html).  Many happy customers for each.
2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

RubyRed2014SHO

#9
April 22, 2014, 06:08:35 PM
Well I live in the Tampa Bay area but I'm on assignment for work in Nebraska. I will have the car up here with me next week. I will actually be visiting friends in Louisiana in the near future. Where in Texas?

SHOdded

#10
April 22, 2014, 06:22:36 PM
Oops, I should have said AZ.  PPE's facilities are in Tempe, AZ.  https://www.ppeengineering-onlinestore.com/contactus.sc
2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

BiGMaC

#11
April 22, 2014, 06:53:39 PM
Quote from: SHOdded on April 22, 2014, 06:22:36 PM
Oops, I should have said AZ.  PPE's facilities are in Tempe, AZ.  https://www.ppeengineering-onlinestore.com/contactus.sc

Very familiar with it... and memorized the drive from there to Black Market Racing for dynos! 

•2013 Taurus SHO nonPP - All Ford factory options, 3BAR MAP, LMS v8 tune (mods for 3BAR, DPs, and T-stat), Paint & plastic correction, CQuart finest all exterior surfaces, limo black window tint,VLED Triton switchbacks, Daytime BrightLites switchback DRLs, full interior and exterior LED conversion, Lamin-X charcoal blackout tail lights and reflectors, PPE catted and coated downpipes, EBPP coated hotpipes with BoVs VTA, MDesign CAI
•2013 F250 CC Lariat 6.7EB Diesel -stock

REDSHOCGO

#12
April 22, 2014, 07:03:28 PM
Quote from: RubyRed2014SHO on April 22, 2014, 01:46:28 PM
Does anyone know the benefits of installing a 3 bar map sensor from Torrie and can you use an email tune with it? I already have K&N CAI, plugs and X4. Looking to purchase the 3 bar map sensor and down pipes from Stage 3 Motorsports.
thread can be found here http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php?topic=2558.msg37982#msg37982
2010 Red Candy Sho 402a option non/pp w/unleashed tune,3 bar map, k & N CAI, Corsa catback exhaust, tints 35% front 20% back vta conversion,plastidipped front grill (matteblack), Curva Concept C7 wheels w/20" toyo proxes +4 and Sony Xperia z running torque pro
2011 Sonata 2.0T Limited tinted
2007 Pontiac G6 GTP cpe w/crab intake,Led sequential taillights, custom exhaust(now gone)
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