Full hard pipe CAI from FastLaneTurbo 3.5 EB

[SHOdded]

A while back, we were looking at upgrading the HPFP.  Is the part the same 'tween Gen 4.1 and 4.2?

[FoMoCoSHO]

A while back, we were looking at upgrading the HPFP.  Is the part the same 'tween Gen 4.1 and 4.2?

Yes.

The LPFP is different between the gens, 4.2 has 10 more PSI and is variable flow.

The HPFP is also capable of 2900 PSI.

[FoMoCoSHO]

Back to CAI's....

I know everyone hates the stock setup appearance wise and I think many of us assume that the ridged piping is bad for performance. The fact of the matter is that all those ridges may induce some sort of tumble or venturi effect that is actually beneficial. I think the available data points to this and the engineers knowing something we don't.

I have zero doubt that as of right now the best performing intake setup is OEM, the engineers did a great job IMHO.

[SwampRat]

Well ...... Not sure where to start

I spoke with Mike at Fastlane ... the signals are getting crossed somewhere .
When 68_GT was at Fastlane last Sat. He was talking with Mike and Nick there .
This is from my conversation with Mike a short time ago .There have been NO SHO'S at Fastlane tuned for or running E85 blended or otherwise . No one there has modified the injectors on a SHO .
I'm not sure of there knowledge of the intricacies of the complex fuel system of this platform .

They have other vehicles there that these things have been done too . 

The only turbo upgrades they have done on  a 3.5 EB are an F150 .

The SHO with the CIA Will be tuned and Dynoed thur or fri. and they have no plans to Modify the CAI any further  than what you see in the latest posted pics ..... so I guess the decision with purchasing lays with whomever is considering to do so .

[FoMoCoSHO]

After some further "research" those flutes in the the intake tube pressurize, then accelerate the air as it exits them.....this is necessary for the speed density system.

This may explain why the "smooth" approach isn't working so well for CAI's

[68_GT]

I didn't say they said they could lol

We had a conversation about E85 and  after I told them I'd love to but,,,,, the fuel upgrades don't exist to support it they then mentioned that they knew of a guy that modified his injectors on a Mazda to support more capacity.

Sorry you got all excited if that's what you got my my previous post i bet you were all in for Fastlane and some E85 but you premature speculated on that one lol

[SwampRat]

After some further "research" those flutes in the the intake tube pressurize, then accelerate the air as it exits them.....this is necessary for the speed density system.

This may explain why the "smooth" approach isn't working so well for CAI's

Seems to work fairly well for bpd1151 ....

The results are not in .... lets see what we get with BigMac's SkunkWorks CAI and the testing that will show results .
I doubt if it's as good as I think it will be that he'll keep it to himself.

[SwampRat]

68_GT  you had quite a few others stirred up as well .
Any one that is deveolping for our platform deserves some attention , just showing others what  I was hoping was something worthwhile , who knows it MAY prove to be a worthy CAI ..... just not sure yet .

[BiGMaC]

After some further "research" those flutes in the the intake tube pressurize, then accelerate the air as it exits them.....this is necessary for the speed density system.

This may explain why the "smooth" approach isn't working so well for CAI's

Seems to work fairly well for bpd1151 ....

The results are not in .... lets see what we get with BigMac's SkunkWorks CAI and the testing that with result .
I doubt if it's as good as I think it will be that he'll keep it to himself.

Plant to share the info regardless of outcome... Community deserves to know.... A lot of CAIs out there and not much proven performance gains, if at all.   I do hope this one won't be eye candy only.... We'll just have to see.

[68_GT]

My bad but my SHO would still be there if they could set it up with 100% E85 and I definitely would have started a whole new post about it :)I'll have to re read my earlier post about it. Sorry guys !

[FoMoCoSHO]

After some further "research" those flutes in the the intake tube pressurize, then accelerate the air as it exits them.....this is necessary for the speed density system.

This may explain why the "smooth" approach isn't working so well for CAI's

Seems to work fairly well for bpd1151 ....

The results are not in .... lets see what we get with BigMac's SkunkWorks CAI and the testing that will show results .
I doubt if it's as good as I think it will be that he'll keep it to himself.

Hopefully BPD will chime in with any dyno testing they did with his setup.

His setup is also a bit more extensive than your run of the mill Airaid, or Typhoon variety of induction warmers.

There also may be something to be learned from the oem pipe arrangement that can be imitated and also made to look nice.

[kinder]

Injectors: There was a company that would modify (to run e85) Subaru injectors called Witchhunter Performance? Perhaps they now offer the same for other cars? I never cared ofr modded fuel stuff so just bought lager ones.

They dyno pulls on the CAI stuff is a lost cause unless we have $$ and time. To satisfy our curiosity we would need to do the following all in short order.

1) Stock pull. No tune
2) Stock pull. Tuned
3) Drop in filter. No tune
4) Drop in filter. Tune
5) CAI system of choice. No tune
6) CAI system of choice. Tune

Same for if you want to experiment with the 'snorkel.'

I don't see a lot of people doing this as an experiment. I do see companies/ shops doing this and misrepresenting numbers to sell their product though.

25hp from a filter on a civic.... yea, sure. 

[FracaSHO]

Injectors: There was a company that would modify (to run e85) Subaru injectors called Witchhunter Performance? Perhaps they now offer the same for other cars? I never cared ofr modded fuel stuff so just bought lager ones.

They dyno pulls on the CAI stuff is a lost cause unless we have $$ and time. To satisfy our curiosity we would need to do the following all in short order.

1) Stock pull. No tune
2) Stock pull. Tuned
3) Drop in filter. No tune
4) Drop in filter. Tune
5) CAI system of choice. No tune
6) CAI system of choice. Tune

I'd be happy to donate my SHO to get some results.


Brad
2010 SHO with PP
170* T-Stat
NGK LTR7IX plugs, gap at 0.030
BOV VTA
MyCal LMS Stage 4+
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[BiGMaC]

The dyno pulls on the CAI stuff is a lost cause unless we have $$ and time. To satisfy our curiosity we would need to do the following all in short order.

1) Stock pull. No tune
2) Stock pull. Tuned
3) Drop in filter. No tune
4) Drop in filter. Tune
5) CAI system of choice. No tune
6) CAI system of choice. Tune

Same for if you want to experiment with the 'snorkel.'

I don't see a lot of people doing this as an experiment. I do see companies/ shops doing this and misrepresenting numbers to sell their product though.

Kinder.... I have baseline stock pulls on my 2013 SHO in addition to below

I have stock BTB dyno pulls (9 total while helping PPE develop their downpipes) ..with the OEM set-up and with nothing  but the open end of the saxophone (no OEM, No filter).... All same day. No difference in HP or TQ in my '13 SHO.    This says to me that with stock tune the OEM intake and box are not a restriction. here is the link to the testing:
http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php?topic=2054.msg28591#msg28591

So I only need to compare tuned results of the same tests and dyno to prove what I suspect... the stock intake and filter provide all the air the engine can use no matter the tune.... dunno, but I will be doing that.
IF there is no difference when tuned between OEM and no intake tube /filter/box then I only need to test the tubing I replace (the saxophone) to get the answer for the turbo feed tubing change.

So I only need max 3 pulls in each of 3 circumstances to find out if the CAI being built for me adds performance.... probably only cost $300 or so....

No other testing planned because... I already know the Airaid and K&N Typhoon usually result in slower quarter miles from multiple track results testing from members, by .1-.2s ... including 4DR and bamsho, both of whom tested both on same car and same day.... for both times improved with replacing the OEM

I may try stock tune... but why?... if the OEM vs nothing numbers are the same as before with a tune. All done... and to be done at Black market Racing on their dyno with the same operator (jeremy) in all cases.

[SwampRat]

Evidently Fastlane has been selling there CAI for a few years now evidenced by the reviews on the web site and an actual install with pics and so so  reviews by ford flex.net forum members to include ecobrick bob .....
Almost three years ago .

http://www.fordflex.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=5651