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Livernois Big Bore Package and Block Sleeve Upgrade

Started by SRT82ECOBOOST, March 15, 2014, 02:21:15 PM

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dmharvey79

I definitely wasn't 'flaming' them, just saying I wish we had the same level of interaction with them we did in the past. No doubt LMS is doing great things with our vehicles but I'm not prepared to claim that they walk on water or anything.

BiGMaC

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Quote from: SRT82ECOBOOST on March 15, 2014, 11:51:53 PM
The responses to this thread just are absolutely hard to comprehend. Flame the vendor for their use of Facebook, get mad because this forum was not a direct pipeline to their services offered and in the end do nothing more than to burn one of very few existing bridges to a bigger build on your vehicle.

Well... you tried  :beer2:

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SwampRat

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Quote from: SRT82ECOBOOST on March 15, 2014, 11:51:53 PM
The responses to this thread just are absolutely hard to comprehend. Flame the vendor for their use of Facebook, get mad because this forum was not a direct pipeline to their services offered and in the end do nothing more than to burn one of very few existing bridges to a bigger build on your vehicle.

Quote from: dmharvey79 on March 16, 2014, 12:12:33 AM
I definitely wasn't 'flaming' them, just saying I wish we had the same level of interaction with them we did in the past. No doubt LMS is doing great things with our vehicles but I'm not prepared to claim that they walk on water or anything.

Flame the vendor   .....   ?!?!   I suggest you  quit trying to read into these post's and interpreting the way you see fit .....  FACEBOOK has become a tool for many companies and that is a FACT .
2013 SHO  ....  not mine anymore

2021 Edge ST

panther427

Well then ill be missing out because i dont even a facebook account
2013 SHO

SHOdded

This thread needs to be re-focused.  Social media is an integral part of corporate marketing now.  Why the info is not on the website, call LMS and let them know how you feel.  Why they do not have "enough" presence on our forum?  Call them and let them know how you feel.  Our right as customers/potential customers.  Actually talking to someone can make things happen for the better, faster.

So, if we can talk about the benefits of what LMS is doing (which is what I believe was originally intended), THEN further discussion in this thread is warranted.  Let's talk engines and technology, people!
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If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

DJE624

Livernois has the rods and pistons now.  They look pretty beefy next to the stock versions.  I would love to be able to do them along with bigger turbos and a few more cubes.  Beats the heck out of meth in my book.

Livernois Motorsports

I just to clear up some of the confusion as to why we haven't posted this product on the site. As the Facebook post mentioned, it is in development, so we do not know where it will end up for a final price. We have had the shortblocks available for years, but just now are people pushing the envelope enough to need these options. We are finalizing all of the bits and pieces needed for the shortblocks to be able to finalize pricing and get them on the site. We have a good number of these in process now that some pro-active customers have decided to take these first steps into a new area of upgrades for these cars.

bigmoneycloser

Any idea what type if gains you are gonna pick up with something like this?


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Night Hawk

Quote from: Livernois Motorsports on March 28, 2014, 08:30:50 AM
I just to clear up some of the confusion as to why we haven't posted this product on the site. As the Facebook post mentioned, it is in development, so we do not know where it will end up for a final price. We have had the shortblocks available for years, but just now are people pushing the envelope enough to need these options. We are finalizing all of the bits and pieces needed for the shortblocks to be able to finalize pricing and get them on the site. We have a good number of these in process now that some pro-active customers have decided to take these first steps into a new area of upgrades for these cars.
Well when its time for my complete motor rebuild with turbo upgrade and dynotune, I think I'll be shipping the ride up to LMS! 
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68_GT

Quote from: bigmoneycloser on March 28, 2014, 09:41:39 AM
Any idea what type if gains you are gonna pick up with something like this?


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my guess if you leave everything else exactly the same and just swap in these larger pistons you might pick up 25crank hp but with them being forged you would have more ability to for a more aggressive tune and a lot more boost with out the fear of damaging a facory piston which is where you would have the larger benefit from this change.

all that being said I wonder how we can even make enough power with these cars to even need a upgraded piston ?  Do the upgraded turbos have enough ability to warrant needing forged pistons ? If so our cars could be monsters with forged pistons and a ton more boost. Then on to upgrading the transmission and PTU etc etc etc....

might have been cheaper to just start with a GTR to begin with :)
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yowen

I would think with a upgrade like this, to really push the envelope you'd be looking at more fuel and aftermarket turbo's. At which point an upgraded transmission/PTU sounds like a must-have to me (as you mentioned 68_GT).
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Livernois Motorsports

In regards to the question of whether or not upgraded rods and pistons are necessary for the 3.5L Ecoboost, here are a couple of photos of an engine that was sent to us for upgrading after suffering a failure. This was a rather high output engine with tune, turbos, etc. As the pictures show, there is a power limit to what the stock parts will handle before failure.

From examining the pistons, rings and bearings there are no signs of this failure being related to detonation or fuel. At power levels above 400WHP you start to get into a territory where the parts are near their outer limits, Beyond 450WHP you get into the territory where it's just a matter of when, not if, the stock rods and pistons will have a failure, because of this a piston and rod upgrade become practically a necessity in order to avoid eventual catastrophic engine failure. Again, while you could probably get away with running the stock bottom end near the 450WHP level, it's only a matter of time before the parts will catastrophically fail.

SHOdded

Being a neophyte, I feel uniquely qualified to ask this question:  Can we use parts from the F150 for these boosted power levels, or do we really need a package similar to what Livernois offers?  Any comparisons between the OEM F150 parts and the LMS upgraded parts for the transverse engine?  TIA!
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If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

crash712us


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SHODYOU

Yes, yes it is... esp cause I'll soon reach the 400whp area (hopefully) as meth is very very soon.
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