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Started by Mikesb, December 31, 2013, 11:13:30 PM

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BiGMaC

Re: the Stainless Works ThermalCoat option...

I wonder if the thermal coating could decrease heat saturation in a metal CAI tube... and if that would be enough to make a difference in performance. 

I also wonder how long it takes to cool off once it is heat saturated, which it will be eventually, regardless of application, because at this point at least some of the benefit is lost, especially with the relatively sealed engine compartment in the SHO as it radiates heat.  That is to say... Do you reach a point where the under-hood temp stays higher due to heat radiation with the coating?  So I'm wondering if it is mostly an appearance option.

I searched for an hour and can't find any real testing numbers, much less in any auto application on the coating effects (including Stainlesss Works ThermalCoat) on any temp.. Anyone with experience or a link?  :dunno:

•2013 Taurus SHO nonPP - All Ford factory options, 3BAR MAP, LMS v8 tune (mods for 3BAR, DPs, and T-stat), Paint & plastic correction, CQuart finest all exterior surfaces, limo black window tint,VLED Triton switchbacks, Daytime BrightLites switchback DRLs, full interior and exterior LED conversion, Lamin-X charcoal blackout tail lights and reflectors, PPE catted and coated downpipes, EBPP coated hotpipes with BoVs VTA, MDesign CAI
•2013 F250 CC Lariat 6.7EB Diesel -stock

EcoPowerParts

PPE does offer thermal coating as well, I can check with him on how much it would cost to get them coated for you.
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BiGMaC

Quote from: 4DRHTRD on January 16, 2014, 09:56:43 AM
PPE does offer thermal coating as well, I can check with him on how much it would cost to get them coated for you.

Please do check the price since they are fabbing mine now... and see if they have any data on under-hood or general decrease of heat blocking,etc. ... Thanks

•2013 Taurus SHO nonPP - All Ford factory options, 3BAR MAP, LMS v8 tune (mods for 3BAR, DPs, and T-stat), Paint & plastic correction, CQuart finest all exterior surfaces, limo black window tint,VLED Triton switchbacks, Daytime BrightLites switchback DRLs, full interior and exterior LED conversion, Lamin-X charcoal blackout tail lights and reflectors, PPE catted and coated downpipes, EBPP coated hotpipes with BoVs VTA, MDesign CAI
•2013 F250 CC Lariat 6.7EB Diesel -stock

EcoPowerParts

$175.00 to add thermal coating, I am getting a write up on the performance characteristics of the coating they use.
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BiGMaC

Quote from: 4DRHTRD on January 16, 2014, 01:11:13 PM
$175.00 to add thermal coating, I am getting a write up on the performance characteristics of the coating they use.

Thanks for checking.  Comparatively good price!   I'd like to see the documents they send.... If it appears to be reasonably beneficial I could Paypal you the extra since the option is not on the EPP website..... Let me know.  Thanks

•2013 Taurus SHO nonPP - All Ford factory options, 3BAR MAP, LMS v8 tune (mods for 3BAR, DPs, and T-stat), Paint & plastic correction, CQuart finest all exterior surfaces, limo black window tint,VLED Triton switchbacks, Daytime BrightLites switchback DRLs, full interior and exterior LED conversion, Lamin-X charcoal blackout tail lights and reflectors, PPE catted and coated downpipes, EBPP coated hotpipes with BoVs VTA, MDesign CAI
•2013 F250 CC Lariat 6.7EB Diesel -stock

DJE624

Yes!  That does sound good.  No cats/heat treat would do for me.  Very soon I hope! 

FoMoCoSHO

Quote from: 4DRHTRD on January 16, 2014, 01:11:13 PM
$175.00 to add thermal coating, I am getting a write up on the performance characteristics of the coating they use.

I wonder if they sell the coating, since I'm not installing your old ones till spring i have time to do that...

And what exactly would i gain from this?


DJE624

Hopefully, a lot less heat under the hood allowing for cooler intake temps. 

SwampRat

Apparently this Thermal Coating for the Downpipes has not been brought up before on any other threads ...
Even though I have not seen any real world testing on the ecoboost platform , It has been well documented to show underhood temperature drops of 25 to 50 degrees on other vehicles that I have read about in Hot Rod and other mags ...
Even in the OLD School Days of Headers we used to Wrap them in HIGH TEMP Insulation to bring temps down  , even if it was to only keep from COOKING you feet on the floorboard .

The question I posed earlier was if anyone had done this on there downpipes  ?   ....    I guess not .... 


I think it will be worth the extra expense


I would only attempt to do this to a set that one may already have ,  only If you have access to a High Temp Curing Oven .   

I don't believe the Themal Coating that Stainless Works uses is any ordinary run of the mill High Temp Paint .
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BiGMaC

Quote from: kbeck59 on January 16, 2014, 07:40:39 PM
Apparently this Thermal Coating for the Downpipes has not been brought up before on any other threads ...
Even though I have not seen any real world testing on the ecoboost platform , It has been well documented to show underhood temperature drops of 25 to 50 degrees on other vehicles that I have read about in Hot Rod and other mags ...
Even in the OLD School Days of Headers we used to Wrap them in HIGH TEMP Insulation to bring temps down  , even if it was to only keep from COOKING you feet on the floorboard .

The question I posed earlier was if anyone had done this on there downpipes  ?   ....    I guess not .... 


I think it will be worth the extra expense


I would only attempt to do this to a set that one may already have ,  only If you have access to a High Temp Curing Oven .   

I don't believe the Themal Coating that Stainless Works uses is any ordinary run of the mill High Temp Paint .

I want to see the data sheet that PPE has... but for 175 buck if I can lower under hood temps even 10-15 degrees....in Phx I'm definitely going to add it to my order.

•2013 Taurus SHO nonPP - All Ford factory options, 3BAR MAP, LMS v8 tune (mods for 3BAR, DPs, and T-stat), Paint & plastic correction, CQuart finest all exterior surfaces, limo black window tint,VLED Triton switchbacks, Daytime BrightLites switchback DRLs, full interior and exterior LED conversion, Lamin-X charcoal blackout tail lights and reflectors, PPE catted and coated downpipes, EBPP coated hotpipes with BoVs VTA, MDesign CAI
•2013 F250 CC Lariat 6.7EB Diesel -stock

Josephm

4dr thanks for looking into the thermal coating on the PPE down pipes. I appreciate it a bunch as I was unaware of said thermal coating
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EcoPowerParts

Here's the FAQ from the mfr that PPE uses for their coating:
http://www.techlinecoatingswebstore.com/FAQ.html

If you want to add it to your Downpipe order paypal me $175 to info@ecoboostpowerparts.com and I'll get it added.
I'll update my website tomorrow to add the option!
Thanks guys
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BiGMaC

OK, just PP'd the $175.00     Please have PPE do the coating on my ordered DPs... Thanks Mike for all your help on this.

Maybe I'm crazy (highly likely in any event...LOL)  ... and I had wished for a little more info on the tech sheet... but .... In Phx I believe it is even more important to keep heat saturation and under hood temps down than most places... and the sheet did have this to say:

"WILL I SEE A TEMPERATURE CHANGE? Parts will run cooler. Engine oil and water temperatures have shown a reduction. On headers the radiated heat will be substantially reduced leading to lower underhood temperatures and less heat absorption by nearby parts and surfaces."

Since it worked on headers I am betting that it will have significant effect on heat saturation of components in the closed up SHO engine compartment by coating the DPs..... and that my turbos will thank me for cooler intake air in our summers.

•2013 Taurus SHO nonPP - All Ford factory options, 3BAR MAP, LMS v8 tune (mods for 3BAR, DPs, and T-stat), Paint & plastic correction, CQuart finest all exterior surfaces, limo black window tint,VLED Triton switchbacks, Daytime BrightLites switchback DRLs, full interior and exterior LED conversion, Lamin-X charcoal blackout tail lights and reflectors, PPE catted and coated downpipes, EBPP coated hotpipes with BoVs VTA, MDesign CAI
•2013 F250 CC Lariat 6.7EB Diesel -stock

DJE624


SHOdded

Wonder if it would help the transmission/PTU temps too? 
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