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Started by Spenser281, January 02, 2014, 10:16:53 AM

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Spenser281

Need some help here.  I own a 2010 SHO non-pp (does have 20" pp wheels) with 50k miles on it.  I have a rotational noise that is correlated to vehicle speed.  Engine RPM, nor gear make any difference.  Neither does hitting the brakes soft, medium, or hard.  It mildly resembles a noise you would hear from a bad tire.  In other words, it's frequency correlates to something round that would have to be somewhat large(er) in diameter.  It resembles a bearing noise, but a half shaft or a wheel bearing, I would think, are small enough that at 65 MPH, that they would be spinning fast enough that I wouldn't be able to hear the frequency; it would just be a continuous noise.  Where as tires/wheels are large enough that they will spin slow enough at 65 MPH for me to hear the frequency of the noise.

I rotated the tires with no change at all as well as verified tire pressure.  It is noticeable at NEARLY all speeds.  Below 15, it isn't frequent enough to hear it.  Going around corners the noise itself gets louder, not more frequent.  Turning to the right SEEMS to make it the loudest.  If I had to try to locate the noise, I would say it is coming from the front of the car.  I can BARELY feel it in the steering wheel when going around corners, and even less so going straight.

As far as the loudness of the noise?  Not very.  If you have the stereo on at a nice, comfortable level where you can still easily carry on a conversation, you can't hear it going in a straight line.  Around a corner, you can. 

Lastly, I've owned this car since it had 37k miles on it.  I didn't notice it until about 2-3 months ago, which is about 2 months after I put Motorcraft front rotors and PFC pads on.

I'm sorry for the long post, but it's driving me nuts.  If you have any ideas, it would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Spenser

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Spenser281

Also, my brother-in-law's AWD 2008 Ford Edge does it too....If that helps at all.

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crash712us

Sounds like a left side wheel bearing, from your description.

2011 tuxedo black non pp, LMS stage 5, Corsa cat back, LMS down pipes, Airaid, Alky control meth injection, Megan Racing coil overs, EBC rotor&pads, Mobsteel grill, 2013 trans cooler. 403whp 417wtq 12.25 @ 110

SHOdded

Quote from: crash712us on January 02, 2014, 10:21:51 AM
Sounds like a left side wheel bearing, from your description.
Ditto.  Turning to right would be left wheel bearing, and vice versa.
2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

shoman04

Sorry to hear that Spenser. But you and I are having the same problem. Your car sound like your problem is more advance than my car. I have 60kmi, I have PowerStop brakes and rotors(check good), It started 3 weeks ago, The sound is not as loud as your, It only in a straight line at 45mph and up to 65mph and goes away or the frequency get to hi to hear. I was going to dealer tomorrow. ANYBODY HELP!!!!!
2011 KONA BLU SHO,Livernois Tune,AIRAID CAI,DYNOMAX MUFFLEs,Newest member of the 12sec CLUB 12.669sec @ 107mph    2011 Ford Taurus SHO: 12.669 @ 105.050 MPH NEW FOR 2013LMS down-pipe,Magnaflow X-pipe,and Custom 2.5"exhaust pipe!! Meth and stage 5 next to be install!!!!!! METH DYNO TUNE today 405AWHP!!!WOW LMS track day 12.4209sec   :mike1:

SHOdded

2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

IHeartGroceries

Sure does sound like a wheel bearing...

Though, complications with the PTU seem possible as well.
I'm pretty ignorant around here still, but I have seen quite a bit of evidence to suggest the rather paltry amount of gear oil quantity in the PTU may contribute to premature degradation/break down of the fluid. Is it common practice around here to swap some fresh lube in fairly frequently, as a preventative maintenance?
From the photos here of the sludge found in some owners' PTUs, I would be surprised if they were making some noises!

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n8rfastback

I have this issue as well on my 2010. Only can hear it and feel it in the pedals barely when at interstate speed in a sweeping right turn. Goes away almost entirely in a left turn.
2010 SHO

glock-coma

#8
Quote from: shoman04 on January 02, 2014, 10:41:43 AM
Sorry to hear that Spenser. But you and I are having the same problem. Your car sound like your problem is more advance than my car. I have 60kmi, I have PowerStop brakes and rotors(check good), It started 3 weeks ago, The sound is not as loud as your, It only in a straight line at 45mph and up to 65mph and goes away or the frequency get to hi to hear. I was going to dealer tomorrow. ANYBODY HELP!!!!!

I had a similar problem to this.
Pulsing vibration would start around 55mph and almost go completely away around 70mph.
It ended up being the RDU , or rear drive unit. There are no serviceable parts in the unit,
it must be replaced as a whole assembly. Hope this helps.
2010 red candy metallic non PP 402B
AJPTURBO 2 BAR Tune Stock 14.1@100.3 / Tuned 12.83@107.7
K&N panel, RX OCC, Sp-534 @.30 Tint 50%F-35%R BOV bypass
1997 SHO silver frost (sold)
1990 SHO triple black 5-speed (saved my life)

n8rfastback

What the hell is an RDU? Did it vary with turning at high speed at all?  I also have a squeak coming from somewhere, and my rear left wheel hub is harder to turn by hand than all the others
2010 SHO

IHeartGroceries

Sounds very similar to an issue found in nearly all Mazdaspeed6s -  the rear differential in those cars makes a harmonic drone noise, present from about 55 to 70 mph. AFAIK, there was never an official fix from Mazda. Mine always did it. It appears normal for the unit, in retrospect. However, ride height and tire sidewall height made a difference, and it'd come and go, between my tire, wheel and suspension choices and upgrades.

The noise would silent completely, with the rear coupling completely disengaged, which could be done by lifting the e-brake a click or two, and activating the e-brake switch.

ANYWAY...Just something to think about. Apples to oranges, maybe...

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BiGMaC

Quote from: n8rfastback on January 02, 2014, 07:10:06 PM
What the hell is an RDU? Did it vary with turning at high speed at all?  I also have a squeak coming from somewhere, and my rear left wheel hub is harder to turn by hand than all the others

Probably because the Rear Drive Unit (not the PTU) is acting up ... or vice-versa.  My car does not make any of the noises you speak about.

•2013 Taurus SHO nonPP - All Ford factory options, 3BAR MAP, LMS v8 tune (mods for 3BAR, DPs, and T-stat), Paint & plastic correction, CQuart finest all exterior surfaces, limo black window tint,VLED Triton switchbacks, Daytime BrightLites switchback DRLs, full interior and exterior LED conversion, Lamin-X charcoal blackout tail lights and reflectors, PPE catted and coated downpipes, EBPP coated hotpipes with BoVs VTA, MDesign CAI
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n8rfastback

Mine has been doing it for about 20k now, not getting any worse that I can tell.
2010 SHO

shoman04

#13
Quote from: glock-coma on January 02, 2014, 06:53:08 PM
Quote from: shoman04 on January 02, 2014, 10:41:43 AM
Sorry to hear that Spenser. But you and I are having the same problem. Your car sound like your problem is more advance than my car. I have 60kmi, I have PowerStop brakes and rotors(check good), It started 3 weeks ago, The sound is not as loud as your, It only in a straight line at 45mph and up to 65mph and goes away or the frequency get to hi to hear. I was going to dealer tomorrow. ANYBODY HELP!!!!!

I had a similar problem to this.
Pulsing vibration would start around 55mph and almost go completely away around 70mph.
It ended up being the RDU , or rear drive unit. There are no serviceable parts in the unit,
it must be replaced as a whole assembly. Hope this helps.
What was the price on replacing RDU?
My noise sound like it coming from the  front right tire.
2011 KONA BLU SHO,Livernois Tune,AIRAID CAI,DYNOMAX MUFFLEs,Newest member of the 12sec CLUB 12.669sec @ 107mph    2011 Ford Taurus SHO: 12.669 @ 105.050 MPH NEW FOR 2013LMS down-pipe,Magnaflow X-pipe,and Custom 2.5"exhaust pipe!! Meth and stage 5 next to be install!!!!!! METH DYNO TUNE today 405AWHP!!!WOW LMS track day 12.4209sec   :mike1:

glock-coma

Quote from: shoman04 on January 02, 2014, 10:39:12 PM
Quote from: glock-coma on January 02, 2014, 06:53:08 PM
Quote from: shoman04 on January 02, 2014, 10:41:43 AM
Sorry to hear that Spenser. But you and I are having the same problem. Your car sound like your problem is more advance than my car. I have 60kmi, I have PowerStop brakes and rotors(check good), It started 3 weeks ago, The sound is not as loud as your, It only in a straight line at 45mph and up to 65mph and goes away or the frequency get to hi to hear. I was going to dealer tomorrow. ANYBODY HELP!!!!!

I had a similar problem to this.
Pulsing vibration would start around 55mph and almost go completely away around 70mph.
It ended up being the RDU , or rear drive unit. There are no serviceable parts in the unit,
it must be replaced as a whole assembly. Hope this helps.
What was the price on replacing RDU?
My noise sound like it coming from the  front right tire.

My noise wasn't really directional, but it seem to come from the middle of the floor.
The RDU was replaced under the 3 year -36,000 mile warranty so I don't have a price.
But ford had my car for 63 days troubleshooting the vibration.
2010 red candy metallic non PP 402B
AJPTURBO 2 BAR Tune Stock 14.1@100.3 / Tuned 12.83@107.7
K&N panel, RX OCC, Sp-534 @.30 Tint 50%F-35%R BOV bypass
1997 SHO silver frost (sold)
1990 SHO triple black 5-speed (saved my life)