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Torque Knock PID - may have some progress...

Started by ecoboostsho, November 08, 2013, 09:47:16 AM

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FoMoCoSHO

Try downshifting at 20 ish to 1st and let off before the shift to 2nd.

SHOnUup

Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on August 05, 2014, 11:31:55 AM
Try downshifting at 20 ish to 1st and let off before the shift to 2nd.
Used the paddles once. Just not the same without the clutch action. For longevity with the Trans I'm trying to stay away from them. Cars still pretty fresh to me (only 4 months in), as I gain more trust in it the paddles may come into play!
2011 Sterling Gray Metallic SHO non PP,
12.4211 @ 110.28 Livernois 3bar tune & CAI,
Added since...PPE catless Dpipes, Megan coilovers, Powergrid adjustable end links, and EBC slotted rotors and red stuff pads.
Tommy Designs grille with carbon fiber hydrographics, fender badges and fog bezels hydrodipped also, tinted windows, head & taillights, debadged trunk with all chrome plasti-dipped, black calipers, obdlink mx scantool running torque pro on 7" tablet.

FoMoCoSHO

Just stand on it or 25 or below, it will downshift.

WickedSHO

I was out testing this Knock PID and at one time got a +2, and even a -1, but most of the time it was at 0.
2014 SHO Ignot Silver. MDesign CF Intake, 3 BAR MAP, 160 T-Stat, LMS 93 OCT V8 tune.

ecoboostsho

Quote from: Brucelinc on August 05, 2014, 10:53:39 AM
Quote from: SHOnUup on August 05, 2014, 10:37:49 AM
Only time I get timing pulled is when easing into full throttle from a roll(still quick throttle , just not punched to floor)...any foot to the floor action gets 0's....

That behavior is similar to mine.  Easing in the first part of the throttle seems to add timing.  A little deeper into the throttle pulls it and then at WOT it is at zero.  I haven't seen more than a +2 under any conditions, though.  This occurs in higher gear/lower RPM scenarios.
Same as mine...I really don't know that I am going to be worried about 1.5 degrees of knock with as fast as these motors react at my mod level (basically tune, 3 bar, thermo, mufflers, plugs).  We'd have a whole lot of blown up SHO's running around if that was the case.  If you push the power up to near the breaking point for the rods and THEN get a little bit of knock (maybe even when lifting) it could be an issue of course...
2013 White SHO w/PP, Gearhead Tuned, 3 Bar, 160T, Plugs...Mess with the Bull and you'll get the Horn. :)
Previous 2011 Tuxedo Black SHO w/PP - 12.89 1/4 Mile

SHOnUup

Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on August 05, 2014, 11:44:31 AM
Just stand on it or 25 or below, it will downshift.
Oh yeah, 25 - 30 might be one of the best launch points I feel, besides stopped. Once I put the pedal down I am sure to always get through the first shift after downshift to not cause a sloppy shift on the trans.
2011 Sterling Gray Metallic SHO non PP,
12.4211 @ 110.28 Livernois 3bar tune & CAI,
Added since...PPE catless Dpipes, Megan coilovers, Powergrid adjustable end links, and EBC slotted rotors and red stuff pads.
Tommy Designs grille with carbon fiber hydrographics, fender badges and fog bezels hydrodipped also, tinted windows, head & taillights, debadged trunk with all chrome plasti-dipped, black calipers, obdlink mx scantool running torque pro on 7" tablet.

wasinger3000

The most I've seen on gradual throttle roll on is -5.0. any full throttle is 0- +1.0. I do see knock of almost 3-4 when I let off on a wot run quickly.
13' SHO, Non-PP, Tuned by Torrie, Meth injection, 3 bar, 170* stat, custom axle back exhaust, Prosport Boost gauge.
15' F150 Lariat Sport, all the options, 3.5L Eco. (fiancée ride.)
13' GTCS, will be missed.

ShoBoat

Sounds like more data logging is needed. Does anyone with this wot/lift knock have access to FORScan? It would be interesting to see exactly what is happening. I will log mine but I have yet to see this behaviour.
2012 Pearl White CTS-V Stock
2016 Fusion Titanium 2.0 EB Stock
2013 SHO Black on Black (Gone) PP, Unleashed Custom Tune, 170 TStat, SP534 Plugs, 3 Bar, Airaid Intake, PPE catted downpipes, Corsa Cat-back, H&R Springs. Focal 165KR Front Stage,2 JL W6 10 with Focal 800.1. 12.62 @ 110 mph.

Brucelinc

Quote from: ShoBoat on August 05, 2014, 01:09:58 PM
Sounds like more data logging is needed. Does anyone with this wot/lift knock have access to FORScan? It would be interesting to see exactly what is happening. I will log mine but I have yet to see this behaviour.

I have never really experienced this but I never do WOT and then an abrupt lift.  I suppose if I was WOT and a deer jumped out in front of me, I would do that but otherwise it just doesn't seem like a very common situation.  Maybe I am missing something....

FoMoCoSHO

Quote from: Brucelinc on August 05, 2014, 01:30:10 PM
Quote from: ShoBoat on August 05, 2014, 01:09:58 PM
Sounds like more data logging is needed. Does anyone with this wot/lift knock have access to FORScan? It would be interesting to see exactly what is happening. I will log mine but I have yet to see this behaviour.

I have never really experienced this but I never do WOT and then an abrupt lift.  I suppose if I was WOT and a deer jumped out in front of me, I would do that but otherwise it just doesn't seem like a very common situation.  Maybe I am missing something....
I do wot blasts to my cruise speed often.

I also tend to let off abruptly when LE is spotted.


Brucelinc

I also tend to let off abruptly when LE is spotted.


LOL...yes, I would do that, too.  I got a ticket recently when I was in Des Moines visiting family and my wife got one on her way to work.  Not good for insurance premiums!

FoMoCoSHO

Pretty much any time I'm in a 25 mph zone that goes to 35.....I punch it .

I can't resist the 2-1 downshift at 25, its like SHO heroin.

I wonder if these are all the reasons for my rears wearing faster than my fronts?


SHOdded

Shoe stores must give you a heck of a time, FoMoCoSHO :D
2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

SHOnUup

Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on August 05, 2014, 03:46:27 PM
Pretty much any time I'm in a 25 mph zone that goes to 35.....I punch it .

I can't resist the 2-1 downshift at 25, its like SHO heroin.

I wonder if these are all the reasons for my rears wearing faster than my fronts?
Love it...i like watching the rear power gauge for this also!!!
2011 Sterling Gray Metallic SHO non PP,
12.4211 @ 110.28 Livernois 3bar tune & CAI,
Added since...PPE catless Dpipes, Megan coilovers, Powergrid adjustable end links, and EBC slotted rotors and red stuff pads.
Tommy Designs grille with carbon fiber hydrographics, fender badges and fog bezels hydrodipped also, tinted windows, head & taillights, debadged trunk with all chrome plasti-dipped, black calipers, obdlink mx scantool running torque pro on 7" tablet.

SHOnUup

2011 Sterling Gray Metallic SHO non PP,
12.4211 @ 110.28 Livernois 3bar tune & CAI,
Added since...PPE catless Dpipes, Megan coilovers, Powergrid adjustable end links, and EBC slotted rotors and red stuff pads.
Tommy Designs grille with carbon fiber hydrographics, fender badges and fog bezels hydrodipped also, tinted windows, head & taillights, debadged trunk with all chrome plasti-dipped, black calipers, obdlink mx scantool running torque pro on 7" tablet.