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Out of one mess into another .. ''Noisy Third Gear?"
« on: March 25, 2021, 12:06:46 PM »
I had the splash guard off because it is busted .. and taking it off has revealed a cyclical ''whirring/whining noise'' on deceleration only in third gear.


it pulses rapidly in PITCH, and it correlates to vehicle speed,  slower speed = less swings in volume and pitch,  faster = more volume and pitch
going up a gear stops the noise
going down a gear stops the noise
going to neutral stops the noise

the trans shifts fine between gears in manual mode and auto mode .. no hesitation or slow shifts


I assume it is NOT a solenoid.. but in the off chance anyone has heard this noise i thought id reach out and see what everyone says .. TY in advance.





« Last Edit: March 25, 2021, 05:26:27 PM by TopherSho »
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Re: Out of one mess into another .. ''Noisy Third Gear?"
« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2021, 05:22:31 PM »
Being 3rd gear only takes away the CV joints.


NM you said cyclical. I misread clicking lol

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Re: Out of one mess into another .. ''Noisy Third Gear?"
« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2021, 10:54:27 AM »
Car in dealership for diagnosis.. fingers crossed for a solenoid control pack.. but logic says the rhythmic nature says bearings and
 That I'm boned.
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Re: Out of one mess into another .. ''Noisy Third Gear?"
« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2021, 07:24:28 PM »
Ford tech thinks the bearings on #3 are done.  To much torque .. :D  Were tearing it down to review.  ... many days no car ... luuuuuuaaaaammmmmeee.


?rent a mustang? ... hmm
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Re: Out of one mess into another .. ''Noisy Third Gear?"
« Reply #4 on: April 01, 2021, 11:19:53 AM »
Oh man. You are the first here with that issue. That sucks.

Rent a Fiesta. Then you will appreciate your car more when you get it back. LOL

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Re: Out of one mess into another .. ''Noisy Third Gear?"
« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2021, 07:02:10 AM »
may be a blessing in disguise. some gen 5's had issues with 3-5-R (posted in an SSM by Ford), so it is a good time to discover any other weaknesses.  including torque converter, pump, etc. a true rebuild will be worth it, even tho heavy duty components are not really available.  unless bpd has an update 4 us :)

tss/oss/solenoid body replacement or at least verified.  valve body cleaning.

good luck.
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If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

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Re: Out of one mess into another .. ''Noisy Third Gear?"
« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2021, 10:57:29 AM »
may be a blessing in disguise. some gen 5's had issues with 3-5-R (posted in an SSM by Ford), so it is a good time to discover any other weaknesses.  including torque converter, pump, etc. a true rebuild will be worth it, even tho heavy duty components are not really available.  unless bpd has an update 4 us :)

tss/oss/solenoid body replacement or at least verified.  valve body cleaning.

good luck.


Got a guy in town who refuses to run under 600hp on his '11 .. he has done in 3 trannys.. ALL have failed due to third gear.  His grandparents own/run a tranny shop so he just rips it out and rebuilds it. 

I think mine failed because I ran it too much in manual mode, and did too many pulls in 3rd from 2200-2500 to red line in the VERY early tuning days before knowing any better.  I'm sure i shortened the ever living crap out of them.  Add to that flooring it from OD to 3rd at 70-ish mph probably induces a lot of stress as well.  Tranny made it to 95k .. tbh i'm not surprised given the early abuse.   It also seems like these trans with the non-servicable filter start having greatly increasing odds of general failure after 120k.  given how much i drive that would be only two more years. :P


cost of doing business in the tuning game. (  :'(  cry... so so costly)
« Last Edit: April 02, 2021, 11:03:25 AM by TopherSho »
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Re: Out of one mess into another .. ''Noisy Third Gear?"
« Reply #7 on: April 02, 2021, 05:30:51 PM »
Yeah that sucks.

I guess once you do it once. Its easy after that cept on the wallet.

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Update .. ''Noisy Third Gear?"
« Reply #8 on: April 08, 2021, 09:02:40 PM »

Ford is stumped like I am .. but now i have a audio file! I clamped an old cell phone r under the car and recorded it.  anyone have an idea based on the sound ??

Attached is a WAV/Audio file .. if you play it on a pc/mac and tun it up a little you can hear the noise from 13 seconds to 20 seconds the most clearly.

This noise is the most pronounced if you let off the gas and coast.  if you coast long enough in third .. it downshifts to 2nd on its own and the noise stops.

Any thoughts?  I do not think TQ converter or planetary since the noise stops in any other gear as far as I can tell.. its a weird issue.

Here is a youtube link to the audio... the audio file may not play since I had to name it mpg to upload it
« Last Edit: April 08, 2021, 10:01:01 PM by TopherSho »
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Best 1/4 of 12.61 no DA correction

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Re: Out of one mess into another .. ''Noisy Third Gear?"
« Reply #9 on: April 09, 2021, 01:40:22 PM »
I am not a mechanic, but surely sounds rotational to me..

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Re: Out of one mess into another .. ''Noisy Third Gear?"
« Reply #10 on: April 09, 2021, 02:55:48 PM »
I am not a mechanic, but surely sounds rotational to me..


Agree .. But only in Third.  Bad news bears ..
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Re: Out of one mess into another .. ''Noisy Third Gear?"
« Reply #11 on: April 10, 2021, 11:43:45 AM »
I am not a mechanic, but surely sounds rotational to me..


Wait .. are you suggesting a wheel bearing?  The shop manager also ''sorta'' hinted at a wheel bearing .. but could not explain the noise stopping in 2nd or 4th.



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