Reische 170° Performance Thermostat???

[SwampRat]

Ok LMS called back and said just throw in the 160 and no need for a retune..This is BULLSHIt if u ask me

Tell them your sending it back & tell them they Will give you Full Refund .
They did not send what YOU ordered .
Then order the real deal from 4DR.

[SHOdded]

Tell them your sending it back & tell them they Will give you Full Refund .
Then order the real deal from 4DR.

This.

[Livernois Motorsports]

Guys,

We are moving to a 160* for various reasons. #1 is as the factory is a 180, the step to 170 was only a minor change. As these cars are making more and more power it benefits them even more to have a cooler starting point. #2. We worked with a Tier 1 OEM supplier to develop this new thermostat to ensure the highest quality and performance available. We also wanted a thermostat that is a true direct replacement, many thermostats we sold in the past were not a true direct fit. While they worked in certain applications they sometimes needed unique gaskets, spacers, or other adapters to work properly. We want our customers to have a trouble free experience, and part of this is ensuring the items we sell can use OEM designed and approved gaskets. Imagine being on a road trip and having a "unique" gasket fail. Where do you get one from? With our new thermostats those application issues are gone, so now you could get a production gasket and be back on the road quickly.

I realize that is a rare possibility, but it's just an insight into why we make changes on product offerings. We are always looking for ways to improve our offerings, and better service our customer's needs. Pushing the envelope means developing new and better products. This is what we do every day, and what makes us unique. We are always finding new ways to make our offerings better than before, and this is just one of those items that we developed for that.

[bpd1151]

Tomc612.....

I may be interested in buying your 160 thermo off of 'ya.

I'm liking the idea of drop'n another 10 degrees over the 170 that I bought from Unleashed Tuning a few years back.

Thanks for the explanation LMS!

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[SwampRat]

Then why has Reische  dropped you as a vendor ?

They even say when operating in colder temps to switch back to the 180 t-stat because according to them sustained operating temps below 165 are harmfull to the engine .

It seems to me that a 160 t-stat would exacerbate this.

Double click the below info sheet image they sent to me and read the first paragraph.

http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a628/kbeck59/t-stat002_zps362d8114.png

I'm not  trying to bash Livernois , just trying to figure out the skinny on this.

[EcoPowerParts]

Then why has Reische  dropped you as a vendor ?

They even say when operating in colder temps to switch back to the 180 t-stat because according to them sustained operating temps below 165 are harmfull to the engine .

It seems to me that a 160 t-stat would exacerbate this.

Double click the below info sheet image they sent to me and read the first paragraph.

http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a628/kbeck59/t-stat002_zps362d8114.png

I'm not  trying to bash Livernois , just trying to figure out the skinny on this.

Everybody has their view on whether a thermostat is good or bad for an engine as far as changing it colder. It's all really personal preference on what you think is best, many don't believe in changing the thermostat at all.
Read up on the interwebs, tons of technical documentation for you to review on it.

[Tomc612]

Then why has Reische  dropped you as a vendor ?

They even say when operating in colder temps to switch back to the 180 t-stat because according to them sustained operating temps below 165 are harmfull to the engine .

It seems to me that a 160 t-stat would exacerbate this.

Double click the below info sheet image they sent to me and read the first paragraph.

http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a628/kbeck59/t-stat002_zps362d8114.png

I'm not  trying to bash Livernois , just trying to figure out the skinny on this.

Everybody has their view on whether a thermostat is good or bad for an engine as far as changing it colder. It's all really personal preference on what you think is best, many don't believe in changing the thermostat at all.
Read up on the interwebs, tons of technical documentation for you to review on it.

I just received  my updated files and I'm going to see how it works out .If it doesn't work for me in this cold weather I will put the stock one back in no biggie.I think I'll  benefit more with the 160 in the summer..

[BiGMaC]

I just received  my updated files and I'm going to see how it works out .If it doesn't work for me in this cold weather I will put the stock one back in no biggie.I think I'll  benefit more with the 160 in the summer..

I really cold weather you'll likely notice less heat output from your heater too since the water will be cooler when it goes to the radiator and to the heater coil.

[crash712us]

No issues with heat for me in sub zero weather, usually keep climate control at 78 degrees and if car for a while I have drop to 74 or it will roast me out.

[DJE624]

Then why has Reische  dropped you as a vendor ?
I'm not  trying to bash Livernois , just trying to figure out the skinny on this.

My take on the matter was that LMS had made the change.  Like I said before, I had heard this may be coming. 

That said, I have no plans to swap out my 170 Reische.  I'm comfortable on middle ground. 

[68_GT]

I had the Reische t-stat in my 98 Mustang with an 03 Cobra engine. When I put in the Reiche I immediately noticed a drop in the engine temp based on the OEM gauge. I'm not sure about engine wear but we all drive our cars before they're completely warmed up as does everyone else that drives a car period and I don't hear stories of worn out engine because of driving w/o a complete warm up ? Id assume better quality oil helps engine lubrication with a lower temp stat too. I only run Mobile 1 FS in my SHO. Lower coolant temps has to mean added performace. 160* sounds good to me especially down here in the south.

I guess there no need for tune adjustment in the fans if going from a 170-160 for max benefit ??

[jm@ReischePerf]

Hey guys Joel Miller from Reische here.  Let's make one thing absolutely clear, we still remain the only company that currently produces a low temp thermostat that is specifically designed for 3.5L EcoBoost transverse applications.  Tomc612: I'm very, very sorry but LMS pulled a fast one on you.  That thermostat is made for a hot-side application (not a true direct replacement at all), it will function but not as well as a proper cold-side thermostat.  I'm also going to disagree about the use of 160* thermostats for street use.  We chose 170* as the best overall compromise for all season use.  A 160* may cause problems in cooler weather depending on the tune programming, definitely wouldn't try it stock.

As far as special gaskets, only our Ford-50 unit (F150 EcoBoost) does not use the OEM o-ring but a (Stant 25282 or Gates 33619) comparable gasket which should be available at most auto parts suppliers.  Gaskets are included in our thermostat kits so I don't see why this would be an issue anyway.

I believe LMS has made these substitutions based primarily upon profit margin, our thermostats are modified by hand and not cheap.  I personally stand behind our products 100% and am willing to offer a lifetime warranty to the members of this forum who have purchased a genuine Reische product.  Thank you for your support and any of you are welcome to call us at 661-414-2116 with any questions or concerns.

[SwampRat]

Hey guys Joel Miller from Reische here.  Let's make one thing absolutely clear, we still remain the only company that currently produces a low temp thermostat that is specifically designed for 3.5L EcoBoost transverse applications.  Tomc612: I'm very, very sorry but LMS pulled a fast one on you.  That thermostat is made for a hot-side application, it will function but not as well as a proper cold-side thermostat.  I'm also going to disagree about the use of 160* thermostats for street use.  We chose 170* as the best overall compromise for all season use.  A 160* may cause problems in cooler weather depending on the tune programming, definitely wouldn't try it stock.

As far as special gaskets, only our Ford-50 unit (F150 EcoBoost) does not use the OEM o-ring but a (Stant 25282 or Gates 33619) comparable gasket which should be available at most auto parts suppliers.  Gaskets are included in our thermostat kits so I don't see why this would be an issue anyway.

I believe LMS has made these substitutions based primarily upon profit margin.  I personally stand behind our products 100% and am willing to offer a lifetime warranty to the members of this forum who have purchased a genuine Reische product.  Thank you for your support and any of you are welcome to call us at 661-414-2116 with any questions or concerns.

WOW ! !   Straight from the horses mouth , this may get interesting ....

I have used Reische in the past on a Roush Mustang that I had and that is why I bought from them again ...

[DJE624]

Thanks for your comments Jim.  I use a Reische 170 and like I said above, I feel very comfortable with it.  I did use the O-ring that came with it.  Not the stock gasket. 

[jm@ReischePerf]

Thanks for your comments Jim.  I use a Reische 170 and like I said above, I feel very comfortable with it.  I did use the O-ring that came with it.  Not the stock gasket.

Well in the case of the SHO they are the same thing.