Full hard pipe CAI from FastLaneTurbo 3.5 EB

[SRT82ECOBOOST]

First off this is a great piece of eye candy for when you pop open the hood. Might be worth the price of admission alone just for that.
Secondly, I thought someone did an initial baseline dyno test with the stock airbox/filter and then a second run with no airbox/filter and removed the tubing and only picked up 3 hp. If that was the case, I don't know how this is going to get you 20 hp over stock.

[SwampRat]

First off this is a great piece of eye candy for when you pop open the hood. Might be worth the price of admission alone just for that.
Secondly, I thought someone did an initial baseline dyno test with the stock airbox/filter and then a second run with no airbox/filter and removed the tubing and only picked up 3 hp. If that was the case, I don't know how this is going to get you 20 hp over stock.

This CAI completely eliminates the  saxaphone ( I call it snake pit ) plastic OEM intake tubing to the turbos  and replaces it with less restrictive freeflow aluminum inlet tubing without the unnecessary bends and turns .

[thatsmrgimp2u]

Well 10 of that  is from that 1 psi boost increase. That's why I'm wanting to see results on a tuned car, and before and after 1/4 times a while from now when they are available.

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[explorergotoluvit]

what is so different that it wont work with the xsport? it has the same layout doesn't it?

[BiGMaC]

First off this is a great piece of eye candy for when you pop open the hood. Might be worth the price of admission alone just for that.
Secondly, I thought someone did an initial baseline dyno test with the stock airbox/filter and then a second run with no airbox/filter and removed the tubing and only picked up 3 hp. If that was the case, I don't know how this is going to get you 20 hp over stock.

That was Mike and I who did the test on my car... '13 SHO stock tuning and DPs only (3 different sets).  ....and you're correct about the dyno numbers. 
All that says is that the restriction is after the stock air filter box on the intake.... Elimination of the saxophone/snake-pit, or whatever you want to call the tapering diameter plastic piping from the box to the turbos is the next step to check.... (sorry, nobody wants to disconnect and reconnect turbo inlet piping from the turbos on a hot engine)

However if the filter is exposed... It's not cold air... it's preheated engine compartment air. Can it get 20 HP... dunno, not my numbers... but I have doubts ...and Mike has dynos where some folks actually lost HP and speed with the most common CAIs out there. Most manufacturers claims were not from my year and model.  So let people build... I'm involved with one and I know at least 3 others are....... but we'll have to prove what we hope.

I will be tuning within the week.... both major tuners have tweaks for CAIs that have potential to change the findings.  I spoke with Mike today when we met at Black market Racing/Full Race about doing back to back dynos with LMS and Unleashed tunes on my car and also doing the same testing on the OEM intake, using both tunes, with and without the airbox to see if tuning has an effect. So this is another dimension... I think we are gonna get that done, may take a month or so to get dyno time (like 4-8 hours in one stretch) that we need since we plan to log a lot about what happens to the car beyond HP and TQ.

Beyond the top statement in this post, it's all speculation IMHO until I can dyno prove it on my ride. 

There are other completely valid reasons for getting a CAI... appearance, sound, etc.

Sorry about the long post...

[SHOdded]

Appreciate you laying down some hard data, Tom!

[bigmoneycloser]

is this going to work with the xsport?

SHO / MKS/ FLEX / MKT

XSport always being left out... ;(

[SHOdded]

Getting a test mule has been exceptionally difficult, plus Mike has been so busy with his wrestling commitments ...

[yowen]

Has the dual intake on the F-150 been dyno'd extensively? Because it seems like that should see similar gains to this design.

[SwampRat]

Some things on this:
If this is made it will fit ALL transverse V6 cars, the pre-turbo stuff is the same, it's just the IC piping that's different, that's why the hot pipes won't work.  Still working on sourcing one and having time to make one. If I were to do this I think the best case scenario would be to utilize at least the stock lower box for it's cold air scenario and either use the top box with the new piping to the turbo or a new top box that is sealed + new piping to the turbos.

The key for us would be to make the flow from the airbox to turbos cleaner and look better.  The problem is that both of my prototyping facilities I work with are behind the gun and getting busier due to me sending them too much work....

I can't speak  for the others here but asthetics is just as important as improved airflow to me .
I really don't want any plastic in a CAI of this caliber .... and I will buy one from someone .

[black99lightning]

I've looked at the pic some more... love the tubing changes...no more tapering "saxophone or nasty looking plastic, although I wonder why not 2 separate tubes from the box, 1 to each turbo. A great improvement I think.

IMHO... still believe a closed filter box is the way to keep underhood air (not cold) from entering.  The air should be drawn from outside the engine compartment via large bore closed tubing (piping like the pic) to have the coolest air possible.  Mike B and I discussed this development idea today over at Black Market Racing/Full Race... I think we may get going on the development again as soon as the cutouts are ready.

The only problem with putting a filter outside the engine compartment is moisture.  Some of us, like myself, deal with a lot of rain and standing water.

[BiGMaC]

I've looked at the pic some more... love the tubing changes...no more tapering "saxophone or nasty looking plastic, although I wonder why not 2 separate tubes from the box, 1 to each turbo. A great improvement I think.

IMHO... still believe a closed filter box is the way to keep underhood air (not cold) from entering.  The air should be drawn from outside the engine compartment via large bore closed tubing (piping like the pic) to have the coolest air possible.  Mike B and I discussed this development idea today over at Black Market Racing/Full Race... I think we may get going on the development again as soon as the cutouts are ready.

The only problem with putting a filter outside the engine compartment is moisture.  Some of us, like myself, deal with a lot of rain and standing water.

Interesting idea on placement... I do understand the moisture problems you express for sure.

I wasn't trying to say the filter box should be outside the engine compartment... sorry for the confusion.... I was trying to say that the air should be drawn from outside and any intake of engine compartment air should be blocked... similar to the OEM setup in concept if not in location.  This would be colder air than any intake where the filter is open to the engine compartment or relying on the hood to seal it.

[EcoPowerParts]

Just FYI if you buy an intake that pulls air from inside the engine compartment myself, EB Bob and others found that you lose .2 and 2MPH in the 1/4 mile.
The stock intake with a stock filter beat a $300 intake repeatedly at the track...
So pretty intake but you just lost 20HP.
Function > Form for me.

Cold Air Intakes Mythbusted

[BiGMaC]

Thanks Mike.... great little video.

Confirms the outside air idea... but it's apparently just to keep from losing power with these. It also confirms what our test on the dyno showed.  No significant change in HP between OEM and NO filter, and we did i it with the hood up and a big fan on the engine.  For me function is much more important....

It should start us all hunting the real intake restrictions.... the saxophone would be the next step.... Some we can't really change practically yet of course.  Any restriction is definitely behind the OEM filter box. 

We know OEM exhaust is a restriction from the downpipe dynos... It's why I want a cutout!... Once I can get the air out... maybe, just maybe... I can get more in.

[SHODYOU]

Not saying I disagree, but in the Mustang world the short ram air intakes make as much or more power than kits with filter over in the fender. Because once rolling the iat's are the same between both, its only in stop and go traffic where the cai does a better job.
I have tons of datalogs from the Mustang to prove it

Ford and GM both utilize open element filters inside the engine bay... the new Z28 and GT500 are both this way.