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Light to mid throttle boost surge

Started by autox4fun, September 26, 2020, 11:25:49 AM

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autox4fun

In the image,
Throttle request stays near flat
throttle body dips
boost and wastegate dip and regain over and over
Speed trending upward smoothly


think normal driving, then getting nicely up to speed on an on-ramp boost levels 5-8psi max

upgraded to an 11 lb spring in the Tial


Car is an 11 Flex
FBO - like everything in the catalog , GH turbos, EPP hot pipes "with Tial"
knock counts are clean and negative,


anybody have a similar issue? thoughts on where to continue looking?
Ported - Heads, EX manifolds, and turbine housings, GH - turbos, TQ, & IC, EPP intake and hotpipes w/Tial (11lbs), x35 spacer, MSD coils, PPE catted DP, Magnaflow exhaust, DW in tank, Livernois Hpfp, Fuel-IT e-sensor, AEM WMI, SHO trans cooler, Megan Coilovers, Retrofitted Headlights, TSW wheels

MattC

2015 Explorer Sport: ported intake, tuned, 100% meth, downpipes

TopherSho

Quote from: autox4fun on September 26, 2020, 11:25:49 AM
In the image,
Throttle request stays near flat
throttle body dips
boost and wastegate dip and regain over and over
Speed trending upward smoothly


think normal driving, then getting nicely up to speed on an on-ramp boost levels 5-8psi max


no boost leaks that I can find, also upgraded to an 11 lb spring in the Tial


Car is an 11 Flex
FBO - like everything in the catolog , GH turbos, EPP hot pipes "with Tial"
knock counts are clean and negative,


anybody have a similar issue? thoughts on where to continue looking?


can you post the full log?  what bugs me is the jitter in the tan/brown line?  is that the RPM or speed ?
2010 non-pp, 98k miles, 3-bar,  .026 plugs, SNOW-KIT STG1, AJPTurbu tune#35, 15.5+psi
Best 0-60 public road 4.35s
Best 1/4 of 12.61 no DA correction

StealBlueSho

Quote from: autox4fun on September 26, 2020, 11:25:49 AM
In the image,
Throttle request stays near flat
throttle body dips
boost and wastegate dip and regain over and over
Speed trending upward smoothly


think normal driving, then getting nicely up to speed on an on-ramp boost levels 5-8psi max


no boost leaks that I can find, also upgraded to an 11 lb spring in the Tial


Car is an 11 Flex
FBO - like everything in the catolog , GH turbos, EPP hot pipes "with Tial"
knock counts are clean and negative,


anybody have a similar issue? thoughts on where to continue looking?

Literally just had this problem amongst others, but what you are describing is was the most prevalent issue that I could feel driving. It ended up being the Boost Control Solenoid which is $79.29 at your local dealer.

I swapped mine in the dealer parking lot after picking up the part.

Boost Control Solenoid - https://www.tascaparts.com/oem-parts/ford-turbocharger-boost-solenoid-bl3z9k378a

TopherSho

Quote from: StealBlueSHO on September 30, 2020, 05:01:24 PM
Quote from: autox4fun on September 26, 2020, 11:25:49 AM
In the image,
Throttle request stays near flat
throttle body dips
boost and wastegate dip and regain over and over
Speed trending upward smoothly


think normal driving, then getting nicely up to speed on an on-ramp boost levels 5-8psi max


no boost leaks that I can find, also upgraded to an 11 lb spring in the Tial


Car is an 11 Flex
FBO - like everything in the catolog , GH turbos, EPP hot pipes "with Tial"
knock counts are clean and negative,


anybody have a similar issue? thoughts on where to continue looking?

Literally just had this problem amongst others, but what you are describing is was the most prevalent issue that I could feel driving. It ended up being the Boost Control Solenoid which is $79.29 at your local dealer.

I swapped mine in the dealer parking lot after picking up the part.

Boost Control Solenoid - https://www.tascaparts.com/oem-parts/ford-turbocharger-boost-solenoid-bl3z9k378a


I had two go bad in a year :P  but mine would opt to NOT open the wastegates or partially open and build too much boost
2010 non-pp, 98k miles, 3-bar,  .026 plugs, SNOW-KIT STG1, AJPTurbu tune#35, 15.5+psi
Best 0-60 public road 4.35s
Best 1/4 of 12.61 no DA correction

StealBlueSho

Quote from: TopherSho on September 30, 2020, 06:23:49 PM
Quote from: StealBlueSHO on September 30, 2020, 05:01:24 PM
Quote from: autox4fun on September 26, 2020, 11:25:49 AM
In the image,
Throttle request stays near flat
throttle body dips
boost and wastegate dip and regain over and over
Speed trending upward smoothly


think normal driving, then getting nicely up to speed on an on-ramp boost levels 5-8psi max


no boost leaks that I can find, also upgraded to an 11 lb spring in the Tial


Car is an 11 Flex
FBO - like everything in the catolog , GH turbos, EPP hot pipes "with Tial"
knock counts are clean and negative,


anybody have a similar issue? thoughts on where to continue looking?

Literally just had this problem amongst others, but what you are describing is was the most prevalent issue that I could feel driving. It ended up being the Boost Control Solenoid which is $79.29 at your local dealer.

I swapped mine in the dealer parking lot after picking up the part.

Boost Control Solenoid - https://www.tascaparts.com/oem-parts/ford-turbocharger-boost-solenoid-bl3z9k378a


I had two go bad in a year :P  but mine would opt to NOT open the wastegates or partially open and build too much boost

Yea, I had that issue as well. Always assumed it was issues dealing tuning bigger turbos.. Until Matt at Gearhead had enough data on his turbo's from various other cars.. he was like.. something is off.. check the BCS..

autox4fun

This is a newer part ... 5K miles old.
I did a boost leak test tonight and I had a few small ones at couplers and got those locked down.


What I'm rather upset with is the fittings on the UPR catch can.  Major leaks - the 45 I was able to slide out of the hose.  I've had the kit for two years, the ends are just press fit fittings to hose - no clamps.  The current pictures on their website show worm gears hose clamps on each fittings.  I'm going to dig up my old hoses and see if I can get a set of turbos to finally hit hard. 
Ported - Heads, EX manifolds, and turbine housings, GH - turbos, TQ, & IC, EPP intake and hotpipes w/Tial (11lbs), x35 spacer, MSD coils, PPE catted DP, Magnaflow exhaust, DW in tank, Livernois Hpfp, Fuel-IT e-sensor, AEM WMI, SHO trans cooler, Megan Coilovers, Retrofitted Headlights, TSW wheels

autox4fun

Quote from: TopherSho on September 29, 2020, 04:44:41 PM
Quote from: autox4fun on September 26, 2020, 11:25:49 AM
In the image,
Throttle request stays near flat
throttle body dips
boost and wastegate dip and regain over and over
Speed trending upward smoothly


think normal driving, then getting nicely up to speed on an on-ramp boost levels 5-8psi max


no boost leaks that I can find, also upgraded to an 11 lb spring in the Tial


Car is an 11 Flex
FBO - like everything in the catolog , GH turbos, EPP hot pipes "with Tial"
knock counts are clean and negative,


anybody have a similar issue? thoughts on where to continue looking?


can you post the full log?  what bugs me is the jitter in the tan/brown line?  is that the RPM or speed ?


SPEED is the Brown line
Ported - Heads, EX manifolds, and turbine housings, GH - turbos, TQ, & IC, EPP intake and hotpipes w/Tial (11lbs), x35 spacer, MSD coils, PPE catted DP, Magnaflow exhaust, DW in tank, Livernois Hpfp, Fuel-IT e-sensor, AEM WMI, SHO trans cooler, Megan Coilovers, Retrofitted Headlights, TSW wheels

TopherSho

How blown up is that graph ?  It should not be that jittery and makes me think speed sensor ...
2010 non-pp, 98k miles, 3-bar,  .026 plugs, SNOW-KIT STG1, AJPTurbu tune#35, 15.5+psi
Best 0-60 public road 4.35s
Best 1/4 of 12.61 no DA correction