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It might be time to remove LMS from this forum, vote up and let me know

Started by EcoPowerParts, April 29, 2020, 02:36:57 PM

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EcoPowerParts

Take a few moments and vote on the poll please. I don't spend a ton of time on the forum any more due to day jobs and handling EPP at night along with personal (wife) commitments when not working.
It seems like the continue to have issues with these cars/tunes/products etc.
Let us know so we can handle appropriately.
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SM105K

Here are couple posts about the issues LMS has and is having. Before you vote, please take a look so you can make an informative vote.

When things started going south with LMS and the 4th gen Community.  Trans issues and V11 tune issues.

https://shoforum.com/index.php?threads/lms-3-bar-v11-93-bounces-off-rev-limiter.138591/

More V11 issues.

https://shoforum.com/index.php?threads/lms-vs-gearhead-canned-tunes-comparison.138578/

BDP1151 post about LMS and how he was treated after a failure.  Very detailed.

https://shoforum.com/index.php?threads/a-sad-sad-day-in-the-history-of-my-sho.139372/

BPD1151's post on his new build...a known associate of LMS tried to start crap on the last page.

https://shoforum.com/index.php?threads/bpd1151s-2010-sho-rebuild-thread.139715/page-18#post-1532953

After this LMS ghosted the community for a the better part of a year.

They returned with this.......

https://shoforum.com/index.php?threads/lms-t460-gains-big-power-while-resolving-other-concerns.141171/

Then this was brought to the light.....

https://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,10397.0.html
"M" 2013 SHO PP | AJPTurbo E30 Tune | FS HPFP | Stock IC with Ice Water DIY Sprayer | PPE Downpipes | Custom Magnaflow Resonator | 3rd Cat Delete | Derale Upgraded Trans Cooler | Dicunzolo Gen2 Trans Mounts| EPP Noisemaker Eliminator | MSD Coil Over Plugs | SP-542's | UPR Dual Valve Catch Can | K&N Drop In | Power Stop Slotted and Drilled Rotors with Stock PP Pads | H&R Springs  | AVS Flush Deflector | 802SHO Custom Splitter | Duraflex Chin Spoiler | Curva Concept C7's | Continental DWS06 Extreme Contact Rubber | 411 HP and 546 TQ |

"The Fukus" 2013 Focus ST | Boomba BOV | FSWerks Short Shifter | Power Stop Brakes | Continental DWS06 Extreme Contact Rubber |

bpd1151

Don't forget all the extra work the mods have had to do here over the years, eliminating double posts and/or relocating posts that they know full well (per the rules) belong in their own dedicated area.

As if consistently challenging the rules.

Not to mention them posting in other dedicated vendor areas, all to try and hawk sales. Which is disrespectful to those vendors alike.



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ZSHO

Quote from: SM105K on April 29, 2020, 02:51:44 PM
Here are couple posts about the issues LMS has and is having. Before you vote, please take a look so you can make an informative vote.

When things started going south with LMS and the 4th gen Community.  Trans issues and V11 tune issues.

https://shoforum.com/index.php?threads/lms-3-bar-v11-93-bounces-off-rev-limiter.138591/

More V11 issues.

https://shoforum.com/index.php?threads/lms-vs-gearhead-canned-tunes-comparison.138578/

BDP1151 post about LMS and how he was treated after a failure.  Very detailed.

https://shoforum.com/index.php?threads/a-sad-sad-day-in-the-history-of-my-sho.139372/

BPD1151's post on his new build...a known associate of LMS tried to start crap on the last page.

https://shoforum.com/index.php?threads/bpd1151s-2010-sho-rebuild-thread.139715/page-18#post-1532953

After this LMS ghosted the community for a the better part of a year.

They returned with this.......

https://shoforum.com/index.php?thre...-power-while-resolving-other-concerns.141171/

Then this was brought to the light.....

https://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,10397.0.html
The last link you posted does not work,followed by an error! Im not affiliated or part of the Shoforum!  :( Thanks. Z

https://shoforum.com/index.php?thre...-power-while-resolving-other-concerns.141171/


2013 Performance Package SHO| Livernois Custom Methanol Tune|3-Bar Map|Reische-170-Stat|Full Race Tial-10psi BOV in Black|PPE-Gloss Black Hot Pipes|EPP Dual Intake in Gloss Black|PPE Catted DP|Corsa Sport Cat Back Exhaust|H&R Sport-Springs|CFM Performance Billet Valve Cover Breather In Gloss Black|Llumar 20%Ceramic window Tint|MSD Ignition Coils in Black|Extreme Roof Spoiler|Redline Fluids all around|Gearhead Intercooler|First-SHO With Direct Port Alky-VP-M1-100%-Methanol Injection|LMS-Custom-Dyno-Tuned @ 415whp-465wtq| Best Trap Speed of 115.54 mph|

SM105K

Quote from: ZSHO on April 29, 2020, 03:51:14 PM
Quote from: SM105K on April 29, 2020, 02:51:44 PM
Here are couple posts about the issues LMS has and is having. Before you vote, please take a look so you can make an informative vote.

When things started going south with LMS and the 4th gen Community.  Trans issues and V11 tune issues.

https://shoforum.com/index.php?threads/lms-3-bar-v11-93-bounces-off-rev-limiter.138591/

More V11 issues.

https://shoforum.com/index.php?threads/lms-vs-gearhead-canned-tunes-comparison.138578/

BDP1151 post about LMS and how he was treated after a failure.  Very detailed.

https://shoforum.com/index.php?threads/a-sad-sad-day-in-the-history-of-my-sho.139372/

BPD1151's post on his new build...a known associate of LMS tried to start crap on the last page.

https://shoforum.com/index.php?threads/bpd1151s-2010-sho-rebuild-thread.139715/page-18#post-1532953

After this LMS ghosted the community for a the better part of a year.

They returned with this.......

https://shoforum.com/index.php?thre...-power-while-resolving-other-concerns.141171/

Then this was brought to the light.....

https://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,10397.0.html
The last link you posted does not work,followed by an error! Im not affiliated or part of the Shoforum!  :( Thanks. Z

https://shoforum.com/index.php?thre...-power-while-resolving-other-concerns.141171/

https://shoforum.com/index.php?threads/lms-t460-gains-big-power-while-resolving-other-concerns.141171/

This is the correct link.  It seems that LMS is more vocal over on the other forum.  Most of time here, they just remain silent and refuse to answer most questions directed to them. 
"M" 2013 SHO PP | AJPTurbo E30 Tune | FS HPFP | Stock IC with Ice Water DIY Sprayer | PPE Downpipes | Custom Magnaflow Resonator | 3rd Cat Delete | Derale Upgraded Trans Cooler | Dicunzolo Gen2 Trans Mounts| EPP Noisemaker Eliminator | MSD Coil Over Plugs | SP-542's | UPR Dual Valve Catch Can | K&N Drop In | Power Stop Slotted and Drilled Rotors with Stock PP Pads | H&R Springs  | AVS Flush Deflector | 802SHO Custom Splitter | Duraflex Chin Spoiler | Curva Concept C7's | Continental DWS06 Extreme Contact Rubber | 411 HP and 546 TQ |

"The Fukus" 2013 Focus ST | Boomba BOV | FSWerks Short Shifter | Power Stop Brakes | Continental DWS06 Extreme Contact Rubber |

Dxlnt1

For one, I am split on this. For my car (2011) I have had no issues with the tune or the car. What I have NOT been pleased with always is there customer service. BUT, reading the complaints about them I can vote to boot but from personal experience I abstain!
2011 SHO, 3 Bar, AJP Turbo-Tune, ACES IV, Boostane 170 T-stat, PPE Catted DP's, Alpine Sound system, Touch screen HVAC controls, full window tint

ridered74

A week ago I would have voted no. Today the best I can do is not vote.

I started out with LMS with my 2011 over 5 years ago. No issues in 3.5 years. Sold it and bought a 2015, like the fact that all I had to do was send them my tuner and pay for shipping back and my 2015 was now tuned for free. Ran fine for the first few weeks until I put the downpipes on, then I ran into the same issues most had. Would not shift into 2nd gear when accelerating from WOT. Just like the others, i was told nobody else was having the issue. That story has been played out many times on this forum and others, so no need to talk about the countless emails sent to them. Always me reminding them that it still didn't work, never them saying hey just wanted to make sure your tune is working. They always SAY the right thing and make you think they really want to help you.

A year later I called them to get a quote for meth, as I was kicking around the idea of going that route. Spent a good 15 minutes on the phone with the guy telling him my current setup and what my future plans were. He took my phone number and said he would get back to me with a quote. Never heard back again. Took some of the money I had set aside and bought an intercooler instead.

I'm stupidly trusting, so last week when all the back and forth was going on over at the other forum, I felt a little bad for LMS. I decided I would try their V17 tune and compare it to my current tune and give unbiased results.  Contacted them weds or thursday and told the I would like the updated V17 tune. Contacted them again Monday just giving them a gentle reminder since I was told I would have the tune the previous week, he ended up calling me and telling me that they were building my tune and that my E30 tune was probably the best one that they had.

So when I wake up tomorrow it will be Thursday and despite promises to deliver it's just the same story. I've dealt with multiple different people there and the outcome always seems to be the same.

I'm contemplating catless downpipes and even tho they are 100 dollars cheaper than the other vendor I was contemplating, I will spend the extra money and buy them elsewhere if I do go that route.  At some point you just stop listening to words and judge people off their actions alone. Talk is easy. Anyone can tell you what you want to hear.
Gearhead E30 tune, Gearhead intercooler, LMS firestorm hpfp, catted downpipes, corsa catback, 160 degree thermostat, 3 bar map, upgraded AD trans mounts, MSD coils, Nitto 555R drag tires on front, AR924 wheels and BFG sport comp 2 summer tires on rear, and an EPP intake.

12.2479 @ 118.05 fastest trap
11.591 @ 114.89   fastest ET

SM105K

Ridered...how can you not vote? It seems like time and time again they continue  to let you down? Would you want another potential customer to get the runaround as well?
"M" 2013 SHO PP | AJPTurbo E30 Tune | FS HPFP | Stock IC with Ice Water DIY Sprayer | PPE Downpipes | Custom Magnaflow Resonator | 3rd Cat Delete | Derale Upgraded Trans Cooler | Dicunzolo Gen2 Trans Mounts| EPP Noisemaker Eliminator | MSD Coil Over Plugs | SP-542's | UPR Dual Valve Catch Can | K&N Drop In | Power Stop Slotted and Drilled Rotors with Stock PP Pads | H&R Springs  | AVS Flush Deflector | 802SHO Custom Splitter | Duraflex Chin Spoiler | Curva Concept C7's | Continental DWS06 Extreme Contact Rubber | 411 HP and 546 TQ |

"The Fukus" 2013 Focus ST | Boomba BOV | FSWerks Short Shifter | Power Stop Brakes | Continental DWS06 Extreme Contact Rubber |

ridered74

Quote from: SM105K on April 30, 2020, 02:25:38 AM
Ridered...how can you not vote? It seems like time and time again they continue  to let you down? Would you want another potential customer to get the runaround as well?

I'm real big on not burning bridges whether it be personally or professionally. I like to give the benefit of the doubt whenever possible and I think there are certainly worse tuners out there than livernois. Maybe if I had never received a working tune from them I would have a different opinion, but I got 3 good years out of their tune.
Gearhead E30 tune, Gearhead intercooler, LMS firestorm hpfp, catted downpipes, corsa catback, 160 degree thermostat, 3 bar map, upgraded AD trans mounts, MSD coils, Nitto 555R drag tires on front, AR924 wheels and BFG sport comp 2 summer tires on rear, and an EPP intake.

12.2479 @ 118.05 fastest trap
11.591 @ 114.89   fastest ET

Jordan

So what my opinion is worth from a non-customer this is what I've always associated LMS as when it came to their services from other people's experiences.. This is what I think matters:

1) Lack of communication
2) Lack of results
3) Lack of customer service when it came to issues
4) Lack of caring when it came to organization of where they posted (BPD mentioned and very good point)
5) Shotty work ethic when customer brings car to them

What doesn't matter to my opinions above, but still want to say:
1) Overpriced and underperforms
2) Screwed over more than 1 of their built motor buyers
3) Hardware unusable by anybody but them

There is plenty more to it, but honestly I don't think LMS has brought anything good to the community in a long time. Absolutely not since I joined in 2017. I really wish with all the opportunities to come "clean" and communicate they would had changed their ways, but it seems time and time again there is always another person upset with their business. So, for what it's worth, I don't think they need to be a part of a community where they have nothing beneficial to offer, but this is my opinion based solely on other people's issues with LMS.
World's Fastest SHO Ecoboost July 2019 - Current

2020 Power Numbers - 536AWHP/647Torque

SM105K

Quote from: ridered74 on April 30, 2020, 08:36:07 AM
Quote from: SM105K on April 30, 2020, 02:25:38 AM
Ridered...how can you not vote? It seems like time and time again they continue  to let you down? Would you want another potential customer to get the runaround as well?

I'm real big on not burning bridges whether it be personally or professionally. I like to give the benefit of the doubt whenever possible and I think there are certainly worse tuners out there than livernois. Maybe if I had never received a working tune from them I would have a different opinion, but I got 3 good years out of their tune.

I understand that.  The problem that I have is their marketing is so good, it literally dupes people into believing they are a great company.  Time and time again they have proven to be the opposite. If people don't speak out about their experience (either good or bad) we are doing a dis-service to others.  Seems LMS of the past, is not LMS of today and people should know.

That being said, I don't like burning bridges either, however sometimes you have to burn a bridge down so bad...it creates the light to see a new path.   
"M" 2013 SHO PP | AJPTurbo E30 Tune | FS HPFP | Stock IC with Ice Water DIY Sprayer | PPE Downpipes | Custom Magnaflow Resonator | 3rd Cat Delete | Derale Upgraded Trans Cooler | Dicunzolo Gen2 Trans Mounts| EPP Noisemaker Eliminator | MSD Coil Over Plugs | SP-542's | UPR Dual Valve Catch Can | K&N Drop In | Power Stop Slotted and Drilled Rotors with Stock PP Pads | H&R Springs  | AVS Flush Deflector | 802SHO Custom Splitter | Duraflex Chin Spoiler | Curva Concept C7's | Continental DWS06 Extreme Contact Rubber | 411 HP and 546 TQ |

"The Fukus" 2013 Focus ST | Boomba BOV | FSWerks Short Shifter | Power Stop Brakes | Continental DWS06 Extreme Contact Rubber |

bpd1151

Well articulated.

How they entered the platform 10 years ago, is a far cry from what they've delved into.

As a smaller, niche market type of platform, it is important to highlight those vendors that are, and have proven beneficial to the platform, and conversely, disparage those that are detrimental.

Those that know, know better, and do steer clear. Newer owners however may not be aware of all of the unscrupulous practices and repeated problems that occur, bringing the platform down, resulting in poor experiences and discouraging further investment and lasting bonds/ownership.

That said, not everyone is saveable. If newbies choose to use them and fall prey to the marketing/media hype, then so be it.

However, "older" (term used loosely) owners absolutely have a responsibility to educate and inform as needed. There should be no benefit of inclusion in the community as a result.

I correlate it with the banned Sierra Sierra India vendor/followers.

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802SHO

I don't think voting is burning a bridge, not that it should matter anyway.  LMS won't hesitate to burn a bridge with even their most dedicated and loyal customers, the ones have have taken it a notch above with both their vehicles and their wallets.  I balk at the idea "voting" is anywhere near the levels that they have shown to stoop to....lowest of lows.  So let's nip that little notion in the butt.

Although if that's how you feel...try not to.  Seriously.

My vote is in.  And my 2010 operated ok in terms of not breaking....yeah the transmission felt like it would fall out in the 1,2 shift but I also thought that "must be" normal.  I really didn't like learning...later on...that I purchased what I to believe upgraded spark plugs only to find out I bent over backwards for stock sp534 plugs.  I was actually taken back that they said Motorcraft on them as well.  It really seemed like they must have developed their own spark plugs.  My Alky meth kit said Alky Control on it...I was looking forward to Livernois on the pump sleeve....so being naive, I quickly began to realize they didn't develop Jack $hit.  All of this to become faster/better overall performance.  I wanted to be like BPD's car.  My dream was a Livernois built motor.  Then I screwed up...I made a huge mistake.  I installed a boost guage.  Wow!  10 psi?  Really boys!  My other dream, to be a their facility getting a custom dyno tune!  Man I'll have to make a special trip to Michigan from VT to get "dialed" in.  Oh wait...then I watched a video of a Ford Engineer talking about the 3.5l Ecoboost engine and how 12psi was stock boost.  Wait...so I'm doing all this and I'm at less than stock boost?  That's not my goal.  If I wanted my car stock I would leave it stock period.  They tell me must be your car...check x, y and z.  Check x, y and z.  Something must be wrong with "you" bc our tunes see 13,14 psi.  Check everything again.  It's correct.  Drive to Michigan, get on the dyno, pay for hotels....all for what?  For $550 I had an SCT X4 and custom tuning via datalogging from AJP Turbo.  RIP LMS!
IG @802SHO 2010 SHO non PP, Tuned by AJP Turbo, 109 Octane + VP C85 for E30, Ported GH Gen 3 upgraded turbos, Ported 13+ Exhaust Manifolds, Custom FM IC TreadStone TR10C, EPP Hot Pipes, EPP Dual CAI, XDI35 HPFP, Deatschwerks 300C LPFP, Alky Control Methonal Injection, Alky dual nozzle upgrade, Zex Nitrous dual dry shots, Dicunzolo Gen2 torque mounts, MSD Coils, SP542 .026, 160 T, 3bar, Phenolic Spacer, Braille Lightweight Battery, Kirky Lightweight Racing Driver Seat, Catless Downpipes, custom stainless 2.5" double xpipe w/muffler deletes 4" quad tips, UPR Dual Valve Catch Can, 13+ PP Trans Cooler, Econoaid throttle Body Booster, Bravado Tribute 20x9.5 + 32 offset Wheels, Nitto NT555R Front Tires, Continental Extreme Contact DW Rear Tires and all are 275/35/20, H&R Springs all around w/rear cut 1/2", 1" hubcentric wheel spacers m14 1.5 stud/lug conversion, R1 Concepts Geomet slotted/drilled rotors with Heavy Duty Semi Metallic pads, Aeroforce Interceptor Gauge.
Currently World's Fastest Ecoboost SHO
11.063 @ 123.17 MPH!  NED 10/10/20

nickstewartroc

I'll add my 2 cents as well. Back when I had my SHO 5-6 years ago, I went with LMS. I didn't want to have to deal with datalogging, just wanted a plug n play kind of thing. I can't remember exactly what revision I had been on but it got to the point where the transmission was shifting terribly in 1-2, I thought I was to the point of the transmission was about to go and ended up trading it in (not just because of the transmission issue, but that played a big factor in my decision) knowing now that it was more than likely the tune is frustrating. I talked with them over the harshness and was basically told that was just how it was. (I also had downpipes, which makes even more sense now...)
Glad I did NOT go with them when I bought my Flex
Current:
2013 Ruby Red Flex Limited EcoBoost, Unleashed Tuned, drop in filter

Gone but not forgotten: 2011 SHO Non-PP in Black Tuxedo Metallic - Catback, DPs, Stoptech Z23s, MDesign CAI, LMS Tune

BlueSHO

Where's the voting poll or is it just saying yay or nay here?

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