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This week's fun with the Flex... 600HP is hard to manage :)

Started by EcoPowerParts, October 05, 2013, 09:39:13 PM

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This last week was awesome, I was able to dyno 600HP and everything looked PERFECT. We figured we'd go out and do some street tuning just to verify. As soon as we get the car off the dyno and started driving around we were hitting lean cut. After a couple of hours of trying to dial in the tune and still hitting lean cut one of us (3 guys in the car) finally looked down and saw at WOT we went from 80psi down to 28PSI via my fuel pressure gauge in the center console, only during WOT however.
Yesterday I drove down to the shop and met up with Geno and one of his guys Shawn, they helped me go through the vehicle and we thought I had a bad fuel pump (DW 300) so we slapped in 2 new Walbro 255. Nope, still having problems.... After some more testing we found the car would run on one pump but would die after a little bit on the other. Kept troubleshooting to find that one of the power leads from the front relay to the rear was shorted so we put both pumps on one power lead. This fixed the problem and the car would go up to around 80psi then drop down to around 50psi at WOB but would still hold fueling.
Geno and some guys from Full-Race, my wife and I all piled into my wife's truck, my Flex and Geno's truck pulling a trailer in case of mishap with the Flex to head down to Tucson SIR (120+ miles away). We got to the track around 9pm and jumped in line, on the way down Jeremy and I street tuned the car and scared the crap out of my wife (car in 4th gear goes from 60-100++ real fast now). Car seemed fine on the road.
First pass, car lean cuts in 2nd gear then is so rich at 5K++ that it chokes and throws a service engine light due to too much fuel.
We tried to dial it back but 2nd pass was the same problem so no good runs last night. We made 2 passes from 9pm until 1am due to some fast cars breaking every 2 or 3 passes at the track.

Game plan:
1. Run new power leads to replace old ones, need larger gauges (previous was 8, probably going with 6 now)
2. Throw the old DW300 back in but long term need to swap to Walbro 420's for power levels I'm at.

I'm at a crossroads long term on how to tune the car, I have three options:
1. ProEFI to control aux injectors, boost (min boost = 500HP can't get lower than that and car won't hook on street tires at 500HP), timing and use their awesome traction control via rev limiter to get some decent street launches. I can also get boost per gear, timing/boost based off of ethanol content etc.
2. Follow Ford Racing's dual DI pump (I was told it's a dual pump) and install a 2nd DI pump on the other valve cover, this will require a custom valve cover, custom cam and control of dual spill valves. I might have to make an electronic box to take the ECU to split to both spill valves and not fry it from the new load.
3. This is very small chance - put the car back to stock and trade it in on a Tremor and go nuts on that. It weighs about the same but the transmission is the same as Mustang so lots of parts, more room for BIGGER turbos and larger support. I could probably have a 1K HP Ecoboosted truck within a year, I'd still be fighting fuel control so I'd probably get to the same place I'm at now very quickly.

The trials and tribulations of being FIRST suck, especially when I don't have anybody to talk to about what to do next. I'll keep banging away though!

BTW, getting home at 3:30 am after getting up at 5:30 am makes me groggy....
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crash712us

Well its good to here more news on your ride, but its to bad that it still has some glitches. But thats the name of the game in being 1st to do. Hopefully you will see it thru to things are working like they should.

2011 tuxedo black non pp, LMS stage 5, Corsa cat back, LMS down pipes, Airaid, Alky control meth injection, Megan Racing coil overs, EBC rotor&pads, Mobsteel grill, 2013 trans cooler. 403whp 417wtq 12.25 @ 110

bpd1151

Get some well reserved rest....

Don't fry your own ECM (in your cranium).

Lots of progress it would seem, so be sure to recoup and reapproach the FLEX with a fresh set of eyes & ideas.

Enjoy a :beer:



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SHOdded

Quote from: 4DRHTRD on October 05, 2013, 09:39:13 PM
The trials and tribulations of being FIRST suck, especially when I don't have anybody to talk to about what to do next. I'll keep banging away though!

No doubt you will persevere through this barrier just like all the others!  But like BPD said, sometimes a break from the action is just what the Dr ordered ...
2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

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scap99

I swear that's a verbatim speech to text of the phone call we had this morning...lol

You know you want the Tremor!!!


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EcoPowerParts

Quote from: scap99 on October 05, 2013, 10:54:31 PM
I swear that's a verbatim speech to text of the phone call we had this morning...lol

You know you want the Tremor!!!


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Yeah I become a one track mind when I'm in this mode, Thursday night I couldn't sleep when we were having low fuel pressure issues. I just keep obsessing and obsessing until I fix it. I'm lucky my wife puts up with it. :)


I just found this thread, reading through for info!
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05yellowgt

Reminds me of getting my mustang at the track for the first few times after getting the build done. It was trapping only 119mph the first time out, WTF?!?  A 700rwhp 3600lb car should be much faster. Hooked the laptop up and logged. I was only seeing 9-10 degrees of timing. Timing based on AIT table was still stock. Fixed that and picked up over 10mph in trap speed.


Ha anyone been able to figure out the specs of the stock DI pump?  I've found flow data from the Bosch Motorsports that the pumps listed there flow 1.1 cubic centimeters per actuation. The 3.5 EB ( at least the f150) can love that runs the DI pump is 4 sided. 4.4 cubic centimeters of fuel per engine rotation should be enough to hit 600rwhp on e85 and the DI system alone.

2010 Ford Flex Limited w/Ecoboost- SOLD
2013 F150 FX4 Supercrew 6.5ft bed Ecoboost w/3.55

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05yellowgt

Was the don you ran on a loading dyno?  I'd imagine you were making more boost down low on the street which is making the fuel low pressure pumps start to max out
2010 Ford Flex Limited w/Ecoboost- SOLD
2013 F150 FX4 Supercrew 6.5ft bed Ecoboost w/3.55

scap99

Quote from: 4DRHTRD on October 06, 2013, 11:08:10 AM
My previous post meant to have this link:
http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthread.php?28869-Our-ProEFI-N54

34 pages....and it won't let me view them all because I don't have an account...lol...not another forum to read!

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