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Started by explorergotoluvit, April 09, 2014, 02:28:42 AM

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SwampRat

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Quote from: explorergotoluvit on April 10, 2014, 12:28:09 AM
spark plugs should i replace them?  starting to learn a lot about the ecoboost in this forum thanks to you all

Since you have a 13 it should have Motorcraft  SP534 installed , at the very least check the gap and set them at .030 or you could use NGK iridium or Denso plugs . I use the NGK .
2013 SHO  ....  not mine anymore

2021 Edge ST

Needmoreboost

Quote from: SwampRat on April 10, 2014, 02:12:01 AM
Quote from: explorergotoluvit on April 10, 2014, 12:28:09 AM
spark plugs should i replace them?  starting to learn a lot about the ecoboost in this forum thanks to you all

Since you have a 13 it should have Motorcraft  SP534 installed , at the very least check the gap and set them at .030 or you could use NGK iridium or Denso plugs . I use the NGK .
I have an early model 2013.  The updated plugs and .030 gap was not in mine.  Must do thing.  ;)
2014 Mustang GT/CS: white
Auto with custom Unleashed Tuning
Past honorable mentions: 13 SHO, 08 SRT4, 07 350Z, 03 Cobra, 03 Focus SVT, 00 GT Mustang, 91 LX Notch, etc.

ZSHO

I have a 2013 pp the manuel says mcsp528,i guess they were revised to sp534 which is the same part#,i purchased both for comparison.


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Needmoreboost

Just for clarification the sp534 motorcraft plug is made by NGK.  3.99 versus 12.99  :0
2014 Mustang GT/CS: white
Auto with custom Unleashed Tuning
Past honorable mentions: 13 SHO, 08 SRT4, 07 350Z, 03 Cobra, 03 Focus SVT, 00 GT Mustang, 91 LX Notch, etc.

SwampRat

Quote from: Needmoreboost on April 10, 2014, 09:38:23 AM
Just for clarification the sp534 motorcraft plug is made by NGK.  3.99 versus 12.99  :0

Made by NGK  .. but not the same plug . I paid around $8.00 each with shipping .
2013 SHO  ....  not mine anymore

2021 Edge ST

JimiJak

Quote from: explorergotoluvit on April 10, 2014, 12:28:09 AM
spark plugs should i replace them?  starting to learn a lot about the ecoboost in this forum thanks to you all

Finally a topic I can chime in on; since I'm new to the whole forced induction thing too. But plugs is a universal performance-engine issue.

For those who stay stock, replacing the plugs to "upgrade" is not necessary until the maintenance schedule dictates it. However, in performance engines it's a must.

I see your an LMS guy, but I'm not sure which tune you're running. Might want to add that to your sig line.
If you're running a tune that requires you to use a higher octane fuel you should step down to a colder plug. But good news...there's a reason!

When fuel is refined further it becomes more concentrated and potent as it becomes more potent the octane rating goes up (just like booze) and with that also comes a raise in flash point, meaning it takes more heat to ignite the fuel. The reason you want a higher flash point is: as you increase the performance of your engine, by cramming more air and fuel into your cylinders, you're increasing the compression. As the gas mixture is compressed it gets hot, more compression means higher temps. If the plug itself is hot enough, this aids in raising the temp in the cylinder which is now acting as a glow plug, and the gas mixture detonates before the actual spark is delivered. This pre-detonation is known as spark-knock, and is a BAD THING.

What makes a plug actually hotter or colder? The amount of ceramic around the center electrode. The ceramic acts as a heat sink, so the more ceramic, the colder the plug, the less ceramic the hotter the plug and the more deposits it burns off.

As far as upgrades go: Due to marketing, there are a lot of misnomers out there about what a plug upgrade gets you, and why. The application of high value metals used in plugs such as platinum, gold, silver, and noble metals such as iridium, magnesium, etc. were adopted for their high melting point and heat resistance, and has nothing to do with conductivity. Their ability to withstand high temps means they can make the center electrode much smaller and with sharper edges. By being smaller, they collect less deposits.
Firestone actually tried marketing polonium tipped plugs at one point under the questionable theory that the radioactivity would ionize the air within the gap, enhancing spark formation. Yay capitalism!

Decreasing the gap is also important. I've a heard a good rule of thumb (for v8's anyway) is to decrease the gap 0.004" per 50hp added when increasing performance. Seems like most guys are running 0.030" in the 3.5L TT EB.
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mjlkwolfe@gmail.com

Hi All
when I look up the map for a 2011 F150 with the ecoboost engine I get Motorcraft #CX2401  at rock auto
Isn't the F150 w/ECO boost engine map sensor the 3 bar sensor?
Looking for the correct part number for the 3 bar map sensor
So which is it?

BiGMaC

Quote from: mjlkwolfe@gmail.com on April 26, 2014, 10:37:40 AM
Hi All
when I look up the map for a 2011 F150 with the ecoboost engine I get Motorcraft #CX2401  at rock auto
Isn't the F150 w/ECO boost engine map sensor the 3 bar sensor?
Looking for the correct part number for the 3 bar map sensor
So which is it?

Not sure what vehicle you want it for.... here's a link that may help:
http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php?topic=2521.msg38758#msg38758

Folks ordering from RockAuto are getting the OEM 3BAR MAP

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•2013 F250 CC Lariat 6.7EB Diesel -stock

SHOdded

Cx2231 appears to be the 3 bar sensor, the cx2401 is too cheap.  I was looking up F150 EB map sensors.  I would talk to LMS or Unleashed To confirm though.
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If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!