It might be time to remove LMS from this forum, vote up and let me know

[SM105K]

Lmao... you all know the moderators here do this on their own dime right?

I would say since I have joined in 2015 the moderators have done a very good job trying to keep the forums from turning into a Facebook/social media melting pot of crap.

Forums have always been a place to go get information and share ideas respectfully. Talk about new things and help move the platform forward.

There are multiple types of censorship... one type is having a moderator that removed valid comments, another is members who refuse to let others share their own opinions without jumping all over them.

I personally think everyone needs to take a step back, understand that it is OK to have people who LIKE the same vendor you DONT LIKE.  It is OK to have different opinions respectfully. There have been multiple attempts in this post alone by senior members to keep the discussion respectful.

I am a mod on other forums as well. I am well aware of how things operate.

Time to go put on my Reef's and go work on the SHO and ST.

[ZSHO]

There were a couple cautionary notes issued Prior and many still disregard to follow simple basic protocol!
I wholeheartedly agree with SHOdded decision respectively! Z

[EcoPowerParts]

I've unlocked this thread, don't lock it please. Don't moderate it either, these items need to be discussed in public.

[bpd1151]

I've unlocked this thread, don't lock it please. Don't moderate it either, these items need to be discussed in public.

Thank you Mike for taking up the reigns on this. Unlocking it, and allowing for unfettered discussion accordingly.

Truly appreciated.

Let the ensuing discusson(s) continue unabated.

Cheers

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[SM105K]

I've unlocked this thread, don't lock it please. Don't moderate it either, these items need to be discussed in public.

Thank you Mike for unlocking this thread. Can you please check to see if the voting has been tampered with by "new" members votes in either direction?

[EcoPowerParts]

All members who voted have been a member for awhile.
Mike

[SHOdded]

I've unlocked this thread, don't lock it please. Don't moderate it either, these items need to be discussed in public.

No problem.  Your call.

[Macgyver]

So whats gonna happen. 1 vote majority and they get booted ?

Seriously ?

[SM105K]

So whats gonna happen. 1 vote majority and they get booted ?

Seriously ?

How many times do you have to drop the ball before someone takes the ball and sends you home?

[StealBlueSho]

Here is my opinion.. I am assisting a former Livernois customer... who paid a boat load for the top of the line package that doesn't involve a motor... and since he has received the car back, it has not run correctly..

The list of CRAP that seems to be poorly put together just never ends.. we are chasing a fueling issue which at this point based on the logs I am suspecting the check valve on the alky kit maybe malfunctioning. I asked where the gain controller was so he can turn the pump off.. he said he doesn't know and that LMS said he should never have to touch it as its a progressive controller and doesn't need adjusting...

He paid $99 for their spark plugs as part of the package, and then another $150 to have them installed... they were gapped at .040!

His alky kit came with two red LEDS... so he has no clue if the pump is actually developing pressure.. and THEY CHARGED HIM SEPARATELY FOR THE LEDS.. THE KIT COMES WITH THEM!

The list continues to go on...

I know he doesn't want to get on the forums.. as I wish he would tell his side of the story so it was first hand..   

To the point, its time to move on from them. If you are getting anything beyond a base tune from LMS then they are screwing people left and right. I myself used them off and on for a few years with good success for the most part.. until I wanted turbo's.. then they tried to sell me "Race Oil" at 7 quarts and break in oil at 7 quarts because "The ATP's will burn through several quarts on the dyno.." as Andy told me. I was also told they wouldn't install my EPP down pipes.. they went so far as to say they don't remove the stock downpipes when replacing the turbos... and the list goes on and on and on..

I have attached a copy of the quote I received for the turbo install.... they wouldnt provide line item price.. as their software apparently wouldnt allow it.

Their business practices are garbage.. and they continue to prey on unsuspecting customers. This predatory business model should not be allowed to continue within these forums. And to the fact that forums have a vendor section for them would suggest the forums also promote them.

I am getting tired of trying to help customers who have gotten screwed by them..

[Linemonkey]

Think about the new owners joining us. When I bought my car I was so proud of it and excited to mod it. Hell, I still am! This forum and the members here were incredibly helpful and knowledgeable. I'm a family man and couldn't afford to blow money on mods that I didn't need or didn't work. I'd hate to see a new owner come in and lose interest or worse yet, their excitement, because they get burned by shady vendors with potentially dangerous products

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[802SHO]

Here is my opinion.. I am assisting a former Livernois customer... who paid a boat load for the top of the line package that doesn't involve a motor... and since he has received the car back, it has not run correctly..

The list of CRAP that seems to be poorly put together just never ends.. we are chasing a fueling issue which at this point based on the logs I am suspecting the check valve on the alky kit maybe malfunctioning. I asked where the gain controller was so he can turn the pump off.. he said he doesn't know and that LMS said he should never have to touch it as its a progressive controller and doesn't need adjusting...

He paid $99 for their spark plugs as part of the package, and then another $150 to have them installed... they were gapped at .040!

His alky kit came with two red LEDS... so he has no clue if the pump is actually developing pressure.. and THEY CHARGED HIM SEPARATELY FOR THE LEDS.. THE KIT COMES WITH THEM!

The list continues to go on...

I know he doesn't want to get on the forums.. as I wish he would tell his side of the story so it was first hand..   

To the point, its time to move on from them. If you are getting anything beyond a base tune from LMS then they are screwing people let and right. I myself used them off and on for a few years with good success for the most part.. until I wanted turbo's.. then they tried to sell me "Race Oil" at 7 quarts and break in oil at 7 quarts because "The ATP's will burn through several quarts on the dyno.." as Andy told me. I was also told they wouldn't install my EPP down pipes.. they went so far as to say they don't remove the stock downpipes when replacing the turbos... and the list goes on and on and on..

I have attached a copy of the quote I received for the turbo install.... they wouldnt provide line item price.. as their software apparently wouldnt allow it.

Their business practices are garbage.. and they continue to prey on unsuspecting customers. This predatory business model should not be allowed to continue within these forums. And to the fact that forums have a vendor section for them would suggest the forums also promote them.

I am getting tired of trying to help customers who have gotten screwed by them..

Holy Hell!  That estimate is straight wack!  I thought I saved myself $600 bucks by taking my turbos out AND manifolds ........but wow actually I saved nearly $3,000 lmfao!  Please stop giving these crooks your money people!

[StealBlueSho]

Here is my opinion.. I am assisting a former Livernois customer... who paid a boat load for the top of the line package that doesn't involve a motor... and since he has received the car back, it has not run correctly..

The list of CRAP that seems to be poorly put together just never ends.. we are chasing a fueling issue which at this point based on the logs I am suspecting the check valve on the alky kit maybe malfunctioning. I asked where the gain controller was so he can turn the pump off.. he said he doesn't know and that LMS said he should never have to touch it as its a progressive controller and doesn't need adjusting...

He paid $99 for their spark plugs as part of the package, and then another $150 to have them installed... they were gapped at .040!

His alky kit came with two red LEDS... so he has no clue if the pump is actually developing pressure.. and THEY CHARGED HIM SEPARATELY FOR THE LEDS.. THE KIT COMES WITH THEM!

The list continues to go on...

I know he doesn't want to get on the forums.. as I wish he would tell his side of the story so it was first hand..   

To the point, its time to move on from them. If you are getting anything beyond a base tune from LMS then they are screwing people let and right. I myself used them off and on for a few years with good success for the most part.. until I wanted turbo's.. then they tried to sell me "Race Oil" at 7 quarts and break in oil at 7 quarts because "The ATP's will burn through several quarts on the dyno.." as Andy told me. I was also told they wouldn't install my EPP down pipes.. they went so far as to say they don't remove the stock downpipes when replacing the turbos... and the list goes on and on and on..

I have attached a copy of the quote I received for the turbo install.... they wouldnt provide line item price.. as their software apparently wouldnt allow it.

Their business practices are garbage.. and they continue to prey on unsuspecting customers. This predatory business model should not be allowed to continue within these forums. And to the fact that forums have a vendor section for them would suggest the forums also promote them.

I am getting tired of trying to help customers who have gotten screwed by them..

Holy Hell!  That estimate is straight wack!  I thought I saved myself $600 bucks by taking my turbos out AND manifolds ........but wow actually I saved nearly $3,000 lmfao!  Please stop giving these crooks your money people!

Yes. It's crazy... I have another quote with an additional $1,750 in transport charges for them to come get the car...

I have additional data as well... I could consolidate all my datalogs for their tunes... 2010 and 2016 MY... but to be honest it would be subjective. The only one that is of condemning value is the V11 which has been beat to death....

You like the 5.0 oil filter? Truck plugs? Lol.. it's crap...

[bpd1151]

"Racing oil" is a good one too.

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[StealBlueSho]

Just for comparison here is the quote from National Speed for GH turbos installed,
Downpipes installed, and 3 dyno pulls. I did pay an extra $75 for a PTU drain/fill at the time too. This shop is highly rated and if you want pictures let me know... they work on and tune cars that LMS would blow a street urchin to get their hands on...